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Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:05 pm
by jedi_master
He’s just been on with a live interview. Whether he’s trustworthy or not on all aspects, worrying stuff stated. Off the top of my head:
- Kompany wants to go if *any* opportunity at a perceived higher level appears.
- Kompany concerned that another season in The Championship won’t be as easy, will not be good for his profile and will have to make a load of sales.
- Pace incredibly naive in having a relationship more like siblings than operationally superior/subordinate. Had absolutely no expectation of any chance that Kompany could leave.
- Pace apparently claimed to Sacha in their private conversation that the speculation about Robins and so on was to bring an ‘assistant’ in to ‘help’ Kompany. Quite a bizarre assessment.
- Benson will 100% be leaving, as will Zaroury. Expects Al-Dakhil and Tresor to stay.
Lots more stated, but those were the things I remember.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:06 pm
by CoolClaret
Seemed like he was making (most) of it up as he went along in all honesty.
Bloody journos.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:07 pm
by Pickles
I thought he said he thinks Zaroury will stay.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:07 pm
by jedi_master
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:06 pm
Seemed like he was making (most) of it up as he went along in all honesty.
Bloody journos.
Hasten to add, I got the same feeling at times. Clearly he has some sort of relationship with Kompany’s camp (and he did speak to Alan Pace a couple of days ago, as we know) but he definitely plays to the audience!
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:08 pm
by jedi_master
Pickles wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:07 pm
I thought he said he thinks Zaroury will stay.
I may have misinterpreted - I took it that he said “Yes for sure he’s speaking to his agency” when asked if Zaroury was also leaving.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:09 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:05 pm
He’s just been on with a live interview. Whether he’s trustworthy or not on all aspects, worrying stuff stated. Off the top of my head:
- Kompany wants to go if *any* opportunity at a perceived higher level appears.
- Kompany concerned that another season in The Championship won’t be as easy, will not be good for his profile and will have to make a load of sales.
- Pace incredibly naive in having a relationship more like siblings than operationally superior/subordinate. Had absolutely no expectation of any chance that Kompany could leave.
- Pace apparently claimed to Sacha in their private conversation that the speculation about Robins and so on was to bring an ‘assistant’ in to ‘help’ Kompany. Quite a bizarre assessment.
- Benson will 100% be leaving, as will Zaroury. Expects Al-Dakhil and Tresor to stay.
Lots more stated, but those were the things I remember.
So it sounds like there is an interest in Robins then haha.
All of this is pretty concerning reading.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:09 pm
by Pickles
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:08 pm
I may have misinterpreted - I took it that he said “Yes for sure he’s speaking to his agency” when asked if Zaroury was also leaving.
Yes you're right but I think he followed it with thinking he'll stay.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:10 pm
by agreenwood
Bit odd that. If he’s genuinely been told any of that, it’s a bit strange that he’s just given all that away on someone else’s podcast.
He does come across as a bit of a social media wannabe to be honest.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:10 pm
by jedi_master
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:09 pm
So it sounds like there is an interest in Robins then haha.
All of this is pretty concerning reading.
No, he mentioned no names on the interview to be clear (I say Robins purely as that was the guy he originally tweeted about).
Just a very odd thing to suggest that Alan Pace has contacted Mark Robins (or people like him) to ask them to leave their jobs and ‘assist’ Vincent Kompany. Surely absolute and utter ********, yet he claimed that’s what Alan Pace explicitly stated to him a matter of days ago.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:13 pm
by jedi_master
agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:10 pm
Bit odd that. If he’s genuinely been told any of that, it’s a bit strange that he’s just given all that away on someone else’s podcast.
100%
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:15 pm
by agreenwood
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:10 pm
No, he mentioned no names on the interview to be clear (I say Robins purely as that was the guy he originally tweeted about).
Just a very odd thing to suggest that Alan Pace has contacted Mark Robins (or people like him) to ask them to leave their jobs and ‘assist’ Vincent Kompany. Surely absolute and utter ********, yet he claimed that’s what Alan Pace explicitly stated to him a matter of days ago.
So you’ve got two choices. You either believe that Pace a) thinks he can tease a Championship manager out of job to become an assistant at another Championship club AND b) is happy to disclose that in a phone call to a transfer rumour peddler on social media OR you believe the social media personality is full of ****. Up to you.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:23 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Can’t believe for one second Alan pace would give information to Sacha that we wanted robins as an assistant, if he did and Sacha has let it all out that’s his relationship ruined
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:26 pm
by RVclaret
Sacha has led all of the attention in the last year get to his head and is a proper Fab Ronano wannabe.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:28 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
What is weird about this is Sacha only seems to know about the Belgian players. If he was VK’s pet reporter (which I suspected) he would be given titbits about all kinds of players. More likely he is close to a player or agent, and they won’t be fully in the loop. So I’ll take it with a pinch of salt.
