• Mike Tresor

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 5:57 pm**

Seems like the Athletic have confirmed that he will be signing permanently. They've published an interesting article after full time looking at reasons for the relegation, including cliques in the squad which sounds worrying.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 5:58 pm**

You're certainly a worrier, I'll give you that.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 5:59 pm**

We might have to sign him but I would be very surprised if he’s playing for Burnley next season

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:00 pm**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 5:57 pm
Seems like the Athletic have confirmed that he will be signing permanently. They've published an interesting article after full time looking at reasons for the relegation, including cliques in the squad which sounds worrying.

This is the first you’re hearing of it? This information has been out for a while now.

Likely to get worse, before it gets better.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:00 pm**

Quite right too after the incredible impact he's had for us this season.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:02 pm**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 5:57 pm
Seems like the Athletic have confirmed that he will be signing permanently. They've published an interesting article after full time looking at reasons for the relegation, including cliques in the squad which sounds worrying.

for those who have not seen it - Andy Jones in The Athletic

Why Burnley were relegated: Kompany’s power, squad cliques, ‘video game’ transfers
https://archive.ph/2qieC

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:04 pm**

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 5:59 pm
We might have to sign him but I would be very surprised if he’s playing for Burnley next season

Yeah, I’ve thought this too. He’ll be back to Belgium for an undisclosed fee.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:06 pm**

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:00 pm
This is the first you’re hearing of it? This information has been out for a while now.

Likely to get worse, before it gets better.

It seemed common knowledge earlier in the season but there's been rumours that we'd managed to get out of it hence his complete lack of game time. This just puts that to bed if correct.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:09 pm**

zippybid wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 5:58 pm
You're certainly a worrier, I'll give you that.

You have settled onto the forum rather quickly
Welcome back....?
Fill in the blank for who it could be.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:16 pm**

Squad cliques? A very normal thing in any dressing room

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:19 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:16 pm
Squad cliques? A very normal thing in any dressing room

Depends, it can be pretty divisive. Especially if they are speaking different languages.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:20 pm**

He must hold some record for the least amount of touches of a football when he’s ever been on the pitch for us.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:21 pm**

Doesn’t seem to be a lot of substance there. Referenced the team meal thing but we know none of the circumstances. Review overall seems fair though.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:24 pm**

Hope he stays and finds the form from Genk last season. We’d have one of the best players in the league if so.

Can’t see him fancying the Championship though and will probably get a move based on last season.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:25 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:24 pm
Hope he stays and finds the form from Genk last season. We’d have one of the best players in the league if so.

Can’t see him fancying the Championship though and will probably get a move based on last season.

Well he didn’t look like he really fancied the Premier League!!!!

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:26 pm**

Lumbered with Might Mike Tresor

Great!

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:33 pm**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:06 pm
It seemed common knowledge earlier in the season but there's been rumours that we'd managed to get out of it hence his complete lack of game time. This just puts that to bed if correct.

What about the other members of the squad who’ve been up happy with Kompany and his ‘favs’?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:43 pm**

There is a large team of highly paid people at the club, including Kompany, who must take a close look at themselves. Your everyday fan could see problems before a ball was kicked.

That “Preparations were under way from January 2023, with detailed analysis being completed on every top-flight club to quicken the adaptation process” only adds fuel to the fire. What the hell were they thinking…….

“Style is non-negotiable,”

“We knew it was going to be difficult,” he said. “But not this difficult.”

“But, internally, staff were pleased with the window when it closed.“

If we’d used January 2023 onwards wisely, we could and probably should have stayed up this season.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:46 pm**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:19 pm
Depends, it can be pretty divisive. Especially if they are speaking different languages.

And you've just explained the most likely reason for what Andy Jones calls a "clique"

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:48 pm**

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:25 pm
Well he didn’t look like he really fancied the Premier League!!!!

Indicated very early on when he missed his flight to come over and join us.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:51 pm**

Signing Tresor would not be the best start in preparation for the Championship. Hopefully no substance in this.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:51 pm**

He gave the ball away today EVERY time it was passed to him.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 6:51 pm**

If Tresor does stay then it’s a clean slate, because as much has his sporadic appearances have been underwhelming, there is clearly a player in there and if he buys into a season in the champ then we back him

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:09 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:43 pm
There is a large team of highly paid people at the club, including Kompany, who must take a close look at themselves. Your everyday fan could see problems before a ball was kicked.

