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Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 12:56 pm
by gandhisflipflop
We all have our opinions of who will leave and who should go but who do you hope to see start for Burnley in the first game? For me -
Muric
Sambo (or new) beyer esteve NEW
Berge Cullen NEW
Koleosho. Benson
NEW
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 12:58 pm
by jdrobbo
It’ll 100% be Trafford in goal, unless we sell him or Liam him out.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 12:58 pm
by Neil
You don't like O'Shea?
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 12:59 pm
by jdrobbo
Trafford
Vitinho
O’Shea
Esteve
NEW
Zaroury
Massengo
Cullen
Koleosho
Obafemi
Foster
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:04 pm
by Sproggy
Think Beyer will go, rumours of interest from Germany.
Other saleable but replacebale assets - Odobert, Amdouni, Trafford, Tresor(?), Al Dakhil
Muric
Sambo O'Shea Esteve NEW
JBL Berge Cullen Koleosho
Foster NEW
Subs: Brownhill, Vitinho, JBG, EkDahl, Ramsey, Vitinho, Vigouroux, Massengo, Delcroix
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:11 pm
by alwaysaclaret
Sproggy wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:04 pm
Think Beyer will go, rumours of interest from Germany.
Other saleable but replacebale assets - Odobert, Amdouni, Trafford, Tresor(?), Al Dakhil
Muric
Sambo O'Shea Esteve NEW
JBL Berge Cullen Koleosho
Foster NEW
Subs: Brownhill, Vitinho, JBG, EkDahl, Ramsey, Vitinho, Vigouroux, Massengo, Delcroix
Trafford and Ramsey will deffo be in the starting line up imo, and maybe tresor, all player's that vk is adamant on bringing into the team going forward imo.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:21 pm
by Commy
Ramsey was excellent in the Championship for Middlesbrough.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:23 pm
by alwaysaclaret
Commy wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:21 pm
Ramsey was excellent in the Championship for Middlesbrough.
Maybe, but certainly hasn't cut it in the Premier league.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:25 pm
by Sproggy
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:11 pm
Trafford and Ramsey will deffo be in the starting line up imo, and maybe tresor, all player's that vk is adamant on bringing into the team going forward imo.
Yep fair enough. Ramsey for JBL and Trafford for Muric. I think that would mean selling Muric and potentially not taking the option on JBL.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:25 pm
by Commy
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:23 pm
Maybe, but certainly hasn't cut it in the Premier league.
We aren't in the Premier League next season.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:25 pm
by RVclaret
Lots of guessing here obviously but
Trafford
Sambo
O’Shea
Esteve
New
Cullen
Berge
Brownhill
Koleosho
Tresor
Foster
Forgotten man Nathan Redmond may have a big part to play next season too.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:26 pm
by bumba
Muric
Vitinho O'Shea Esteve new
Berge Cullen Massengo
Bruun Larsson Foster Koleosho
2nd string
Trafford
Sambo Al Dakhil Delcroix Dodgson
Ramsey Brownhill JBG
Redmond Obafemi Tresor
Sell Weghorst, Costelloe, Odobert, Ekdal, Benson, Zaroury, Churlinov, Bastien, Beyer, McNally, Twine, Amdouni
Release Jay Rod, Taylor, Cork
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:28 pm
by ClaretPete001
jdrobbo wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:59 pm
Muric (*)
Vitinho
O’Shea
Bayer (*)
NEW
Zaroury
Massengo
Cullen
Koleosho
Obafemi
Foster
I think Berge, Brownhill, Esteve, Odobert and JBL are unlikely to be here next season. So, I'd go with the above without Esteve.
Clearly, decent but whether promotion winning material I'm not sure, particularly, if you lost Cullen or Foster.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:29 pm
by RVclaret
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:28 pm
I think Berge, Esteve and JBL both unlikely to be here next season. So, I'd go with the above without Esteve.
Clearly, decent but whether promotion winning material I'm not sure, particularly, if you lost Cullen or Foster.
What makes you think Esteve won’t be here?
The COO specifically said Esteve signed on the basis of being here next season regardless of division.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:32 pm
by ClaretPete001
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:29 pm
What makes you think Esteve won’t be here?
The COO specifically said Esteve signed on the basis of being here next season regardless of division.
Over £200 million worth of creditors. £50 million loss of parachute money and forwarded parachute monies spent.
