Strong rumours are going around that Dyche may depart from Everton due to their off field issues.

Something really not right with that club.

Just when the majority of their fans have started to warm to him aswell. Where do you think he will end up? Would you have him back here if Kompanys goes?

It's ok.... you can say the name of a Bona Fide Burnley legend you know.... you can do it..... I believe in you.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 11:37 am

Strong rumours are going around that Dyche may depart from Everton due to their off field issues.

Something really not right with that club.

Just when the majority of their fans have started to warm to him aswell. Where do you think he will end up? Would you have him back here if Kompanys goes?

No

As much as I respect Sean Dyche as a manager, the club appointed him to venture into a new ethos and 'brand of football'—as much as I think he's a better manager than Vincent Kompany, bringing him back would be a backward step and demonstrate there's a lack of vision from the board.

I'm Kompany in and will be unless we seem incapable of picking up form next season.

But hypothetically speaking, I don't know whether Dyche coming back would lead to success or not. Our current team has a lot of the qualities that some of us were crying out for in Dyche's teams, eg pace, flair etc. Dyche's teams were build on organisation, determination, structure etc. Probably something we've been lacking this year. But whether our current players could play in a Dyche system is a tough call.

I think we've moved too far away from a Dyche team for it to work. I don't think the players would buy into it. If he does leave Everton he'll be a fantastic manager for someone else.

If only we could get a hybrid - Sean Kompany or a Vincent Dyche we’d be unbeatable

There’s more chance of Owen Coyle coming back.

Would I have the best Manager Burnley have had in my almost 50 years of supporting the club? Hmm, let me think.....

Just for reference Dyche had racked up 24 points when he was sacked in eight games fewer than Kompany has had to achieve the same total. I don’t think there is any doubt who is the better manager at EPL level but there is no way he would come back after being bulleted by Pace.

I’d have him back tomorrow. Everton would be crazy to ditch him. They’ve won 48 points under him this season with that squad.

He wouldn’t want to come back with Pace in charge

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:25 pm

He wouldn’t want to come back with Pace in charge

No he wouldn’t

I wouldn’t dream of having him back.

Completely done with that style of football for a good 5-10 years at least.

I was getting bored with how we played the last year under Dyche however I never fell out of love with the club,this season culminating in Sundays borefest I firmly believe getting 100million backing from the owners instead of the penny pinching Dyche had to endure with Garlick, we wouldn't have been anyway near relegation and the season would have been far more enjoyable.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:25 pm

I’d have him back tomorrow. Everton would be crazy to ditch him. They’ve won 48 points under him this season with that squad.

I don’t think the rumours are around Dyche being ditched, rather him walking after the job not becoming what was sold to him.

I’m torn on it really, I think his stock is very high now and there’s a real risk they get more points deductions and have to sell a lot of players in summer. I can see why he’d want to go out on high rather than either on the vine as he did here when investment dried up.

He’ll never come back here though, so pointless debate. He deserves a stable PL club with some cash to spend.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:29 pm

I wouldn’t dream of having him back.

Completely done with that style of football for a good 5-10 years at least.

Yep... hard to beat winning football isn't what we want...... it's all about error strewn, naive, development football so you can make good youtube and short format content. Forever forward to the worst season in the clubs history, having spent the most ever in the clubs history.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

He'd sort our defence out for starters!

New owners would be required. I doubt he would come back anyway, that ship has sailed but we have memories of great times to think back on.
Would he take a championship job? Norwich or Sunderland might be tempting

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:29 pm

I wouldn’t dream of having him back.

Completely done with that style of football for a good 5-10 years at least.

Would you rather the style we saw on Sunday - advance to 30 metres from goal - pass sideways, back, sideways again, forward, sideways, lose possession, race back to defend? Then do it all again?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:29 pm

I wouldn’t dream of having him back.

Completely done with that style of football for a good 5-10 years at least.

And you this season’s turgid football was better? Awful to watch as well as the dreadful results.