That “Preparations were under way from January 2023, with detailed analysis being completed on every top-flight club to quicken the adaptation process” only adds fuel to the fire. What the hell were they thinking…….

“Style is non-negotiable,”

“We knew it was going to be difficult,” he said. “But not this difficult.”

“But, internally, staff were pleased with the window when it closed.“

If we’d used January 2023 onwards wisely, we could and probably should have stayed up this season.

This is exactly it for me.
Yes we had a 2yr plan to go up, so it’s safe to assume that had we not been promoted last season, we’d have continued with the players that were brought in during 22/23 with a couple of additions, and then they’d have had 2yrs experience in English football.

To me, the promotion ahead of schedule meant that we thought “these lads aren’t ready” and have tried to buy a new squad of league ready players.

When all the players return, we have a huge squad that will need to be reduced somehow, as well as bringing in the types of players that we’ve been needing for the last 3 windows

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:16 pm**

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:51 pm
If Tresor does stay then it’s a clean slate, because as much has his sporadic appearances have been underwhelming, there is clearly a player in there and if he buys into a season in the champ then we back him

‘Clearly a player in there’. Not from what we’ve seen so far.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:18 pm**

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 7:16 pm
‘Clearly a player in there’. Not from what we’ve seen so far.

Even from his poor performances you can see there is a player there, whether he’s suited to us is another matter. You don’t play for Belgium and win Belgium league best player without being decent

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:19 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:46 pm
And you've just explained the most likely reason for what Andy Jones calls a "clique"

To be honest I'd be disappointed if Kompanys allowing them all to speak different languages at the training ground
I think it's reasonable to expect them to be communicating in English (unless they can't speak the language yet).

I presume someone will attempt to take offence at this comment so just to clarify I am in no way xenophobic.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:20 pm**

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 7:18 pm
Even from his poor performances you can see there is a player there, whether he’s suited to us is another matter. You don’t play for Belgium and win Belgium league best player without being decent

Agreed, I doubt he will ever have the intensity required to play in the Premier league. But technically he doesn't look out of his depth.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:22 pm**

The obscene size of the squad was always going to lead to things like this, always said players should be either
A playing
B subbing
C injured
D suspended
anyone not in those groups and are just kicking their heels on a matchday especially if it`s regular will become disenchanted and disruptive, bad apples I think is the term

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:22 pm**

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 7:18 pm
Even from his poor performances you can see there is a player there, whether he’s suited to us is another matter. You don’t play for Belgium and win Belgium league best player without being decent

What’s he done for us to suggest there’s a player in there? Literally cannot think of one positive he’s offered us during his minutes on the pitch. I’m sure he might be a very technically gifted player but you need more than that especially in a relegation battle.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:25 pm**

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 7:22 pm
What’s he done for us to suggest there’s a player in there? Literally cannot think of one positive he’s offered us during his minutes on the pitch. I’m sure he might be a very technically gifted player but you need more than that especially in a relegation battle.

The game he started at home to Chelsea I thought he was pretty good first half, I also went to the Everton league cup game and thought he was decent there. Then second half Fulham away again I thought he played well. Don’t get me wrong that’s not enough for someone who’s supposed to be costing 15m and to me he wasn’t a signing we needed, we already had enough left wingers we needed tella of a similar player on the right.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 7:25 pm**

Wouldn't be bothered if I never saw him play for us again.

A poor signing

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:14 pm**

One who is impossible to tell what he would have been like, played too few games in his preferred position. Baffling why he was signed on that basis. A bit older than the other French speakers and doesn’t look fully settled. One I expect to go and would also expect him to have a Wout loan clause (hope not).

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:21 pm**

Tresor has become the poster boy for everything we got wrong last summer.

Is he a talent? Yes undoubtedly. He has a touch and an appreciation of space that in his early appearances promised something.

But like far too much of the squad he struggled with the intensity and physicality of the Premier League. It was always aaking far too much for so many to establish themselves all at once.

And in any event, he's never going to be the hardest worker or the most dynamic presser. Even if he were if the calibre, its impossible to see him in Klopp's Liverpool team for example, because he doesn't have the bit of aggression Klopp demands.

