Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season. Resolution formally submitted by Wolves to abolish system + will be on agenda at June 6 AGM. Any rule change needs 2/3s majority (14 of 20 members) to pass

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/549503 ... -var-vote/

I'll be very annoyed if we go down and then they get rid of VAR.

Premier league teams are due to vote over the summer on ending VAR.

Just been announced in the last few minutes.

Duplicate, please delete.

Just seen Aggi's post.

Bloody well hope it is!

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 5:47 pm

Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season. Resolution formally submitted by Wolves to abolish system + will be on agenda at June 6 AGM. Any rule change needs 2/3s majority (14 of 20 members) to pass

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/549503 ... -var-vote/

I'll be very annoyed if we go down and then they get rid of VAR.

Can’t see it winning 14 votes. It suits the big clubs so there’s your 6 already. Plus another. Done.

Probably realised the corruption is to obvious now and too many questions being asked

Prem corruption

Too late for us this time, but lets hope so

Agreed that it seems unlikely. They'll continue with the pretense that it just needs tweaking rather than the fundamental premise being flawed.

Good idea badly managed.
That's what happens when you give some people power, it goes to their heads.

If the vote was put to the fans it would be gone, but the clubs aren’t interested in the fan experience or entertainment factor so it’s here to stay.

If it's scrapped it'll solve things for a short period of time until it reverts back to the way it was before & people still complained about this that & the other being wrong. It's mindful to remember the very reason VAR was introduced in the first place & to cast the mind back to what it was like then. I'm opposed to VAR but the old system had it's own faults, VAR as a concept hasn't been implemented correctly.

Can they change the offside rule as well please, it does my head in.

There's been no lack of dissent about VAR from every single manager (other than Pep, I don't remember him complaining about it but I may have missed it), Arteta, Klopp, Emery etc have all gone in on it. It would be wonderful if they binned it

What does it cost clubs now?

Is it still 20k a game?

Wolves will definitely have Forest supporting them but I don’t see it getting anything close to 14 in favour of scrapping. I hope it does though, sooner it’s gone, the better.

Dont like man city but you would have never got the Agueuro moment under the current system, everyone would have been waiting to see if it was offside or not while incompetents sit in front of a low resolution monitor image deciding if they should draw lines on the picture or not pointing at it with biros.

Keep goal line tech and scrap var checking everything that happens in the game, killing the spectacle.

Season 2025/26:

'How many points have we lost this season from blatant off-sides'?

Man City (a) Haaland

Man United (h) Fernandez

Chelsea (a) Cole Palmer

Ect. recurring forever....

equinox wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 6:39 pm

Season 2025/26:

'How many points have we lost this season from blatant off-sides'?

Man City (a) Haaland

Man United (h) Fernandez

Chelsea (a) Cole Palmer

Ect. recurring forever....

I’d rather that than var

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 6:27 pm

What does it cost clubs now?

Is it still 20k a game?

points

No way the Big 6 + the Saudi Geordies will vote for scrapping it. They benefit more than most from corrupt decisions.

Surely if the PL was intentionally corrupt it would be easier with no VAR. Decisions for the big clubs could just be put down to referring error.

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 8:35 pm

Surely if the PL was intentionally corrupt it would be easier with no VAR. Decisions for the big clubs could just be put down to referring error.

Exactly, it's what ever suits your personal narrative, VAR is fine when you're playing well and winning but when you're not it's a conspiracy.

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 8:35 pm

Surely if the PL was intentionally corrupt it would be easier with no VAR. Decisions for the big clubs could just be put down to referring error.

It's not just that though is it, the nit picking over somebody's toenail being marginally over those imaginary lines immediately kills dead the elation we feel when our team has scored and then there is the dreaded wait for VAR to decide.
Although we would still moan, I'll take human error every time.
Bin VAR for me.

OFFICIAL: letter sent to the Premier League regarding scrapping VAR.

"Wolves have formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League to trigger a vote at the league's AGM in June, on the removal of VAR from the start of the 2024/25 season.

