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JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 8:54 am
by Ashingtonclaret46
Rather long but interesting piece about VAR and officials.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/insider/sto ... 4?_nocache
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:00 am
by Rick_Muller
that list is far from complete - Villa away and Luton at home both missing
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:05 am
by ClaretTony
A few against us but the red cards at Chelsea and Everton can't be translated into points lost. The two worst decisions though were the two against Luton and Forest that cost us four points.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:06 am
by ClaretTony
Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:00 am
that list is far from complete - Villa away and Luton at home both missing
Both mentioned - agreed not enough for VAR to intervene but both incorrect
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:13 am
by beddie
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:05 am
A few against us but the red cards at Chelsea and Everton can't be translated into points lost. The two worst decisions though were the two against Luton and Forest that cost us four points.
Agree 100%. The Luton one at home still bugs me. Even if the referee thought it was a “coming together” surely VAR look at it anyway to check the build up to it etc, you can clearly see from all the angles that Trafford was almost assaulted and at that point they should have intervened. I’m getting angry now thinking about it.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:21 am
by Rick_Muller
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:06 am
Both mentioned - agreed not enough for VAR to intervene but both incorrect
Thanks CT - I should have read on further down the article
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 10:26 am
by Owdsyker
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:05 am
A few against us but the red cards at Chelsea and Everton can't be translated into points lost. The two worst decisions though were the two against Luton and Forest that cost us four points.
Not only did they lose us 4 points, they were 4 points lost against our nearest rivals who gained 2 points as a result.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:25 pm
by dsr
The thing that makes no sense at all is that they say there were 11 major errors in Burnley games (2 in our favour, 9 against) but only 4 of them should have been corrected by VAR. VAR reviewed the other 7 and "correctly" allowed them to stand even though they were wrong.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:35 pm
by quoonbeatz
Saying that a decision was wrong but it was correct not to overturn it is the epitome of shooting themselves in the foot. That is probably the most stupid thing I've heard come from the var people. Absolutely ridiculous and unequivocal proof that it should be binned immediately. What a farce.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:54 pm
by RVclaret
quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:35 pm
Saying that a decision was wrong but it was correct not to overturn it is the epitome of shooting themselves in the foot. That is probably the most stupid thing I've heard come from the var people. Absolutely ridiculous and unequivocal proof that it should be binned immediately. What a farce.
Well at the least the new directive for VAR next season, replacing ‘clear and obvious’ with ‘clearly wrong’, in order to change decisions, will be helpful.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:57 pm
by dsr
RVclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:54 pm
Well at the least the new directive for VAR next season, replacing ‘clear and obvious’ with ‘clearly wrong’, in order to change decisions, will be helpful.
I bet it won't. There will still be referees giving penalties for the most blatant of dives, and there will still be VAR officials saying "it isn't clearly wrong because there was contact".
The penalty farce will go on until they get referees together and explain that a trip means someone has fallen over because of another man's actions. As it stands now, they believe that a trip is any instance of a man landing on the floor after touching someone.
Re: JUst how VARcical has this season been?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 2:59 pm
by RVclaret
dsr wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:57 pm
I bet it won't. There will still be referees giving penalties for the most blatant of dives, and there will still be VAR officials saying "it isn't clearly wrong because there was contact".
The penalty farce will go on until they get referees together and explain that a trip means someone has fallen over because of another man's actions. As it stands now, they believe that a trip is any instance of a man landing on the floor after touching someone.
You missed my sarcasm in that post! Btw I fully agree here.