And that goes for Amdouni, JBL and others too. We've gone from a front line which included Tella, who pressed as well as any winger I've watched and had a fabulous work ethic, and Barnes - who we all know about - and sometimes Brownhill in the ten role - to a team that lacks intensity in the press. At the same time that our press had become even more important because we have less of the ball and are against better players.

That is the most fundamental thing we'll have to get right next season. It was the first thing Kompany got right last season, ironically- but the likes of Barnes, Brownhill, Cork, Maatsen and Tella really helped establish it (both as leaders and athletes) and it may be none of them are here next season.

Replacing that demanding character, athleticism and intensity is the big challenge this summer. Even after the inevitable sales there will be no shortage of ball playing talent in the squad and it should start pre season as promotion favourites.

But I dount Tresor will be here to be part of it. If he is now our player, I suspect he'll be moved on sharpish and written off as a mistake to be moved on from.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:23 pm**

I'd sooner have Wout

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:24 pm**

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 8:21 pm
Tresor has become the poster boy for everything we got wrong last summer.

Is he a talent? Yes undoubtedly. He has a touch and an appreciation of space that in his early appearances promised something.

But like far too much of the squad he struggled with the intensity and physicality of the Premier League. It was always aaking far too much for so many to establish themselves all at once.

And in any event, he's never going to be the hardest worker or the most dynamic presser. Even if he were if the calibre, its impossible to see him in Klopp's Liverpool team for example, because he doesn't have the bit of aggression Klopp demands.

And that goes for Amdouni, JBL and others too. We've gone from a front line which included Tella, who pressed as well as any winger I've watched and had a fabulous work ethic, and Barnes - who we all know about - and sometimes Brownhill in the ten role - to a team that lacks intensity in the press. At the same time that our press had become even more important because we have less of the ball and are against better players.

That is the most fundamental thing we'll have to get right next season. It was the first thing Kompany got right last season, ironically- but the likes of Barnes, Brownhill, Cork, Maatsen and Tella really helped establish it (both as leaders and athletes) and it may be none of them are here next season.

Replacing that demanding character, athleticism and intensity is the big challenge this summer. Even after the inevitable sales there will be no shortage of ball playing talent in the squad and it should start pre season as promotion favourites.

But I dount Tresor will be here to be part of it. If he is now our player, I suspect he'll be moved on sharpish and written off as a mistake to be moved on from.

Good post. And your last paragraph sums him up really. A mistake……..and a very expensive one.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:24 pm**

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 8:21 pm
Tresor has become the poster boy for everything we got wrong last summer.

Is he a talent? Yes undoubtedly. He has a touch and an appreciation of space that in his early appearances promised something.

But like far too much of the squad he struggled with the intensity and physicality of the Premier League. It was always aaking far too much for so many to establish themselves all at once.

And in any event, he's never going to be the hardest worker or the most dynamic presser. Even if he were if the calibre, its impossible to see him in Klopp's Liverpool team for example, because he doesn't have the bit of aggression Klopp demands.

And that goes for Amdouni, JBL and others too. We've gone from a front line which included Tella, who pressed as well as any winger I've watched and had a fabulous work ethic, and Barnes - who we all know about - and sometimes Brownhill in the ten role - to a team that lacks intensity in the press. At the same time that our press had become even more important because we have less of the ball and are against better players.

That is the most fundamental thing we'll have to get right next season. It was the first thing Kompany got right last season, ironically- but the likes of Barnes, Brownhill, Cork, Maatsen and Tella really helped establish it (both as leaders and athletes) and it may be none of them are here next season.

Replacing that demanding character, athleticism and intensity is the big challenge this summer. Even after the inevitable sales there will be no shortage of ball playing talent in the squad and it should start pre season as promotion favourites.

But I dount Tresor will be here to be part of it. If he is now our player, I suspect he'll be moved on sharpish and written off as a mistake to be moved on from.