I also think he has shown himself to be good enough in the PL and will want a move away.
Why would someone of his ability want to play in the Championship?
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:37 pm
by Neil
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:32 pm
Over £200 million worth of creditors. £50 million loss of parachute money and forwarded parachute monies spent.
I also think he has shown himself to be good enough in the PL and will want a move away.
Why would someone of his ability want to play in the Championship?
Personally I think he'll stay.
It will have been discussed at some length when he signed and it was always likely in January that we'd be in the Championship next season.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:39 pm
by zippybid
Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:37 pm
Personally I think he'll stay.
It will have been discussed at some length when he signed and it was always likely in January that we'd be in the Championship next season.
I think he'll stay as well.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:40 pm
by ClaretPete001
Or possibly more of a 4-51 given Messengo is quite young with Ramsey playing a little forward of the other 4 when required, which is where he seems to have done much of his good work this season from what I have seen.
I think I'll probably change my mind on this throughout the summer. Not a lot of experience there...
Muric (*)
Vitinho
O’Shea
Bayer (*)
NEW
Zaroury
Massengo
Cullen
Koleosho
Ramsey
Foster
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:45 pm
by ClaretPete001
Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:37 pm
Personally I think he'll stay.
It will have been discussed at some length when he signed and it was always likely in January that we'd be in the Championship next season.
He's good enough to play in any top league in Europe and he's also likely facing a 50 per cent pay cut.
I think his agent will likely be on the phone as we speak... or type.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:46 pm
by claretspice
Something like:
Trafford or Muric (one sold)
Vitinho
O’Shea
Esteve /Beyer (one sold)
AN Other
Cullen
Ramsey
Amdouni
Koleosho
Zaroury
Foster
I'd be amazed if Berge or Brownhill is here. Berge is our great hope for a profitable sale and we will need a couple, and this is our last chance to sell Brownhill for cash so unless he signs a new contract and we keep him as someone to build a stable core around, he's off.
Amdouni may well go but there's talent there and I think he's the someone who may well enhance his reputation with a strong season in the Championship. You can say the same for Tresor but I can't see us keeping both.
Something to work with there. Add some canny experience and presence in midfield (someone like Joe Rothwell from Bournemouth, ex Rovers who is out of favour or Sam Field from QPR who is on a free and we've looked at before), a physical centre forward and a left back and that looks OK to me.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:47 pm
by Neil
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:45 pm
He's good enough to play in any top league in Europe and he's also likely facing a 50 per cent pay cut.
I think his agent will likely be on the phone as we speak... or type.
Quite possibly, just my gut feeling.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:49 pm
by SalouClaret
I highly doubt Zaroury and Benson will be here next season. Why would they want to help get us promoted just be pushed out of the team again? They'll both be out the door. Can see Muric leaving too but hopefully not.
Best scenario IMO would be:
Muric
NEW RB
O'shea
Esteve
NEW LB
Berge
Cullen
Koleosho
Odobert
Brownhill
Foster
Keeping hold of Berge would be massive but I think he'll be back in the Premier League. Amdouni will be off, which I'm not too bothered about.
Koleosho and Odobert in the Championship would be very very difficult to defend against.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:49 pm
by Quickenthetempo
Muric
Roberts
O shea
Esteve
New left back
JGB
Berge
Cullen
Koleosho
Amdouni
Foster
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm
by ArmchairDetective
Muric
Assignon O'Shea Esteve NEW
Cullen Berge
Odobert Amdouni Koleosho
Foster
Trafford Beyer Massengo Vitinho/Sambo Benson Zaroury NEW ST
That team should have no trouble in the Championship. I want to see us start next season with a team that more or less ended this one. Take some time to bed in any new players this time.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm
by Neil
claretspice wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:46 pm
Something like:
Trafford or Muric (one sold)
Vitinho
O’Shea
Esteve /Beyer (one sold)
AN Other
Cullen
Ramsey
Amdouni
Koleosho
Zaroury
Foster
I'd be amazed if Berge or Brownhill is here. Berge is our great hope for a profitable sale and we will need a couple, and this is our last chance to sell Brownhill for cash so unless he signs a new contract and we keep him as someone to build a stable core around, he's off.
Amdouni may well go but there's talent there and I think he's the someone who may well enhance his reputation with a strong season in the Championship. You can say the same for Tresor but I can't see us keeping both.