Did well for us on pennies..

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:53 pm

Did well for us on pennies..

Imagine if he'd ever been given 100 million or so like Kompany.

At PL level a far superior manager than VK. Not bad in the Championship either. I’d like to see what he could have done with VK’s budget.

Maverick idea, but if we’re not having Kompany, can we go for someone other than Dyche? Or are we limited to choosing between the bloke who delivered the relegation just gone and the bloke who delivered the relegation before? Both were very difficult to watch in their own ways.

Can we not choose for the thousands of other coaches out there?

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:54 pm

Imagine if he'd ever been given 100 million or so like Kompany.

He got the best out of certain players who nobody else would go near like Barton, Arfield, Westwood etc ..

Bullabill wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:43 pm

Would you rather the style we saw on Sunday - advance to 30 metres from goal - pass sideways, back, sideways again, forward, sideways, lose possession, race back to defend? Then do it all again?

Prefer that than struggling to put two passes together and watching the ball in the air and out of play for most of the game. That last season and 3 quarters was painful.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:47 pm

And you this season’s turgid football was better? Awful to watch as well as the dreadful results.

I’ve found quite a number of our performances this season quite enjoyable. Some of the football we played at Villa, United, Anfield and Spurs (to name a few) was delightful tbh and definitely not turgid.

Dyche back any day of the week. Unfortunately he’s too big of a fish for us now.

Doubt he would ever be remotely interested with these owners in charge.

We didn’t know how we good we had it with him until he went. We will now be stuck with prima Donna managers and soft footballers for the foreseeable

Where's it say anything about this?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:12 pm

Dyche back any day of the week. Unfortunately he’s too big of a fish for us now.

Doubt he would ever be remotely interested with these owners in charge.

We didn’t know how we good we had it with him until he went. We will now be stuck with prima Donna managers and soft footballers for the foreseeable

And you did nothing but slag him off when he was here!

You're the epitome of the fickle fan.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:59 pm

Prefer that than struggling to put two passes together and watching the ball in the air and out of play for most of the game. That last season and 3 quarters was painful.

I’ve found quite a number of our performances this season quite enjoyable. Some of the football we played at Villa, United, Anfield and Spurs (to name a few) was delightful tbh and definitely not turgid.

But you don't get any points for that, what do points bring......prizes and we didn't get any, even at Christmas.

If it's a straight choice between the two, I'd rather have him here than Kompany.

Although as agreenwood points out, there are other managers out there.

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:58 pm

Maverick idea, but if we’re not having Kompany, can we go for someone other than Dyche? Or are we limited to choosing between the bloke who delivered the relegation just gone and the bloke who delivered the relegation before? Both were very difficult to watch in their own ways.

Can we not choose for the thousands of other coaches out there?

The thread was about Dyche so that’s why no one else is mentioned.

Bullabill wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:43 pm

Would you rather the style we saw on Sunday - advance to 30 metres from goal - pass sideways, back, sideways again, forward, sideways, lose possession, race back to defend? Then do it all again?

Interesting point because I’ve been discussing this with a mate today.

Summary answer is yes I would, but it’s not quite that simple…

I understand your point. It gets me frustrated at times. I agree with your summary of it bar I actually think very often the style allows us to win the ball straight back when we lose it (more than your post gives credit for), accepting that is the outcome sometimes.

If you look at the game as a whole yesterday we had 72% possession, made the better chances I thought (don’t take them) and in creating those played some great football. The Amdouni misses were great build up.

Where I do get frustrated is when I think we have the fullbacks exposed and don’t take them on. There was a couple of times Vitinho did that yesterday, passing backwards and then… to make it worse… we lose possession playing a crazy pass between two players that was never, ever on. So don’t retain possession when we should. That annoys me more than a back pass.

When I was leaving, I asked myself “how would I feel as a Forest fan with that?”. Probably like I did under Dyche, delighted with the win but also pretty difficult to watch the opposition have so much of the ball, creating a fair number of chances. It was always such a nervy watch for me.