The introduction of VAR in 2019/20 was a decision made in good faith and with the best interests of football and the Premier League at its heart. However, it has led to numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football, and undermining the value of the Premier League brand, which include:

• Impact on goal celebrations and the spontaneous passion that makes football special.

• Frustration and confusion inside stadiums due to lengthy VAR checks and poor communication.

•A more hostile atmosphere with protests, booing of the Premier League anthem and chants against VAR.

• Overreach of VAR's original purpose to correct clear and obvious mistakes, now overanalysing subjective decisions and compromising the game's fluidity and integrity.

• Diminished accountability of on-field officials, due to safety net of VAR, leading to an erosion of authority on the pitch.

• Continued errors despite VAR, with supporters unable to accept human error after multiple views and replays, damaging confidence in officiating standards.

• Disruption of the Premier League's fast pace with lengthy VAR checks and more added time, causing matches to run excessively long.

• Constant discourse about VAR decisions often overshadowing the match itself, and tarnishing the reputation of the league.

• Erosion of trust and reputation, with VAR fuelling completely nonsensical allegations of corruption.

The decision to table the resolution has come after careful consideration and with the utmost respect for the Premier League, PGMOL and our fellow competitors.

There is no blame to be placed - we are all just looking for the best possible outcome for football - and all stakeholders have been working hard to try and make the introduction of additional technology a success.

However, after five seasons of VAR in the Premier League it is time for a constructive and critical debate on its future.

Our position is that the price we are paying for a small increase in accuracy is at odds with the spirit of our game, and as a result we should remove it from the 2024/25 season onwards."

https://news.sky.com/story/premier-leag ... s-13136568
Could it be scrapped ?
I reckon with the investment etc they will maintain it. Personally I think it is ruining the game in its current format.

Feels like a knee jerk reaction when we just need to be patient and give the Premier League and the PGMOL time to iron out the creases and get it working as intended

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 10:38 pm

Feels like a knee jerk reaction when we just need to be patient and give the Premier League and the PGMOL time to iron out the creases and get it working as intended

Indeed. Another forty years or so and they should have sorted it.

They can start by employing people up to the task. They would need to get rid of a good few to free up the space.

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 11:04 pm

They can start by employing people up to the task. They would need to get rid of a good few to free up the space.

Nail on the head.. spot on !

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2024 11:04 pm

They can start by employing people up to the task. They would need to get rid of quite a few idiots to free up the space.

Have Corrected it for you

They could start by employing a sizeable number from here that'd sort the job out in no time.

"The use of technology has infuriated some clubs but the league believes it is effective in eradicating decisions and is being improved."

Eradicating decisions ?????

They just need to stop the forensic investigations and just look to see if it’s a clear and obvious error of judgement. A player is not trying to gain an advantage by placing their knee 5mm further towards the goal! A VAR review that takes more than 30 seconds is not “clear and obvious”. Get that right and VAR is a positive thing.

For me it ruins the whole game when actually attending on a match day, and for that reason the Premier League really grates on me compared to watching us in the Championship. On the other hand, it works perfectly well in the World cup and Euros, so it must be how we are using it, or it is just not as evident when watching on TV as it is when your in the ground.

ClaretAL wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2024 7:32 am

For me it ruins the whole game when actually attending on a match day, and for that reason the Premier League really grates on me compared to watching us in the Championship. On the other hand, it works perfectly well in the World cup and Euros, so it must be how we are using it, or it is just not as evident when watching on TV as it is when your in the ground.

I remember when it was introduced it was said we'd use it differently over here because we have the best officials in the world, what a cock up they've made.
It's so simple to use, football is so simple yet idiots in charge are complicating it and letting the big clubs dictate everything

In its current format, most definitely consign it to the bin.

Far too much money involved now for this to disappear. Not a cat in hells chance this is going anywhere.

Needs a WEAPONS GRADE revamp and reinvention to make it fit for purpose, and to restore people’s faith in it. As previously said, a millimetre is NOT a clear and obvious error.

I’m one of the naive ones who assumed it would be good for the smaller clubs, as ‘unconscious bias’ would be eradicated.