Something to work with there. Add some canny experience and presence in midfield (someone like Joe Rothwell from Bournemouth, ex Rovers who is out of favour or Sam Field from QPR who is on a free and we've looked at before), a physical centre forward and a left back and that looks OK to me.
I was thinking about Berge this morning and I think he'll stay, as he did with Sheff Utd when they went down a few years ago.
Was trying to think who would be interested in him (from the PL) and I'm not sure who would take him.
Would be a big bonus if we kept him.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 1:57 pm
by willsclarets
Beyer struggled with everyone else when he was fit, but there's a top player in there. He was unbelievable in the championship last time around, possibly the best I've seen for us at that level. The way he took players out of the game running into CM created a lot of opportunities for us. I hope he stays
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 2:01 pm
by claretspice
Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm
I was thinking about Berge this morning and I think he'll stay, as he did with Sheff Utd when they went down a few years ago.
Was trying to think who would be interested in him (from the PL) and I'm not sure who would take him.
Would be a big bonus if we kept him.
I'd be astonished. I think there will likely be takers from here and abroad and if we don't sell him then we probably need to sell at least two others to raise the same cash.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 2:08 pm
by Neil
claretspice wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:01 pm
I'd be astonished. I think there will likely be takers from here and abroad and if we don't sell him then we probably need to sell at least two others to raise the same cash.
He's been in the English game a few years now and doesn't seem to have had many suitors so I wouldn't be too surprised if he was retained.
He's just hitting his prime now and would be massive for us next season.
I'd be more than happy to sell two, even three others (depending on who they were) to keep him as I believe that he'd more than pay for himself.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 2:09 pm
by ClaretPete001
claretspice wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 2:01 pm
I'd be astonished. I think there will likely be takers from here and abroad and if we don't sell him then we probably need to sell at least two others to raise the same cash.
I don't know how much cash we would raise because I doubt we bought him up front....!
But agree he has been consistently as good as anything on the pitch this season outside the top 6.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 2:11 pm
by CoolClaret
If we lineup with this as our spine:
---------Muric
-----O'Shea-Esteve
-----Cullen-Berge
+ hopefully Koleosho makes a return to full fitness, hopefully keep hold of Odobert and I'd like to see JBL sign permanently.
The rest not too fussed about either way.
Vitinho of course as our modern day DiBranchio (goes without saying).
Bring it on, #UTC.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 5:05 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Best case team for next season
Muric
Vitinho
O’Shea
Esteve
New left back
Cullen
Berge
Benson
Odobert/JBL
Koleosho
Foster
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 5:11 pm
by zippybid
ArmchairDetective wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm
Muric
Assignon O'Shea Esteve NEW
Cullen Berge
Odobert Amdouni Koleosho
Foster
Trafford Beyer Massengo Vitinho/Sambo Benson Zaroury NEW ST
That team should have no trouble in the Championship. I want to see us start next season with a team that more or less ended this one. Take some time to bed in any new players this time.
The club suggested Assignon won't be staying unless we stayed up. I think one of Odobert/Koleosho will be sold.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 5:30 pm
by Carlos the Great
Muric is essential if we are serious of getting promoted first time asking … he was in the team of the season last year so would make sense to put him in goals … i would have thought that was obvious
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 5:31 pm
by ArmchairDetective
zippybid wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 5:11 pm
The club suggested Assignon won't be staying unless we stayed up. I think one of Odobert/Koleosho will be sold.
The thread was based on who do you 'hope' to see. I hope all three stay but think you might be right. I'd really like to see how Odobert and Koleosho could do in the same team against some of these Championship sides but reckon Odobert is the more likely to leave. Someone must be ready to take a punt on him although he wasn't cheap when we signed him. Hoping Koleosho's injury might put people off coming in for him for now.
Re: Assignon. I heard the same initially, sounds like there's no agreement in place to sign him if we're relegated, unlike Esteve. But no reason we can't try to sign him without a prior agreement if he's willing to stick around.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 6:10 pm
by KRBFC
Trafford
Vitinho O’Shea Esteve NEW
Cullen Berge
Koleosho Amdouni Odobert
NEW (Morgan Whittaker?) or Weghorst
Sell
Muric- never going to be good enough for the PL, makes a great save then throws it to the feet of the attacker. Pointless persisting with him.