So while I understand your point, I wouldn’t want to go back to low block generally. And even if we need to get better at it or adapt it in the premier league, it is definitely what I want to see in the Championship.

Rick_Muller wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:15 pm

If only we could get a hybrid - Sean Kompany or a Vincent Dyche we’d be unbeatable

Best post on this thread by some distance.

Most people on here take a side and stick to it no matter what. They will highly praise their favourite refusing to see any faults and be ultra critical of any or some of their predecessors or successors.

Since the appointment of Stan I think the recruitment of our managers has been absolutely outstanding with 1 exception. In approximately 26 years that is an amazing achievement by the various boards of our club. My brief appraisal of our managers in that time. I feel a little guilty not including JM but I will go from 1998.

ST- Took us out of League and to the brink of the Championships play offs on a couple of occasions. Left at the right time.

SC- Steadied the club when we were in financial dire straits with hardly any players. Again he was sacked at the right time.

OC- A combination of good fortune and a stroke of genius. Everything that we have today is because of the promotion in 2009. I have long since forgiven him but sadly for OC plenty of Karmic retribution has come his way since leaving us in 2010.

BL- The only appointment that was an absolute disaster. Thankfully he was potted within a year. Quite sad because I loved him as a player. He receives a little grace because he signed Dean Marney.

EH- Never quite worked out for a variety of reasons. However he did recruit Trippier, Mee, Shackell, Ings and Vokes. The club may have been in a lower position in the league when he left but overall I believe we were in a much stronger position than when we arrived.

SD- Quite simply the best appointment of the lot. 2 promotions and 2 top 10 PL finishes as well as improving the infrastructure of the club. As great as he was I wasn't too disappointed when he left. I thought that he had lost the desire that he had in previous years.

VK- An unexpected breath of fresh air and a complete surprise to see how we won the Championship after a complete rebuild playing some scintillating football. This season he has made plenty of mistakes around recruitment and selection. Hopefully he will have a few weeks off and reflect on the mistakes he made and how he can improve. I believe that he will and I am already looking forward to next season. UTC

It's still crazy we ever sacked him considering he would, quite easily, have got us promoted again (considering he had done it twice before with relatively tiny/non-existent budgets - I say relatively considering we did sign Gray after selling Ings/Trippier/Shackell). We would have been back in the same position we wanted to be in but with someone who had the experience required to keep us up. It should be clear to anyone who has a bit of common sense that the only reason things had gone as stale as they had was that we had just had 24 months of non-existent investment in the squad.

Dyche would have done this season following promotion totally differently. I think probably O'Shea is the only player from last summer that Dyche would have even considered signing, perhaps Berge too as I believe he was interested in him before he went to Sheff Utd. Football worse? In The Championship, yes, it was more 'efficient' than sexy ala Kompany, but Dyche would have quite easily have delivered better to watch football in this league with the budget Vinny has had. Look at what we did in 17/18 up until Brady and Defour got injured and try telling me we didn't play good football. Anyone who was at Stamford Bridge, Wembley (Spurs), Goodison Park, Dean Court, Hawthorns, Old Trafford etc that season would tell you we played some great stuff.

It's a pretty irrelevant question though as there is no chance he will ever be back whilst these owners are here. Worth me perhaps adding too, I don't pine for his return at this point. I was absolutely gutted/shellshocked/angered beyond contempt at his dismissal but whats gone is gone - Kompany delivered the best season of my lifetime last year. I just hope he's got another in him.

Yes I would have him back but Pace wouldn’t entertain it with his new direction on player recruitment etc. Dyche would be wise to ditch Everton and wait for a Club that would provide him with some decent funds together with the opportunity to challenge for things.

“Never go back” is an expression for a reason, that applies to our choices, the club’s choices as well as Dyche's choices. All would be crackers. The second coming would never work as well as the first (ignoring issues like whether he would get on with the board etc).

