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De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:54 pm
by LincsWoldsClaret
Leaving Brighton by mutual consent…
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:57 pm
by clarethomer
Will see if Sacha was right.
I hope not
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:00 pm
by bigdavethemaddog
no chance will Kompany be going to Brighton
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:12 pm
by ecc
Major surprise.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:23 pm
by ClaretTony
That’s been one of the worst kept secrets in football
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm
by BurnleyFC
Whinging **** who’s not as good as he thinks he is. Brighton have underachieved this season.
And if for whatever reason Brighton want Vinny and Vinny wants Brighton, then so be it.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm
by Woonderbah
Did Graham Potter leave on good terms ?.. maybe a return on the cards
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:33 pm
by ecc
They've been shocking these last few months.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:33 pm
by Vegas Claret
looking at a few comments from the Brighton fans they don't seem too fussed, very much backing Tony Bloom over De Zerbi
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:39 pm
by ClaretTony
ecc wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:33 pm
They've been shocking these last few months.
One win in the last nine
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:39 pm
by claptrappers_union
If Vincent Kompany leaves, I'll have more respect for Owen Coyle as a Burnley manager than him
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm
Whinging **** who’s not as good as he thinks he is. Brighton have underachieved this season.
And if for whatever reason Brighton want Vinny and Vinny wants Brighton, then so be it.
Some extenuating circumstances but I do agree.
They have had Europe this season and probably the worst injury record in the league
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:49 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pm
Some extenuating circumstances but I do agree.
They have had Europe this season and probably the worst injury record in the league
We have had double the amount of injuries Brighton have had
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:51 pm
by taio
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pm
Some extenuating circumstances but I do agree.
They have had Europe this season and probably the worst injury record in the league
I very much doubt that - Chelsea and Newcastle to name just two
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 4:51 pm
by jedi_master
You’d think Potter would be the obvious one here, as long as he maintained a relationship with Bloom.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:05 pm
by clarethomer
Woonderbah wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:31 pm
Did Graham Potter leave on good terms ?.. maybe a return on the cards
Deal was done between the boards of the respective club before he found out from what I know.
He wasn't actively looking to leave Brighton at the time and I think he and his family are still in the area down there.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:14 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:49 pm
We have had double the amount of injuries Brighton have had
Not sure it’s about the amount but more the number of key players
Estupinan, Mitoma, Furgosen, Dunk, Pedro, Enciso and Gross all been injuried and some of them for really long spells
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:16 pm
by SalouClaret
Kompany would do great with that Brighton team. Hope he stays with us, mind.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:17 pm
by ClaretTony
clarethomer wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:05 pm
Deal was done between the boards of the respective club before he found out from what I know.
He wasn't actively looking to leave Brighton at the time and I think he and his family are still in the area down there.
Potter has just turned down Ajax so maybe he is going back to Brighton
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:21 pm
by clarethomer
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:17 pm
Potter has just turned down Ajax so maybe he is going back to Brighton
It's just whether he is ready to give up his monthly 7 figure salary that Chelsea are committed to paying until his contract ends or he finds alternate work.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:22 pm
by kentonclaret
The sale of Mac Allister and Trossard and long term injuries to Solly March, Kaoru Mitoma and Evan Ferguson have hit Brighton very hard.
Those five players scored 37 goals between them in the PL last season and any club would struggle to maintain the same level of performance.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:25 pm
by Carlos the Great
If Kompany went to Brighton I wouldn’t be too fussed as long as he took all his signings with him
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:36 pm
by Rileybobs
The worrying thing would be if Kompany took both Trafford and Muric with him.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:38 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:36 pm
The worrying thing would be if Kompany took both Trafford and Muric with him.
Why would he do that, the keeper he actually wanted is there haha
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:41 pm
by ClaretTony
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:38 pm
Why would he do that, the keeper he actually wanted is there haha
Or was it the keeper that his goalkeeping coach wanted?
