VK just confirmed both with us permanently !

Sadly not JBL though and obviously Assingnon.

Would’ve preferred JBL to have the have the obligation, he mustn’t have fancied the Championship.

I really like Esteve.

I'm attempting to be positive about Tresor.

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:04 pm

Sadly not JBL though and obviously Assingnon.

Would’ve preferred JBL to have the have the obligation, he mustn’t have fancied the Championship.

unless I misheard it he said "they are discussions we need to have, they both really enjoy being here'

full presser here if anyone wants to listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOHRQqhSAUA

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:06 pm

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

VK said something like 'we had 2 players out of the Belgian league in Benson and Zaroury and Resor had 20 assists in the league', then he implied a season in the Championship might be good for him

Tresor will be our Tella.

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:06 pm

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

My big issue with him is is general lack of strength on the ball & decision making. He made so many daft decisions trying to turn players on the edge of his box or whatever.

My worry generally next season is we won’t have to worry about stuff like that because we’ll invariably be attacking, or if we do it we won’t be punished because the opposition won’t have the quality to capitalise on the mistake. So I worry he won’t learn.

But I do agree there’s a really good player in there and he will come good in the Championship.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:08 pm

unless I misheard it he said "they are discussions we need to have, they both really enjoy being here'

full presser here if anyone wants to listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOHRQqhSAUA

That was what he said, sounded like we wanted to sign them but no option to do so (I thought there was in JBL’s contract but obviously not).

Some interesting other comments, reading between the lines:

said in both cases that they try to show their appreciation to those players, how much we rate them and make Burnley feel like home. Nothing really other than you would expect but a good attitude towards it all.

- Passion Assingnon showed in his last game was not that of a loan player. Fair point, I thought.

- Haven’t had the conversations re: staying yet, expects them to go & take advice from their advisors in summer.

Way I read it was “we do all we can to attract them to the club but when they go off in summer there’s every chance their advisors persuade them to go elsewhere”… may be a slightly negative take.

I hope we start Tresor on Sunday. He’s been awful but he’s not had a run of games and he’s not alone in struggling. Hes here now and we need to get him firing as he will certainly be expected to be a stand out player in the league we’re about to be in. Clean slate from me and I hope everyone.

Clean slate and I hope Tresor tears up the Championship next season.

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:06 pm

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

You can't be basing that on any of his Burnley performances so far?

Was just about to post about Tresor. The club have just uploaded a video of him doing some community stuff with Taylor. It was actually really good to see him getting involved in that stuff with a smile on his face and spoke really well at the end.

I posted earlier in the season how we aren't seeing enough of the players behind the scenes and this kind of thing is why it's so important. It definitely improved my perception of Tresor from just a 60 second clip.

Would ge really be doing it at this point of the season if he was leaving? Surely he would just say no

You'd hope that Tresor, a player that's barely featured for us but that got 20 assists last season and played and scored in the Champions League earlier this season, will have a point to prove going forward.

I was told that Tresor had been quite Ill for several weeks that had a real effect on his fitness.

I’d be amazed if “the ghost” as he apparently called himself wants to be here after Sunday. I was though also amazed he hasn’t played more. He needed a steep learning curve, you don’t get that sat in a box watching the game.

Surely we have to play someone like Tresor ahead of JBL tomorrow? Who knows, set up a goal or two and it could transform him. He certainly has the ability. But this in Vinny, he always gives us a crazy selection, like playing a loan player who is about to depart in a dead rubber.

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:06 pm

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

Fair enough, but how far down do we need to go before that becomes apparent?

I’m aware we haven’t yet kicked a championship ball in anger, but everything I have seen of Mike so far would suggest he’s just not up for it, or to it.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:47 pm

I’d be amazed if “the ghost” as he apparently called himself wants to be here after Sunday. I was though also amazed he hasn’t played more. He needed a steep learning curve, you don’t get that sat in a box watching the game.

Surely we have to play someone like Tresor ahead of JBL tomorrow? Who knows, set up a goal or two and it could transform him. He certainly has the ability. But this in Vinny, he always gives us a crazy selection, like playing a loan player who is about to depart in a dead rubber.

Absolutely. The only players on the pitch on Sunday, should be those who are staying.

Decent presser that. Some good questions asked and VK seemed a bit more thoughtful today.

Few bits that interested me:

- bbc lancs guy mentioned we will be seen as a big fish next season with parachute payments etc, Kompany more or less agreed but was quick to point out last season we weren’t a parachute team (we know they went to pay off debt), why is this interesting me now… does it suggest the parachute money won’t be going to repay debt this time? (otherwise he prob would have mentioned it)

- and with that, less downplaying of promotion expectations like we had when he joined, fully accepts that’s the aim.

- squad being in a ‘healthy’ place but some players may have ‘outgrown’ the Championship (Berge I’m guessing is one)… albeit the ‘need’ to sell them (name called McNeil) wont be as intense as the last relegation

- agree with NewClaret above and VK that Assignon has shown an incredible amount of passion since coming here for a loan player, was some poor comments on him last weekend imo

- hope Tresor stays next season

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:19 pm

Way I read it was “we do all we can to attract them to the club but when they go off in summer there’s every chance their advisors persuade them to go elsewhere”… may be a slightly negative take.

I'd say that's more matter of fact. It is what it is. When the players are off with their mates, family and agent on their holiday some will no doubt have their heard turned regardless. Only so much we can do.