Feels certain VK will go however. Feels like he has concluded he cannot do what he wants to do with this calibre of player.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:28 pm
by daveisaclaret
Think it's still pretty feasible he has the inside track on Benson and Zaroury but otherwise aye, fantasist.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:29 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
Fake News
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:31 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
I can’t actually believe Sacha actually went on a podcast and spoke the way he did about a club owner and give information not opinions
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:32 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:26 pm
Sacha has led all of the attention in the last year get to his head and is a proper Fab Ronano wannabe.
Not sure what this is saying but hasn’t he been fairly reliable in relation to us?
He seems pretty spot on when it comes to anything Belgium.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:34 pm
by Swizzlestick
Considering he’s willingly spilled the contents of a no doubt meant to be private phone conversation between himself and Pace (which he’s probably misinterpreted), I wouldn’t trust the guy as far as I could throw him.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:34 pm
by jedi_master
I don’t disagree with the fantasist assessments from daveisaclaret/RVclaret etc - my one concern either way is quite simple:
Why is our owner replying with memes and gifs on social media and then making personal phone calls to relay *information of some sort* to such an individual?
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:35 pm
by NewClaret
The bit about Robins makes no sense at all.
For a start, there’s no way on earth Pace would trust a journalist he’s already called a liar with such sensitive information and secondly there’s no way at all that Robins would come here to be Kompany’s assistant. Sounds like he’s trying to explain away some crazy stuff he’s made up.
On Benson, this is the same guy who said he was leaving all last transfer window and that didn’t happen either.
Guess we’ll just have to Wait&See
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:38 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
One week we want robins to replace kompany and now Sacha is saying pace told him he wanted robins to help kompany hahaha people cannot take this guy serious
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:38 pm
by jedi_master
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:35 pm
Guess we’ll just have to Wait&See
I see what you did there
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:39 pm
by agreenwood
Was going to listen to it on my way to work tomorrow. Doesn’t sound like it’s worth bothering.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:40 pm
by Swizzlestick
The memes were something of nothing and I highly doubt he was relaying information. What would be the point? More likely Sacha was asking a leading question or brought it up himself. Sounds like a chancer trying to get a following.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:40 pm
by NewClaret
agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:39 pm
Was going to listen to it on my way to work tomorrow. Doesn’t sound like it’s worth bothering.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:41 pm
by RVclaret
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:32 pm
Not sure what this is saying but hasn’t he been fairly reliable in relation to us?
He seems pretty spot on when it comes to anything Belgium.
He’s had some insight on Benson and Zaroury, that’s about it. Although his story on them chopped and changed a lot in January. Was behind the curve (HLN) on Tresor, Cullen and Foster. He then posts his EXCLUSIVES which seems to get fans on X all excited without realising the story started somewhere else.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:42 pm
by NewClaret
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:38 pm
One week we want robins to replace kompany and now Sacha is saying pace told him he wanted robins to help kompany hahaha people cannot take this guy serious
Don’t think he realises how flip flopping on his story about this stuff makes him look.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:42 pm
by RVclaret
agreenwood wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:39 pm
Was going to listen to it on my way to work tomorrow. Doesn’t sound like it’s worth bothering.
So you don’t want to hear Simon run with Sacha’s story and label Kompany the next Owen Coyle?
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:44 pm
by ClaretAL
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:32 pm
Not sure what this is saying but hasn’t he been fairly reliable in relation to us?
He seems pretty spot on when it comes to anything Belgium.
I have read your posts since the club took a downturn following better performances, and suddenly you become more active, most of which being your usual negative approach to the club. Why don’t you keep to a message board you actually support rather then this one where you don’t have a right word for ?
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:44 pm
by agreenwood
Bob Faesen and David Van den Broeck were the two Belgian journos who seemed to get most of the Burnley-related stories first when we did all of that shopping in Belgium.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:47 pm
by Raconteur
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:35 pm
The bit about Robins makes no sense at all.
For a start, there’s no way on earth Pace would trust a journalist he’s already called a liar with such sensitive information and secondly there’s no way at all that Robins would come here to be Kompany’s assistant. Sounds like he’s trying to explain away some crazy stuff he’s made up.
On Benson, this is the same guy who said he was leaving all last transfer window and that didn’t happen either.
Guess we’ll just have to Wait&See
From watching the pod, i don't think Sacha said Pace was sounding out Robins to come in as assistant.
Robins was mentioned by Sacha in the original tweet.
Pace has then said they were looking for an assistant to come in to help Kompany but never stated that it was Robins.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:48 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Cheers for posting as it’s saved me wasting time listening to what sounds like mostly drivel from a ‘journalist’ pretending ‘he’s in the know’.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:50 pm
by JohnMcGreal
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:34 pm
I don’t disagree with the fantasist assessments from daveisaclaret/RVclaret etc - my one concern either way is quite simple:
Why is our owner replying with memes and gifs on social media and then making personal phone calls to relay *information of some sort* to such an individual?