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:41 pm
by Carport
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:17 pm
Potter has just turned down Ajax so maybe he is going back to Brighton
I was told last weekend by someone who claimed to be close to the club that Potter will be next Man Utd manager. Don’t shoot the messenger!
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:44 pm
by ClaretTony
Carport wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:41 pm
I was told last weekend by someone who claimed to be close to the club that Potter will be next Man Utd manager. Don’t shoot the messenger!
He’s clearly got something lined up you would think.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:08 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:14 pm
Not sure it’s about the amount but more the number of key players
Estupinan, Mitoma, Furgosen, Dunk, Pedro, Enciso and Gross all been injuried and some of them for really long spells
Estupinan - 27 games
Mitoma - 26 games
Ferguson - 36 games
Dunk - 43 games
Pedro - 39 games
Enciso - 14 games
That’s not the team with the most injuries this season, only enciso has missed most of the season.
Beyer and koleosho only playing 15 games each foster 25 games if you are talking about key players is much worse.
Look at united missing shaw and Martinez for large parts of the season
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:23 pm
by Goalposts
De zerbi is supposedly Bayern Munich bound. VK makes decision this week alledgedly . and Mark robins has said nothing. Though we have sounded him out I’m told
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:25 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:08 pm
Estupinan - 27 games
Mitoma - 26 games
Ferguson - 36 games
Dunk - 43 games
Pedro - 39 games
Enciso - 14 games
That’s not the team with the most injuries this season, only enciso has missed most of the season.
Beyer and koleosho only playing 15 games each foster 25 games if you are talking about key players is much worse.
Look at united missing shaw and Martinez for large parts of the season
Your comparing all apps in cup games etc… as well
If we compare apples to apples
Mitoma has started 11 premier league games
Estupinan 18
Ferguson 26
Dunk 30
Enciso 10
Pedro 28
That’s a fair drop on regular starters
That doesn’t include the like of marsh, Gross etc… who have been in and out as well
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:27 pm
by Spijed
I've never understood why Potter was built up as the next big thing when his record at Brighton wasn't all that great.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:41 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:25 pm
Your comparing all apps in cup games etc… as well
If we compare apples to apples
Mitoma has started 11 premier league games
Estupinan 18
Ferguson 26
Dunk 30
Enciso 10
Pedro 28
That’s a fair drop on regular starters
That doesn’t include the like of marsh, Gross etc… who have been in and out as well
Again you’re proving the point that Brighton haven’t had anywhere near the worst injuries in the league, Ferguson, dunk and Pedro played a massive part.
When you compare it to the injuries man united, Newcastle and even wolves have had.
If your going off a team that has had the most injuries to key players then the amount of time palace have spent this season without guehi, eze and olise, much worse than how Brighton have had it
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:42 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Goalposts wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:23 pm
De zerbi is supposedly Bayern Munich bound. VK makes decision this week alledgedly . and Mark robins has said nothing. Though we have sounded him out I’m told
Thanks Sacha
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:44 pm
by RVclaret
Spijed wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:27 pm
I've never understood why Potter was built up as the next big thing when his record at Brighton wasn't all that great.
He got them into 9th and were top 6 when he got poached. Played good football & developed young talent. Impressive if you ask me.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:53 pm
by clarethomer
Carport wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:41 pm
I was told last weekend by someone who claimed to be close to the club that Potter will be next Man Utd manager. Don’t shoot the messenger!
He consulted for Brailsford in his takeover/investment into Man Utd.
There is a link there now for sure but I am not sure there is anything more to it.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:54 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Potter must think he has a good chance at another job to have two interviews at Ajax to then turn them down
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:55 pm
by clarethomer
Spijed wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:27 pm
I've never understood why Potter was built up as the next big thing when his record at Brighton wasn't all that great.
Interestingly I am not sure if he was expecting the interest.