Until the officials can move away from the first thought being protect my mate rather than telling him if he has got something wrong VAR in this country can't work.

Just ditch it and live with on-pitch officiating mistakes, rather than have the joy and passion sucked out of football. I hate it.

There's plenty that can be improved on. The first thing for me is getting rid of the clear and obvious phrase. Make it simple.
Is it a foul? Yes or no.
Is it violent contact? Yes or no.
Has the attacking player initiated contact? Yes or no.
Etc etc...
All the "clear and obvious" nonsense does is create confusion and inconsistency. Take the Newcastle game at the Turf. The Assignon and Gordon penalty incidents. In essence they're the same. Guimaraes and Brownhill both bring their forearms down onto the back of Assignon and Gordon. One is given on-field, one isn't. Neither is deemed clear and obvious by VAR so both on-field decisions remain (a win-win for Newcastle and a lose-lose for Burnley). My take on that is they're either both penalties or they're not. VAR should create clarity. Currently it's a farce.

It's definitely a NO from me as it's failed and not just us , just go back to old reffing and leave it at that, I'm just happy with goal line technology..

jlup1980 wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2024 8:24 am

There's plenty that can be improved on. The first thing for me is getting rid of the clear and obvious phrase. Make it simple.
Is it a foul? Yes or no.
Is it violent contact? Yes or no.
Has the attacking player initiated contact? Yes or no.
Etc etc...
All the "clear and obvious" nonsense does is create confusion and inconsistency. Take the Newcastle game at the Turf. The Assignon and Gordon penalty incidents. In essence they're the same. Guimaraes and Brownhill both bring their forearms down onto the back of Assignon and Gordon. One is given on-field, one isn't. Neither is deemed clear and obvious by VAR so both on-field decisions remain (a win-win for Newcastle and a lose-lose for Burnley). My take on that is they're either both penalties or they're not. VAR should create clarity. Currently it's a farce.

How can VAR ever create clarity when supporters can't even agree on what is or isn't a penalty.

For example, the only way to be 100% certain of handball is that if it hits a players hand it's given as a penalty. Otherwise refs and supporters alike will never agree.

bloke on talksport saying this morning its unlikely to reach a vote, no indication of a great deal of support.

the automated offsides might help next year.

its not the technology, its the incompetent staff

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2024 8:54 am

bloke on talksport saying this morning its unlikely to reach a vote, no indication of a great deal of support.

the automated offsides might help next year.

its not the technology, its the incompetent staff

But even with better officials how can you decide what a foul is or what handball is?

It's weird that they vehemently stick to the argument that if a toenail is offside, you're offside.

Using the same logic, if someone fires a ball at 70mph into your hand from half a yard away, it's a handball ...but of course, that sounds absolutely ridiculous.

So why isn't the thought that being half a toenail offside isn't?

I can (sort of) forgive incompetent/bad ref decisions in live action - it's part of the game - but for someone to go through frame by frame and STILL get a decision wrong after 5 minutes of looking is just unforgivable.

TL/DR : Get rid

The technology simply isn’t good enough - as various university studies have proved. Coupled with some incompetent operators then it just isn’t fit for purpose at present

Sadly it's not going to happen, there is zero per cent chance of enough clubs voting to get rid of it. Anyway it makes no difference to us, somehow we'll just have to manage without it in the Championship, how on earth the 24 clubs will cope without it I have no idea.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2024 8:47 am

How can VAR ever create clarity when supporters can't even agree on what is or isn't a penalty.

For example, the only way to be 100% certain of handball is that if it hits a players hand it's given as a penalty. Otherwise refs and supporters alike will never agree.

Surely it can create clarity during individual games by making decisions consistent. You will always have interpretation across entire game weeks as different referee's will potentially see things differently, but as with my Newcastle game example, there should be no reason why decisions are different during a single match.

We just had poor refereeing decisions now we still have poor refereeing decisions plus poor VAR decisions. I really cannot see what VR is added to the game other than giving the appalling TV pundits something else to bleat on about. Get rid.

Seems like a decently worded statement to me.