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Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:25 am
by AGENT_CLARET
If offers come in for both Muric and Trafford and going of some rumours both are being watched who would you sell if bids come in at
Muric £10 Million
Trafford £20 Million
For me it's got to be Trafford I don't think we've got the time to fully develop him
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:11 pm
by bumba
Heard rumours Trafford went to see players at Bolton when he'd been dropped and said he'd never play for Burnley again, no idea if there's any truth in it.
If we could get £30 million for the pair of them it maybe right to sell both and replace with a stronger goalkeeper
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:15 pm
by kentonclaret
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:11 pm
Heard rumours Trafford went to see players at Bolton when he'd been dropped and said he'd never play for Burnley again, no idea if there's any truth in it.
If we could get £30 million for the pair of them it maybe right to sell both and replace with a stronger goalkeeper
The Bolton players obviously so traumatised by the whole experience that they were unable to muster a serious challenge in yesterday’s Play-Off Final.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:17 pm
by NL Claret
Sell both, gives us funds to buy another keeper and strengthen the weak areas like CM and CF.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:27 pm
by bumba
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:17 pm
Sell both, gives us funds to buy another keeper and strengthen the weak areas like CM and CF.
A lot of fans seem to think that when we sell a player we have all those funds available to buy players, if we sell Trafford we'd have to pay City what we owe them plus any % sell on clause they have. We'd then only have what was left, it'd be hard to buy three quality players with what was left
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:28 pm
by Woodleyclaret
Return Trafford and ask for a full refund
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:32 pm
by Goliath
Trafford needs to go. It's difficult to see him being accepted by the fans at this point. So just try and get as high a fee as possible, probably between 10 and 20 mil with add ons.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:41 pm
by Boxy
Sell muric. Trafford potential is higher, a year in the champs will do wonders for him
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:41 pm
by NL Claret
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:27 pm
A lot of fans seem to think that when we sell a player we have all those funds available to buy players, if we sell Trafford we'd have to pay City what we owe them plus any % sell on clause they have. We'd then only have what was left, it'd be hard to buy three quality players with what was left
Ok, sell both and get a new GK on a free transfer, like Heaton was.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:43 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
Love good unsubstantiated rumours and claims about the fans
Muric is 25 and has more experience in the championship
Trafford is 21 and has more PL experience
It’s down to the manager to decide which has the best future with us next season
We can get over £20 million for Trafford
Muric probably £15-20 million, maybe more
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:44 pm
by bumba
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:41 pm
Ok, sell both and get a new GK on a free transfer, like Heaton was.
I can't see us being able to get a keeper good enough for our system on a free, if a young Tom Heaton was available on a free again I still couldn't see VK having the nous to sign him!
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:50 pm
by NL Claret
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:44 pm
I can't see us being able to get a keeper good enough for our system on a free, if a young Tom Heaton was available on a free again I still couldn't see VK having the nous to sign him!
Posters / fans talk about the system, is the system actually the problem and not the GK?
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:50 pm
by Jambounchained
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:11 pm
Heard rumours Trafford went to see players at Bolton when he'd been dropped and said he'd never play for Burnley again, no idea if there's any truth in it.
If we could get £30 million for the pair of them it maybe right to sell both and replace with a stronger goalkeeper
Fantastic news
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 2:56 pm
by fatboy47
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:43 pm
We can get over £20 million for Trafford
Muric probably £15-20 million, maybe more
Please...please tell me you dont seriously believe that. We've been well and truly bent over with Trafford and the football world knows it. ..£10m for him would be a miracle.
Muric will stay because hes probably worth more to us than the £5m we'd be lucky to get for him.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:06 pm
by Elizabeth
I can see why some regard Trafford as damaged goods and this is short sighted in my opinion.
If he is full of himself he’ll likely force a move anyway.
My best scenario is he goes to the Euros as number 3 and returns wanting to play for us in the Championship season, a better keeper playing at the level he possibly should have played last season.
I don’t think it will be good for players and fans alike if we have another Trafford v Muric season.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:07 pm
by JimmyRobbo
I'm glad our fans aren't anywhere near the negotiating table for our players.