It is a bit like when Moyes went to Utd - as a manager if a club like Man Utd or Chelsea come knocking - it's very hard to refuse. I think they know though if they fail, it is risky but saying no is also risky.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 8:22 pm
by Vegas Claret
the knobhead from talksport saying that McKenna is the one they want
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 8:31 pm
by summitclaret
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:39 pm
If Vincent Kompany leaves, I'll have more respect for Owen Coyle as a Burnley manager than him
If Vk leaves and somebody pays us to get him, it's a massive win for us, apart from the 30 or so players that he'd leave behind that only came here to play for him.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 10:01 pm
by kentonclaret
Carport wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:41 pm
I was told last weekend by someone who claimed to be close to the club that Potter will be next Man Utd manager. Don’t shoot the messenger!
If that was the case Sky Bet wouldn’t still be offering odds of 8/1 (7/1 William Hill).
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 11:31 pm
by Quicknick
Why would BHA want Kompany?
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 11:37 pm
by Jakubclaret
No premier league club in the right mind would appoint kompany (unfortunately) it's wishful thinking from some.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:39 am
by CrosspoolClarets
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/550324 ... h-parties/
Really good, clear, article explaining the reasons behind De Zerbi’s departure.
Basically Bloom doesn’t want many players in the 23-30 age bracket.
Has major implications for who gets the job and also for their future prospects.
Feels a little bit like they are a stud farm. Pursuing big sales above all else. Reading the article while pondering what the Clarets strategy has been this season was an interesting experience for me. I have no doubts there were elements (not 100%) of us trying to replicate the Bloom model.
The big question is whether players closer to their prime are needed for certain vital and difficult challenges, to kick on into the top 7 or to avoid relegation?
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 10:55 am
by Woodleyclaret
Are Brighton the new Stoke getting the last drops out of older talented players ?
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:02 am
by dandeclaret
Commonly accepted propositions...
Brighton are amazing, and De Zerbi is a brilliant manager.
Everton have had a shocking season, and will be looking to get rid of Dyche as soon as possible if they're to move forward.
De Zerbi points won this season - 48
Dyche points won this season - 48
One of them has spent fortunes as well....
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:03 am
by Cirrus_Minor
If Kompany fancies Brighton by the sea I will help him set his satnav
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:15 am
by GetIntoEm
The media are obsessed with Brighton, they are a dreadful side this year, injuries or not. they'll struggle next year without a decent manager. Owe loads of money to their owner too.
Not the sunshine and rainbows club the media portrays.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:28 am
by aggi
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:44 pm
He got them into 9th and were top 6 when he got poached. Played good football & developed young talent. Impressive if you ask me.
Consistently struggled to score goals though. Underperforming XG on a consistent basis means some questions are going to be asked of him.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:34 am
by JohnMcGreal
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 8:39 am
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/550324 ... h-parties/
Really good, clear, article explaining the reasons behind De Zerbi’s departure.
Basically Bloom doesn’t want many players in the 23-30 age bracket.
Has major implications for who gets the job and also for their future prospects.
Feels a little bit like they are a stud farm. Pursuing big sales above all else. Reading the article while pondering what the Clarets strategy has been this season was an interesting experience for me. I have no doubts there were elements (not 100%) of us trying to replicate the Bloom model.
The big question is whether players closer to their prime are needed for certain vital and difficult challenges, to kick on into the top 7 or to avoid relegation?
If Brighton is being run as a stud farm you could maybe say we're being run as a dud farm.
Re: De Zerbi
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:37 am
by RVclaret
aggi wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:28 am
Consistently struggled to score goals though. Underperforming XG on a consistent basis means some questions are going to be asked of him.
Not in the latter season and half really. And the fact they were always creating high xG is (generally) a good thing, not a negative. We’ve not created near enough this season and hence a low goals tally. While on the topic, interestingly our open play xG against is 4th highest, West Ham being between us and the other 2.