The only rational explanation is that he's out of his depth in the world of elite level football and doesn't really know what he's doing.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:51 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:42 pm
Don’t think he realises how flip flopping on his story about this stuff makes him look.
I understand there’s a language barrier but any journo that has to keep saying ‘I can give you my source’ or wants crediting for everything is abit of a beg
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:52 pm
by NewClaret
Raconteur wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:47 pm
From watching the pod, i don't think Sacha said Pace was sounding out Robins to come in as assistant.
Robins was mentioned by Sacha in the original tweet.
Pace has then said they were looking for an assistant to come in to help Kompany but never stated that it was Robins.
Fair enough, misinterpreted this part:
- Pace apparently claimed to Sacha in their private conversation that the speculation
about Robins and so on was to bring an ‘assistant’ in to ‘help’ Kompany.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:52 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Raconteur wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:47 pm
From watching the pod, i don't think Sacha said Pace was sounding out Robins to come in as assistant.
Robins was mentioned by Sacha in the original tweet.
Pace has then said they were looking for an assistant to come in to help Kompany but never stated that it was Robins.
The stuff he said about Pace is scary hahaha he clearly didn’t realise what was coming out his mouth
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:54 pm
by NewClaret
ClaretAL wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:44 pm
I have read your posts since the club took a downturn following better performances, and suddenly you become more active, most of which being your usual negative approach to the club. Why don’t you keep to a message board you actually support rather then this one where you don’t have a right word for ?
He’s just “disconnected” at the moment
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:55 pm
by NewClaret
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:52 pm
The stuff he said about Pace is scary hahaha he clearly didn’t realise what was coming out his mouth
Did he not claim an exclusive that Kompany was in talks with Bayern?
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:00 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:55 pm
Did he not claim an exclusive that Kompany was in talks with Bayern?
No didn’t hear him say that
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:00 pm
by Raconteur
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:52 pm
Fair enough, misinterpreted this part:
- Pace apparently claimed to Sacha in their private conversation that the speculation
about Robins and so on was to bring an ‘assistant’ in to ‘help’ Kompany.
From what i have been told from someone close to the club is that Pace looking to bring in another assistant to help out is true. They also told me that Pace wasn't looking for an older head and experience but another name. The name was Ashley Cole as mentioned in the original tweet.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:01 pm
by Quickenthetempo
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:41 pm
He’s had some insight on Benson and Zaroury, that’s about it. Although his story on them chopped and changed a lot in January. Was behind the curve (HLN) on Tresor, Cullen and Foster. He then posts his EXCLUSIVES which seems to get fans on X all excited without realising the story started somewhere else.
He's obviously a rumours journo like Nixon, who get all their info through agents.
No surprise their loan deals weren't straight forward, championship clubs just haven't got the money to get deals done quickly.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:02 pm
by Pearcey
Christ. It’s all a bit embarrassing really. The clubs turning into a social media soap opera.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:02 pm
by jedi_master
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:52 pm
Fair enough, misinterpreted this part:
- Pace apparently claimed to Sacha in their private conversation that the speculation
about Robins and so on was to bring an ‘assistant’ in to ‘help’ Kompany.
In fairness, as I said further up - he didn’t explicitly state ‘Robins’ but he was talking about his tweet that prompted Pace to ring him up (which…was about Robins!). He just said it wasn’t about looking at potential VK replacements but to find someone to assist him. It was the oddest section of a very odd interview.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:03 pm
by CoolClaret
Pearcey wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 9:02 pm
Christ. It’s all a bit embarrassing really. The clubs turning into a social media soap opera.
It is isn't it. Not into this at all.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:04 pm
by morninbob
I do believe that kompany is looking for a way out, Sasha may talk a lot of shite, but the Bayern link is real.
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:06 pm
by Vegas Claret
We've gone from the best season we've ever had in the Championship to being an absolute car crash in the space of 12 months
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:07 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
morninbob wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 9:04 pm
I do believe that kompany is looking for a way out, Sasha may talk a lot of shite, but the Bayern link is real.
Bloody hell did it take for Sacha on bee hole end for you to figure out Bayern link is real? Hahaha where have you been for last 24hrs
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:07 pm
by CoolClaret
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 9:06 pm
We've gone from the best season we've ever had in the Championship to being an absolute car crash in the space of 12 months
The American way! Thought you'd have been used to that Vegas!
Re: Sacha Tovolieri - From the Beehole End
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:10 pm
by NewClaret
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 9:02 pm
In fairness, as I said further up - he didn’t explicitly state ‘Robins’ but he was talking about his tweet that prompted Pace to ring him up (which…was about Robins!). He just said it wasn’t about looking at potential VK replacements but to find someone to assist him. It was the oddest section of a very odd interview.
Wasn’t having a go, was just explaining what I’d misunderstood