We can be the harshest of judges. Both keepers carry a hefty price while under contract. We will have no problem getting our money back. Trust the process.Trafford is very highly thought of by people who move in those circles. Even if we don't feel it.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:11 pm
by Vegas Claret
Keep Muric sell Trafford
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:13 pm
by ecc
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:27 pm
A lot of fans seem to think that when we sell a player we have all those funds available to buy players, if we sell Trafford we'd have to pay City what we owe them plus any % sell on clause they have. We'd then only have what was left, it'd be hard to buy three quality players with what was left
Please don't complicate things, bumba.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:15 pm
by NL Claret
Wes Foderingham available on a free.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:22 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:11 pm
Heard rumours Trafford went to see players at Bolton when he'd been dropped and said he'd never play for Burnley again, no idea if there's any truth in it.
If we could get £30 million for the pair of them it maybe right to sell both and replace with a stronger goalkeeper
Bolton fan I recently talked to couldn’t believe he had played so badly for us. Maybe league one is his level.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:23 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:15 pm
Wes Foderingham available on a free.
We could have a competition to see who can let the most goals in
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:27 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
fatboy47 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:56 pm
Please...please tell me you dont seriously believe that. We've been well and truly bent over with Trafford and the football world knows it. ..£10m for him would be a miracle.
Muric will stay because hes probably worth more to us than the £5m we'd be lucky to get for him.
This place is not a good barometer when it comes to player valuations
What did you value Chris Wood at in his final season?
None of us would guess we’d get what we did
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:27 pm
by Elizabeth
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:22 pm
Bolton fan I recently talked to couldn’t believe he had played so badly for us. Maybe league one is his level.
Maybe another fan who doesn’t think about it too deeply and confuses the different levels in sport
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:27 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:22 pm
Bolton fan I recently talked to couldn’t believe he had played so badly for us. Maybe league one is his level.
He went from league one to the PL, new club, manager, players, new system which turned out to be quite poor at protecting the keeper
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:32 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:27 pm
Maybe another fan who doesn’t think about it too deeply and confuses the different levels in sport
He was a season ticket holder at Bolton said he looked really good at league one level but had watched his highlights on motd and thought it was a completely different keeper. Thought he looked absolutely rubbish, don’t shoot the messenger!
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:35 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
When Trafford says he’ll never play for Burnley again has he been told this or is it his decision? @ bumba ?
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:38 pm
by Elizabeth
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:32 pm
He was a season ticket holder at Bolton said he looked really good at league one level but had watched his highlights on motd and thought it was a completely different keeper. Thought he looked absolutely rubbish, don’t shoot the messenger!
I’m sure he said that but had it been me I’d not given it much thought , I certainly wouldn’t have thought maybe Trafford is League One level
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:41 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:38 pm
I’m sure he said that but had it been me I’d not given it much thought , I certainly wouldn’t have thought maybe Trafford is League One level
Hopefully we won’t find out.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:42 pm
by Elizabeth
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:44 pm
by ecc
Wood was a freak signing. Unusual circs.
Anybody who offers £20m for Trafford would have the offer snapped up PDQ.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 6:59 pm
by bumba
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:50 pm
Posters / fans talk about the system, is the system actually the problem and not the GK?
I think this season has proven the system won't be effective in this league unless you have the best players, it'll be fine again in the championship but if we get promoted again there needs to be a serious think about our style and system
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 7:01 pm
by bumba
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 3:35 pm
When Trafford says he’ll never play for Burnley again has he been told this or is it his decision? @ bumba ?
No idea if it's even true it was just a rumour I was told, I'm not his biggest fan but I find it hard to believe he would have said it.
Who knows what's gone on behind the scenes this season something has gone badly wrong and the players and team don't seem to have any bond or connection this season
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 7:28 pm
by Leyland Claret
Sell both and buy the keeper from Crawley
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:06 pm
by Darthlaw
I can imagine Trafford thinking his BFC career is over, given the fans reaction towards him towards the last of his games, where a kick out of play caused derision.
Then he watches Muric boot one off Calvert Lewin, has an under 5’s error (letting the ball go under his foot) then perpetually kick to the oppo at the edge of the box v Tottenham and be given a free pass.
