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Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:19 pm
by ClaretPope
From Lancashire Police:
"Police were called at shortly after 4.30pm (on Saturday) to a disturbance at the Arbories Memorial Ground, Well Street, Padiham where a number of people were fighting.
During the fight one man, aged in his 50s, was knocked to the ground and briefly lost consciousness. He has now recovered.
We have launched an investigation, and we are appealing for witnesses or anyone with information to come forward."

Padiham FC say that the incident occurred at the end of a local cup final and those involved were not Padiham FC connected.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:25 pm
by bobinho
Seen the video… the lad that was sparked was side swiped by an absolute coward. Plenty of video evidence, question is, will it be sufficient to secure a conviction? 🤔🙏

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:29 pm
by ISpeds00
Was up there
Hot Day
Beer Flowing
Teams from Blackburn
Kicked Off massively

Elmo took a nasty sidewind

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:31 pm
by jrgbfc
Imagine fighting at an East Lancs league game, absolute weapons.
Was Trawden against Whinney hill followed by Barlick v Feniscowles and Pleasington. Trouble with lads from Blackburn way maybe?

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:34 pm
by GetIntoEm
It was Feniscowls yes

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:38 pm
by Ptangyangkipperbang
Team was from Feniscowles a coach load of them they probably never watch football at that level just came over for a day in the boozer.Things like this could have a knock on effect for non league sides having to provide a bit more security at grounds and stop fans having a drink while watching the game.Story I heard is they were threatening the ref during the match and one of their number had just come out of prison and they were celebrating the fact if that's true just shows what kind of people they are.Pleased to say I hear Elmo's allright

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:47 pm
by jrgbfc
Tbf Feniscowles are one of the better sides at that level and normally seem a decent, well run club. I'd guess the lads causing bother weren't really anything to do them.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:51 pm
by bfcjg
Good job some of Burnley's hooligan element didn't know about it or there could have been some real trouble. Braindeads.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:58 pm
by elwaclaret
Posh end of Blackburn and crappy end… Blackburn Olympic v Blackburn(Grammar School) Rovers was the first ever recorded occurrence of football hooliganism (1890’s if memory serves - research not there, before anyone is cheeky).

Edited last bit..

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:15 pm
by Quickenthetempo
I was next door at the cricket when word got through of the trouble.
Was supposed to be the bald Centre half for Feniscowles who hit someone in the crowd while playing. Then was involved after the game.

The police were still in the carpark 90 minutes afterwards, when I walked down after cricket had finished.

This story has made the BBC.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:10 pm
by MrTopTier
bfcjg wrote:
Tue May 21, 2024 5:51 pm
Good job some of Burnley's hooligan element didn't know about it or there could have been some real trouble. Braindeads.
Nah they wouldn’t, they would have gone to Colne :D

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:14 pm
by claret2018
elwaclaret wrote:
Tue May 21, 2024 5:58 pm
Posh end of Blackburn and crappy end… Blackburn Olympic v Blackburn(Grammar School) Rovers was the first ever recorded occurrence of football hooliganism (1890’s if memory serves - research not there, before anyone is cheeky).

Edited last bit..
There’s a posh end of Blackburn???

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:54 pm
by karatekid
I was driving past the Tim bobbin about 6pm on Saturday and a couple of muppets were fighting in the road. BBQ season has begun.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 10:00 pm
by elwaclaret
claret2018 wrote:
Tue May 21, 2024 9:14 pm
There’s a posh end of Blackburn???
Posh is pushing it but Fenniscowles, Cherry Tree on way out to Houghton Tower is ‘suburbia’ and deffinately a cut above what springs to my mind when I think of Blackburn… to be fair not something I do often.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 3:53 pm
by ISpeds00
Went off again last night - Townely Cup FInal (Danehouse vs Craven Heifer)
Big brawls all over the show, match abandoned - police all over
Videos again doing the rounds

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 6:35 am
by Robbie_painter
ISpeds00 wrote:
Sat May 25, 2024 3:53 pm
Went off again last night - Townely Cup FInal (Danehouse vs Craven Heifer)
Big brawls all over the show, match abandoned - police all over
Videos again doing the rounds
Not a surprise that with Danehouse involved

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 8:37 am
by jrgbfc
Amateur footy is already dieing on its arse, can't imagine stuff like this helps.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 8:42 am
by Clovius Boofus
jrgbfc wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 8:37 am
Amateur footy is already dieing on its arse, can't imagine stuff like this helps.
I agree. Also, it would be the end of many of them if they were to lose their alcohol license.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 9:02 am
by Quickenthetempo
You would think Padiham would have to re-think hosting these local league finals next season.