Foster - useless the last time in this division, offers nothing.
Beyer - apparently wants to go and I like Dara
Brownhill - never good enough for the PL, take what we can get.
Roberts Twine Obafemi Delcroix Bastien McNally Benson can all be sold for me
Taylor Rodriguez Cork Assignon Fofana Larsen to go
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 6:15 pm
by JanetM
Dear God. It'll take me a while to recover from this season. Meanwhile enjoying a glass of wine and watching Utd losing. Not that I'm an Arsenal fan.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 6:54 pm
by LincsWoldsClaret
I’d expect something like -
Trafford
Vitinho
Al Dakhil
Delcroix
Egan -Riley
Massengo
Cullen
Redmond
Twine
Obafemi
Foster
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 6:57 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:54 pm
I’d expect something like -
Trafford
Vitinho
Al Dakhil
Delcroix
Egan -Riley
Massengo
Cullen
Redmond
Twine
Obafemi
Foster
You have to be on the wind up with that team.
You are the one with the cryptic post regarding koleosho and is family being over to agree terms but wouldn’t explain what you meant
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 7:17 pm
by LincsWoldsClaret
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:57 pm
You have to be on the wind up with that team.
You are the one with the cryptic post regarding koleosho and is family being over to agree terms but wouldn’t explain what you meant
I think that team is quite realistic - unfortunately. Expect more kids to join but we need to accept a lot will be moving on
You were the one that wanted more details on the Koleosho deal - I’d have included them if there were
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 7:24 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:17 pm
I think that team is quite realistic - unfortunately. Expect more kids to join but we need to accept a lot will be moving on
You were the one that wanted more details on the Koleosho deal - I’d have included them if there were
You had no info from someone sitting next to you other than koleosho and his family sorting a deal, bloke sitting next to you didn’t say if it was a new contract or a move to a new club
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 7:33 pm
by LincsWoldsClaret
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:24 pm
You had no info from someone sitting next to you other than koleosho and his family sorting a deal, bloke sitting next to you didn’t say if it was a new contract or a move to a new club
Regrettably he didn’t have a full copy of all the paperwork
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 7:47 pm
by zippybid
LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:17 pm
I think that team is quite realistic
For the cup games, aye.
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 7:50 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:33 pm
Regrettably he didn’t have a full copy of all the paperwork
So he didn’t tell you if it was outgoing or not, hence you being cryptic
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 7:53 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Trafford
New, Oshea, New, New
New, Cullen, Massengo, Koleosho
New, Foster
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 8:01 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:53 pm
Trafford
New, Oshea, New, New
New, Cullen, Massengo, Koleosho
New, Foster
You think we will go back to Trafford and sell muric? Not think esteve will stick around?
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 8:04 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 8:01 pm
You think we will go back to Trafford and sell muric? Not think esteve will stick around?
Is the Esteve deal 100% happening? I haven’t seen anything official and I just can’t see us spending that type of money on a CB for the championship (could be wrong).
From a business point of view it would be financial suicide not to start Trafford. If we are looking to get a remote return on our investment then he has to start in the championship. I personally think Muric will be off to turkey for 5-6m
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 8:06 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 8:04 pm
Is the Esteve deal 100% happening? I haven’t seen anything official and I just can’t see us spending that type of money on a CB for the championship (could be wrong).
From a business point of view it would be financial suicide not to start Trafford. If we are looking to get a remote return on our investment then he has to start in the championship. I personally think Muric will be off to turkey for 5-6m
Didn’t Matt Williams say that esteve would be perm regardless of league if he reaches certain amount of games
I would prefer to keep muric but either way one of them has to be sold
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 8:30 pm
by randomclaret2
The chances of anyone on this board correctly naming our starting 11 for next season's first game are somewhere between nil and zero
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 8:32 pm
by Wokingclaret
If Ramsey did his ACL we won't be seeing him until 2025
Re: Next seasons starting line up for the first game
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:14 am
by Luppy
Impossible to know who is staying and who is going. Berge only left Sheff utd because he was in final year of his contract so he may well stay. A few thinking Massengo may be good enough to step up - not sure what that's based on personally! Up top is my main concern - our current crop are a combination of unrelaibly fragile, not good enough, past their best and not ready.
Be amazed if Twine doesn't come back into the reckoning personally - seems to have been the most successful of our loaned out players at the level we will be playing