If we get the money to not make a loss, best to let him go before a section of the fans go full Jimmy Mullen on him.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:16 pm
by Shaggy
Trafford has to go. He has to be one of if not the worst value signing we have ever made.
He will get roasted alive in the championship with its extra physicality and teams going more direct. He’s an absolute weakling.
The signs were there even in preseason what he was all about.
Hope we never see him in a Burnley shirt again
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:41 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
bumba wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 7:01 pm
No idea if it's even true it was just a rumour I was told, I'm not his biggest fan but I find it hard to believe he would have said it.
Who knows what's gone on behind the scenes this season something has gone badly wrong and the players and team don't seem to have any bond or connection this season
Last season there was a clear bond, we need to get shut of players who the club don’t think have a future and have a 25 man squad that we know are in it for the long haul
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:43 pm
by GetIntoEm
Leyland Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 7:28 pm
Sell both and buy the keeper from Crawley
So we sell 2 top talents and replace him with someone you've watched once on telly cos it was a play off final? I like your style
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:45 pm
by Bowclaret
I can see Trafford going to Chelsea
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:13 pm
by brexit
Shaggy wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 8:16 pm
Trafford has to go. He has to be one of if not the worst value signing we have ever made.
He will get roasted alive in the championship with its extra physicality and teams going more direct. He’s an absolute weakling.
The signs were there even in preseason what he was all about.
Hope we never see him in a Burnley shirt again
You are talking about the England U21 keeper here. Maybe the issue is that the defence in front of him was not up PL standards and our GK coach did not have PL experience?
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:15 pm
by RVclaret
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:20 pm
by NL Claret
brexit wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 9:13 pm
Maybe the issue is that the defence in front of him was not up PL standards and our GK coach did not have PL experience?
The issue is also that the midfield in front of the defence and the forward line were not up to PL standards either. Some cannot see past that the GK position was the sole reason for relegation.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:54 pm
by deanothedino
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 9:20 pm
The issue is also that the midfield in front of the defence and the forward line were not up to PL standards either. Some cannot see past that the GK position was the sole reason for relegation.
Maybe we just weren’t very good
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:59 pm
by NL Claret
deanothedino wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 9:54 pm
Maybe we just weren’t very good
I think you might be right , from 1-11, we just weren’t very good at all.
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 10:01 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
I would sell Trafford but I think muric will be pushing for a move and if Celtic come in with a bigger offer we will sell
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 10:05 pm
by Gerry Hattrick
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 2:43 pm
.........................
We can get over £20 million for Trafford
Muric probably £15-20 million, maybe more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3A1TT3kwIY
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 10:17 pm
by randomclaret2
Maybe look for a new Goalkeeping Coach. What's Billy Mercer up to ?
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 7:49 am
by bumba
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 8:41 pm
Last season there was a clear bond, we need to get shut of players who the club don’t think have a future and have a 25 man squad that we know are in it for the long haul
I don't think we will have any players here for the long haul anymore the aim is to sell them all on at a profit, we may see some potential come through the door but then we'll always sell them on
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 8:29 am
by 123EasyasBFC
bumba wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 7:49 am
I don't think we will have any players here for the long haul anymore the aim is to sell them all on at a profit, we may see some potential come through the door but then we'll always sell them on
That’s the overall policy but there are still players at any club that you need to keep for extended periods.
Right now anyone we sell isn’t to sell them for profit it’s to sell to recoup the loss in tv money we will have next season
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:34 am
by wilks_bfc
Said this earlier in the season
Throwing Trafford into a premier league starting 11 was like a Michelin star restaurant promoting the 16yr old pot washer to head chef
I don’t doubt he has the potential, but that comes with experience, and building up. You don’t check them straight in and leave them to make the same mistakes over and over again
Re: Sell one Keep one
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 10:23 am
by boatshed bill
wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 9:34 am
Said this earlier in the season
Throwing Trafford into a premier league starting 11 was like a Michelin star restaurant promoting the 16yr old pot washer to head chef
I don’t doubt he has the potential, but that comes with experience, and building up. You don’t check them straight in and leave them to make the same mistakes over and over again
Perhaps it was contractural. No doubt that he wasn't ready, though.