The behaviour from some players and fans has been shocking.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 9:10 am
by Ptangyangkipperbang
It's been great watching Padiham this season good crowds turning up sizeable away followings and with no hint of trouble.These games the last couple of weeks as I have stated earlier are not fans of football at this level but more than likely coked up ***** using the game as an excuse for an alternative day out

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 9:11 am
by bfcjg
It reflects society as it is today though it doesn't it ? No respect,no manners, no boundaries, wherever you host games some people are just hell bent on ruining things for others and know they'll get away with it.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 9:23 am
by jrgbfc
Can't imagine people running the leagues/referees are too impressed either. If people don't appreciate the chance to play at a decent ground just play the finals on a council pitch in future.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 9:58 am
by Goliath
This is why decent footballers don't want to play Sunday league football. It's just a bunch of racist thugs usually who can't control their own tempers and kick anyone better than them.
Good players have to play on 4g where they get a decent surface and you don't get prats flying into tackles to make up for their ineptitude

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:14 am
by Clive 1960
it was worse in 70s when i played because you got away with it some really bad tackles that you never got booked unless you throwing punches then you had to go off , i think the tackle on Casper by Hunter at Leeds i think went unpunished..

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:19 am
by jrgbfc
Goliath wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 9:58 am
This is why decent footballers don't want to play Sunday league football. It's just a bunch of racist thugs usually who can't control their own tempers and kick anyone better than them.
Good players have to play on 4g where they get a decent surface and you don't get prats flying into tackles to make up for their ineptitude
Tbf i think most of the trouble at these games has been caused by people going to watch.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:27 am
by Jamesy
Goliath wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 9:58 am
This is why decent footballers don't want to play Sunday league football. It's just a bunch of racist thugs usually who can't control their own tempers and kick anyone better than them.
Good players have to play on 4g where they get a decent surface and you don't get prats flying into tackles to make up for their ineptitude
Racist thugs? On what do you base that on?
There is and has always been an element of thuggery in Sunday League football, even when I played back in the 70’s.
As another poster said, this latest unfortunate bout of aggro probably started amongst the two sets of supporters watching it.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:34 am
by bfcjg
When I played Sunday league in the late 70s and early 80's you just knew the thug teams and thug players and just hoped you got through the game still able to work Monday morning or not end up in A and E. It was just systematic of football in those days and went right through to division 1 ie Wimbledon. Hopefully now teams concentrate on technique and skill but since I stopped watching Sunday league decades ago am I just being naive ?

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:35 am
by Raconteur
Goliath wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 9:58 am
This is why decent footballers don't want to play Sunday league football. It's just a bunch of racist thugs usually who can't control their own tempers and kick anyone better than them.
Good players have to play on 4g where they get a decent surface and you don't get prats flying into tackles to make up for their ineptitude
Quite a bizarre take!

Surely it was supporters causing trouble not the players?
What's rasism got to do with anything?

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:40 am
by Goliath
Jamesy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:27 am
Racist thugs? On what do you base that on?
There is and has always been an element of thuggery in Sunday League football, even when I played back in the 70’s.
As another poster said, this latest unfortunate bout of aggro probably started amongst the two sets of supporters watching it.
From playing in those leagues. Some of the changing room conversation is a disgrace and I wanted no part of it in the end. There's a team called Paak Fc in one of the leagues, you can imagine the comments aimed at them and about them on a weekly basis.
(I'm aware that racism formed no part in the story I was just adding my own observations about the type of people playing in these leagues)

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:42 am
by wilks_bfc
Jamesy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:27 am
Racist thugs? On what do you base that on?
There is and has always been an element of thuggery in Sunday League football, even when I played back in the 70’s.
As another poster said, this latest unfortunate bout of aggro probably started amongst the two sets of supporters watching it.
I could be wrong in Goliath assumption, but he may be alluding to the ethnic backgrounds of the teams playing

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:43 am
by Clovius Boofus
I feel sorry for those who put the hours in running Padiham. They really don't need this. Twice in two weeks isn't a good look, especially for football at this level. Seeing how the police have been called to both of them, authorities at quite a few levels will now be looking into this.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:45 am
by Goliath
Raconteur wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:35 am
Quite a bizarre take!

Surely it was supporters causing trouble not the players?
What's rasism got to do with anything?
It's quite naive to think the supporters of these teams aren't usually good friends of the players with similar behaviours..sheep mentality. They will all be having a laugh about it I'm sure.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:46 am
by Goliath
wilks_bfc wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:42 am
I could be wrong in Goliath assumption, but he may be alluding to the ethnic backgrounds of the teams playing
Wrong end of the stick there. I was just stating my own observations of Sunday league football in the last 2 or 3 years. I've no idea about the ethnicities of the 2 teams involved.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:49 am
by Goliath
bfcjg wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:34 am
When I played Sunday league in the late 70s and early 80's you just knew the thug teams and thug players and just hoped you got through the game still able to work Monday morning or not end up in A and E. It was just systematic of football in those days and went right through to division 1 ie Wimbledon. Hopefully now teams concentrate on technique and skill but since I stopped watching Sunday league decades ago am I just being naive ?
I imagine it's slightly better than those days but it's nowhere near acceptable.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:53 am
by Jamesy
wilks_bfc wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:42 am
I could be wrong in Goliath assumption, but he may be alluding to the ethnic backgrounds of the teams playing
I’m fully aware of the ethnic backgrounds of the teams. However, if tensions are running high on the pitch and supporters start fighting on the touch line why are we bringing racism into it?
It was a major fall out with two sets of supporters and players, not good but just that.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:01 am
by Goliath
Jamesy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:53 am
I’m fully aware of the ethnic backgrounds of the teams. However, if tensions are running high on the pitch and supporters start fighting on the touch line why are we bringing racism into it?
It was a major fall out with two sets of supporters and players, not good but just that.
So the teams were of different ethnic backgrounds?