On balance though I would stick with Kompany, definitely. 2022/23, brilliant. 2023/24, reminded me of Eddie Howe at Burnley as a young manager, out of his depth at that club with that expectation at that level. I knew then that Howe would turn into a good manager, even though I wanted him potted, which luckily happened (I don’t buy into the talk about personal reasons).

Kompany is the same. Too young really for the Premier League, but won’t be in 15 months and will have learned a lot. If his style works it will be fantastic and young players are always great to watch. It just didn’t this season due to naivety and inexperience.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:26 pm

The thread was about Dyche so that’s why no one else is mentioned.

Most threads nearly always diversify in some way Tony. It makes the board all the more interesting for me.

There's literally nowhere I can see that suggests his job is under threat, except from this post. Where are these rumours?

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:48 pm

There's literally nowhere I can see that suggests his job is under threat, except from this post. Where are these rumours?

OP pointed out that it's not his job being under threat but him potentially walking away from it

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:48 pm

There's literally nowhere I can see that suggests his job is under threat, except from this post. Where are these rumours?

I think you can interpret the opening post either way, perhaps Dyche is considering his options rather than him being sacked.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:17 pm

And you did nothing but slag him off when he was here!

You're the epitome of the fickle fan.

If you could read that’s why I said we didn’t know what we had until he left.

Martin Tyler got laughed at for suggesting dyche to man united but why shouldn’t he be in the running for it. Without points deduction he has got Everton 48 points on a 100m budget, just think what he would do with a 300m budget.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:12 pm

Dyche back any day of the week. Unfortunately he’s too big of a fish for us now.

Doubt he would ever be remotely interested with these owners in charge.

We didn’t know how we good we had it with him until he went. We will now be stuck with prima Donna managers and soft footballers for the foreseeable

Am sure you said you have lost any interest in the club. Anyway, you wax lyrical about Sean Dyche now but the season he was sacked was dire. Right from the first game v Brighton to that debacle at Norwich and you were constantly banging the drum highlighting his shortcomings.
What about the fortunes of your 3 favourite managers on the continent somewhere curre tly. I've forgotten their names already but I'm sure you have a full dossier on each of their attributes, achievements and pedigree. Go on, tell us all about them. You know you want to.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:54 pm

Imagine if he'd ever been given 100 million or so like Kompany.

I'd have loved to have seen what our best manager in many years would have done with 100 million, given he was starved of any reasonable funding.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:56 pm

If you could read that’s why I said we didn’t know what we had until he left.

A lot of us did!

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:56 pm

If you could read that’s why I said we didn’t know what we had until he left.

You spent years slagging Dyche off. Or am I mixed up with someone else who has Newcastle in their username?

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 2:08 pm

Am sure you said you have lost any interest in the club. Anyway, you wax lyrical about Sean Dyche now but the season he was sacked was dire. Right from the first game v Brighton to that debacle at Norwich and you were constantly banging the drum highlighting his shortcomings.
What about the fortunes of your 3 favourite managers on the continent somewhere curre tly. I've forgotten their names already but I'm sure you have a full dossier on each of their attributes, achievements and pedigree. Go on, tell us all about them. You know you want to.

Put it this way them three managers couldn’t have done any worse this season if they tried.

In fact I’m pretty sure Joe bloggs of the street couldn’t have done much worse than Kompany this season

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 12:58 pm

Maverick idea, but if we’re not having Kompany, can we go for someone other than Dyche? Or are we limited to choosing between the bloke who delivered the relegation just gone and the bloke who delivered the relegation before? Both were very difficult to watch in their own ways.

Can we not choose for the thousands of other coaches out there?

Look how Palace have been transformed under Glasner. There are coaches out there, and I believe certain coaches fit certain clubs. I do believe there is a coach somewhere who can get us to be a stable premier league club, finding that person is another story.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 20, 2024 1:56 pm

If you could read that’s why I said we didn’t know what we had until he left.

We?

I always knew what we had, and I was always grateful for it.