I don't think the squad we'll have left will be able to fight their way out of the championship and unless we can offload all the excess baggage and can't see funds being available to bring in the experience required and don't think VK will even go down that route if they were.
Next season will be a struggle

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:33 pm**

bumba wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 8:24 pm
I don't think the squad we'll have left will be able to fight their way out of the championship and unless we can offload all the excess baggage and can't see funds being available to bring in the experience required and don't think VK will even go down that route if they were.
Next season will be a struggle

I am more optimistic than that. I think there'll be plenty of talent likely left after the sales are done and with a couple of shrewd acquisitions of wise heads and a bit more athleticism on loan, I think we'll be more than good enough to start as favourites. Our possession style tends to emphasise our superiority over opponents in the Championship. The problem this season- apart from our press being less effective- is that against better players, it emphasises that inferiority too.

We'll also have the advantage of the players we retain knowing each other and the set up. For the first time under Kompany it ought to be evolution not revolution. We've seen improvements in the spring because the players have grown up and together as a team. Hopefully we won't be mad enough to try and start from scratch again.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:34 pm**

I strangely feel sorry for the guy. You need a few games momentum to get going. He’s never really had it. He can’t be that bad if he won Belgium player of the year. Maybe he’s just not settled

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:40 pm**

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 8:34 pm
I strangely feel sorry for the guy. You need a few games momentum to get going. He’s never really had it. He can’t be that bad if he won Belgium player of the year. Maybe he’s just not settled

He didn’t start a game in his natural left wing position until Liverpool at home on Boxing Day

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:42 pm**

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 8:40 pm
He didn’t start a game in his natural left wing position until Liverpool at home on Boxing Day

He was very good for the first half hour of that.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 8:53 pm**

Tresor's problem is that he simply cares too much.

I've heard that he trains with such a furious level of intensity that when it comes to the match day he is simply so exhausted he can barely muster a sprint.

I remain 100% convinced that he will soon join the pantheon of Claret greats alongside McIlroy, Pointer, Adamson etc

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 9:01 pm**

According to that article we have Wesley Fofana on our books amazed he couldn't get a game!

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 10:07 pm**

He just hasn't adapted to having much less time on the ball. He's looked good when given a few seconds but that's not something you get often in the English game and particularly the premier league. I don't know what the future for him should be. We won't recoup anywhere near his value and I doubt any domestic teams are interested in a loan. A season in the championship with us might help him eventually adapt. Right now his purchase has to go down as a massive miss and that's a shame.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 10:09 pm**

claretabroad wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 10:07 pm
He just hasn't adapted to having much less time on the ball. He's looked good when given a few seconds but that's not something you get often in the English game and particularly the premier league. I don't know what the future for him should be. We won't recoup anywhere near his value and I doubt any domestic teams are interested in a loan. A season in the championship with us might help him eventually adapt. Right now his purchase has to go down as a massive miss and that's a shame.

File in the drawer with the other dozen or so massive misses.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 11:15 pm**

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 6:02 pm
for those who have not seen it - Andy Jones in The Athletic

Why Burnley were relegated: Kompany’s power, squad cliques, ‘video game’ transfers
https://archive.ph/2qieC

That report is a load of pap.

Surprised you've linked it on here to be honest CP.

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 11:23 pm**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 5:57 pm
Seems like the Athletic have confirmed that he will be signing permanently. They've published an interesting article after full time looking at reasons for the relegation, including cliques in the squad which sounds worrying.

And they’d know…

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 11:25 pm**

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Sat May 11, 2024 8:53 pm
Tresor's problem is that he simply cares too much.

I've heard that he trains with such a furious level of intensity that when it comes to the match day he is simply so exhausted he can barely muster a sprint.

I remain 100% convinced that he will soon join the pantheon of Claret greats alongside McIlroy, Pointer, Adamson etc

Always a good idea on here to include one or two emojis, just to let people know exactly what you mean.

🫣

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2024 11:44 pm**

Think Tressor’s initiation of ten benny bombs in a row has taken its toll.

Posted: **Sun May 12, 2024 8:23 am**

I have developed a major dislike of Tresor …perhaps the greatest for any Burnley player since Nick Pickering. I think it was his cameo in that crucial last few minutes at home to Luton that broke the camel’s back. Don’t see anything in him at all and if we have signed him I hope we can find someone in Belgium keen to take him off our hands.
Obviously I’ll be happy to see this bumped when he’s scored a hat-trick at Ewood en route to next season’s Championship title.

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