One thing that stood out for me was his reaction to being asked about Brownhills future. There was a lot of hesitation around that answer that there wasn't with any other which makes me think there's a very good chance he will be leaving

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:06 pm

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

Bold statement.

Need to see some desire and graft. No evidence of it to date.

Various posters keep making comments that Tresor will come good and that “there’s a player in there” but I wish I could see anything at all to justify this belief. He has been absolutely awful.

Sounds like we would like to keep JBL and assignon, but the decisions will rest with the players. No need to sell anyone, but won't stand in way of players progression.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:19 pm

Way I read it was “we do all we can to attract them to the club but when they go off in summer there’s every chance their advisors persuade them to go elsewhere”… may be a slightly negative take.

I'd say that's accurate not negative mate

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:17 pm

Various posters keep making comments that Tresor will come good and that “there’s a player in there” but I wish I could see anything at all to justify this belief. He has been absolutely awful.

We’ve not seen enough of him really and certainly not enough in his best position (on the left) with a natural attacking left back to link with. He impressed me at Fulham away and Liverpool at home. But apart from that, such as the cameo at home to Luton, admittedly hasn’t been good. I guess the hope is he can find the form of last season at Genk (28 assists) which took them into the Champions League & Belgian national team. A player I feel will shine when we are dominating the ball again. I recall seeing Genk fans comment on him being a confidence player which perhaps explains what we’ve seen so far too. Natural replacement for Odobert who will inevitably leave, so hopefully he stays.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 1:56 pm

VK just confirmed both with us permanently !

Money well spent then.. not. And here was I hoping there was a clause in the contract/deal for Tresor.
Never mind, I suppose 15 million quid is small beer in this crazy world of football?

Looks as though the efforts to pull the plug on the Trésor deal have failed

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:40 pm

Looks as though the efforts to pull the plug on the Trésor deal have failed

Which presumably means Tresor has now signed for a club he knows doesn't want to sign him, for a club record transfer fee. Wonderful

Goliath wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:44 pm

Which presumably means Tresor has now signed for a club he knows doesn't want to sign him, for a club record transfer fee. Wonderful

13m is a club record transfer fee? I thought we paid more than that for Wood for one.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:46 pm

13m is a club record transfer fee? I thought we paid more than that for Wood for one.

Paid 42m for Trafford too

c£17m on a winger who might turn out to be good enough for the Championship is a lot of money.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:46 pm

Paid 42m for Trafford too

I thought it was nearer 70.

zippybid wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:59 pm

I thought it was nearer 70.

I didn't include the add ons

15 million, 13 million and 17 million all quoted within a few posts, nobody has any idea what we paid for him, how much of it was add ons etc etc. Whatever it was we've seen zero return on the investment so far

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:46 pm

13m is a club record transfer fee? I thought we paid more than that for Wood for one.

I thought it was closer to 20 than that. Let's change it to one of our top 5 club record fees to be safe

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:31 pm

You can't be basing that on any of his Burnley performances so far?

BECAUSE he's being played on the wrong wing, if played on the left he can whip in a ball with his left foot on the go, but on the right he needs to stop adjust his body turn angle to put the ball in with his stronger left after he's done all that the defender had the time then to be on him, Kompany for what ever reason plays him in the wrong position

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:17 pm

Various posters keep making comments that Tresor will come good and that “there’s a player in there” but I wish I could see anything at all to justify this belief. He has been absolutely awful.

I think they may be basing it on the fact that he got Belgian player of the season with 20+ assists in a league that Benson and Zaroury hardly got game time in.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:28 pm

Clean slate and I hope Tresor tears up the Championship next season.

Exactly that, you’ve got to get behind him, same with Trafford! We could be a real force next year

Pleased with this. Looking forward to seeing what Tresor can do in the championship

Goliath wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:00 pm

One thing that stood out for me was his reaction to being asked about Brownhills future. There was a lot of hesitation around that answer that there wasn't with any other which makes me think there's a very good chance he will be leaving

We’ve triggered his one year contract extension.
Doesn’t mean he isn’t leaving though

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 5:02 pm

We’ve triggered his one year contract extension.
Doesn’t mean he isn’t leaving though

Yep and I'd be surprised if he wasn't leaving based on his response to the question.

We need to go all out to sign JBL the dithering over Tella cost us a top player we don't want this seasons top scorer to go elsewhere.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:31 pm

You can't be basing that on any of his Burnley performances so far?

Maybe DougCollins is trusting the scouting we did on a stand out player in the Belgian league.
Tresor apparently took a season to settle in at Genk, so who knows what might happen in the coming season.

Tresor should be our classiest player.

Up to the manager to get the best out of them.

Tresor looking interested would be a start. I get all players are different but he's barely broken a sweat in the games he's played in so far.

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 2:06 pm

Tresor will come good I’m sure of that

More chance of being loaned to the Turkish league for peanuts, never to be seen again

How many times do people need to see young players moving to a new country struggle in their first season then tear it up in their second before they learn to give players a chance?

15million does buy you a decent player in the championship I’m confident he’ll be alright there but that’ll be his ceiling.

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 17, 2024 3:17 pm

Various posters keep making comments that Tresor will come good and that “there’s a player in there” but I wish I could see anything at all to justify this belief. He has been absolutely awful.

Agreed, he really should be doing more in his allotted 5 minutes.