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:07 am
by taio
Bizarre that ethnicity has been brought into it.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:36 am
by Jamesy
taio wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:07 am
Bizarre that ethnicity has been brought into it.
Ask the bloke who first mentioned it higher up the thread.

I merely questioned why someone brought racism into it after a large scale punch up between two sets of supporters and players?

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:39 am
by taio
Jamesy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:36 am
Ask the bloke who first mentioned it higher up the thread.

I merely questioned why someone brought racism into it after a large scale punch up between two sets of supporters and players?
I wasn't referring to your posts

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:39 am
by Jamesy
Goliath wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:01 am
So the teams were of different ethnic backgrounds?
Ask Wilks. You mentioned racist thugs so he probably assumed you already knew.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:41 am
by Goliath
Jamesy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:39 am
Ask Wilks. You mentioned racist thugs so he probably assumed you already knew.
I've no clue. Was just commenting on my experiences in Sunday league football.
Let's say I wouldn't be surprised

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:42 am
by Jamesy
taio wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:39 am
I wasn't referring to your posts
Ok fair enough.

It would be good however if we just accepted it was probably another football match where it got heated on the pitch and amongst the crowd and a major brawl broke out.
It isn’t good, and unfortunate for Padiham having two serious incidents in the last week. No place for behaviour like this in amateur football.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:43 am
by Jamesy
Goliath wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:41 am
I've no clue. Was just commenting on my experiences in Sunday league football.
Let's say I wouldn't be surprised
No problem.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:11 pm
by gingerpele
I was watching a game between Williams Bar and Danehouse up at Upper Townley early this year and it was a competive game with good banter until this big lump with one brain cell for Dane house came on as a sub and floored the centre half off the ball and had only been on minutes,obviously he got a red card and was looking for afters with the Williams supporters on his way to an early bath or not.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:29 pm
by Jamesy
gingerpele wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:11 pm
I was watching a game between Williams Bar and Danehouse up at Upper Townley early this year and it was a competive game with good banter until this big lump with one brain cell for Dane house came on as a sub and floored the centre half off the ball and had only been on minutes,obviously he got a red card and was looking for afters with the Williams supporters on his way to an early bath or not.
Not good.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:29 pm
by wilks_bfc
I apologise to all for making that assumption, but I wasn’t the one that brought race into it initially.

I was assuming that with it being Daneshouse, who incidentally are a fantastically run club doing lots for the community, people would be aware that it is a predominantly Asian club

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:34 pm
by pushpinpussy
This is embarrassing and unfortunately the fault of Padiham FC as if they want to have finals etc played on their patch then they need to steward matters better and be more professional.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:37 pm
by Jamesy
pushpinpussy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:34 pm
This is embarrassing and unfortunately the fault of Padiham FC as if they want to have finals etc played on their patch then they need to steward matters better and be more professional.
Easier said than done. If you have got several dozen grown men intent on having a brawl then half a dozen stewards wouldn’t be able to keep order.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:48 pm
by Goodclaret
I understand a few of the comments regarding some of the teams mentioned but the trouble between us (Barlick) and Feniscowles was nothing to do with ethnicity. Every game played against these lot has resulted in some form of bother; I'm not saying Barlick are totally innocent but last week was fuelled by Feniscowles and there absolute thugish behaviour on the pitch which led to the scenes after the game. It does appear that Feniscowles have been kicked out of the EL league off the back of it and the chairman resigned straight after the trouble. The guy who attacked people with a screwdriver (who was already tagged!) will hopefully back behind bars for some time.

Such a shame for Padiham, who do a great thing in offering the facilities for the finals, then to be linked (unfairly) to the trouble. Every time I've visited it appears a very well run and friendly club; always enjoyed my days out there. I hope it doesn't put them off offering again but could understand it if they think it's not worth the bother.

Re: Trouble at Arbories

Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 12:54 pm
by pushpinpussy
Jamesy wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:37 pm
Easier said than done. If you have got several dozen grown men intent on having a brawl then half a dozen stewards wouldn’t be able to keep order.
Trained stewards are their to maintain crowd safety throughout the game and possibly their presence might prevent the disorder happening initially.