EFL Championship 24/25

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Blackburn
Bristol City
Burnley
Cardiff
Coventry
Derby
Hull
Leeds
Luton
Middlesboro
Millwall
Norwich
Oxford
Plymouth
Portsmouth
Preston
QPR
Sheffield Utd
Sheffield Wednesday
Stoke
Sunderland
Swansea
Watford
West Brom

[nil_desperandum]

So that's us on TV away at Leeds then as the first match of the season.

[Claretnick]

No wonder VK didn't fancy it ..on paper looks a very tough league .
Leeds early favourites for the title....

[jrgbfc]

Some great away days there.

[AmbleClaret]

We'll walk it apparently.

[kentonclaret]

It’ll be total failure if the new manager doesn’t romp that league with at least 101 points.

According to some on here

[AGENT_CLARET]

No wonder VK didn't fancy it ..on paper looks a very tough league .
Leeds early favourites for the title....

Tough ????? Not one single team better than us in this league

[Claretnick]

Tough ????? Not one single team better than us in this league

I did say on paper...

[Nonayforever]

We are in the play offs before a ball has been kicked.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I did say on paper...

We play on grass not paper

[Bosscat]

We play on grass not paper

Better hope the Drugs testers stay away then

[agreenwood]

It was going to be tough according to some last time we were in it.

Truth is, until it starts, nobody has a clue.

[MrTopTier]

McKenna got a league one team to the Premier league.

Get the manager right and we will be fine.

[Ric_C]

Best way of doing this is going through each team and asking yourself "will we finish above them?"

The only iffy one is Leeds for me, but there is a lot to get sorted before the start of the season for both clubs

[Darnhill Claret]

If Luton hang onto their better players 12 /1 might look big.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Can't wait, proper football and away days.

Come on Burnley!

[kentonclaret]

McKenna got a league one team to the Premier league.

Get the manager right and we will be fine.

If the head of the Ineos group washes his hands of Ten Haag he may find himself in the Old Trafford hot seat.

[Devils_Advocate]

Would be brilliant if Burnley and Leeds can both finish top two and wouldn't be bothered which one of us came top

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Would be brilliant if Burnley can finish top, and Leeds and Blackburn in the bottom two, and wouldn’t be bothered which of them finished bottom.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Top 6 - in no particular order -
Burnley
Luton
Leeds
Sheff U
Norwich
West Brom

[GetIntoEm]

I think you're wrong about Luton, I think they'll be closer to the bottom than the top.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Top Six in no particular order

Burnley
Coventry
Middlesboro
Leeds
Norwich
West Brom

[ijkay]

what sort of prices do you think we will pay

[jlup1980]

Some big clubs in their this year. It'll be tougher than last time but the play offs should be the minimum expectation. Our recent history in the Championship is ridiculous though, no wonder people are confident.

13-14: P46, W26, D15, L5, 93 points
15-16: P46, W26, D15, L5, 93 points
22-23: P46, W29, D14, L3, 101 points

So we've only lost 13 times in our last 138 Championship games - just incredible. Leicester lost 11 this season and won the league.

[FCBurnley]

McKenna got a league one team to the Premier league.

Get the manager right and we will be fine.

But if we get it wrong ?

[FCBurnley]

Would be brilliant if Burnley and Leeds can both finish top two and wouldn't be bothered which one of us came top

Leeds owe how much ???

[AGENT_CLARET]

But if we get it wrong ?

But if we get it right ?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Some big clubs in their this year. It'll be tougher than last time but the play offs should be the minimum expectation. Our recent history in the Championship is ridiculous though, no wonder people are confident.

13-14: P46, W26, D15, L5, 93 points
15-16: P46, W26, D15, L5, 93 points
22-23: P46, W29, D14, L3, 101 points

So we've only lost 13 times in our last 138 Championship games - just incredible. Leicester lost 11 this season and won the league.

I think it's 13 from 146 games (8 from a previous season) incredible stat

[ClaretTony]

I think it's 13 from 146 games (8 from a previous season) incredible stat

It’s 141 - Cardiff, Wolves & Ipswich at end of 2012/13 after losing at Leeds.

[gawthorpe_view]

So that's us on TV away at Leeds then as the first match of the season.

Nah, Rooney away 1st match, TV love in for ex Prem Burnley and Wayne.

[nil_desperandum]

Nah, Rooney away 1st match, TV love in for ex Prem Burnley and Wayne.

Forgot about Rooney.
So, Leeds v Portsmouth it is.

[jlup1980]

It’s 141 - Cardiff, Wolves & Ipswich at end of 2012/13 after losing at Leeds.

There can't be many better records than that at Championship level surely? It's such a competitive league, it's rare clubs get less than 10 defeats in a season (only Ipswich this season), never mind 13 over three. One loss every 11 games over three seasons... ludicrous.

[Goliath]

It’s 141 - Cardiff, Wolves & Ipswich at end of 2012/13 after losing at Leeds.

And what an important 3 game run that was. That David Edgar injury time goal v Cardiff may well have saved Dyche's managerial career.

Also just looked at our results from around then, it's surprising how well Paterson did at the end of that season when in competition with Ings and Austin.
He must regret his decision to leave as he was perfectly suited to Dyches football.

[ClaretTony]

And what an important 3 game run that was. That David Edgar injury time goal v Cardiff may well have saved Dyche's managerial career.

Also just looked at our results from around then, it's surprising how well Paterson did at the end of that season when in competition with Ings and Austin.
He must regret his decision to leave as he was perfectly suited to Dyches football.

As it turned out we didn’t need those seven points but getting them took us into the top half. That was the time that Wallace & Marney took pay cuts. Paterson & Grant opted to leave.

[Goliath]

As it turned out we didn’t need those seven points but getting them took us into the top half. That was the time that Wallace & Marney took pay cuts. Paterson & Grant opted to leave.

Hadn't realised that. The Edgar goal felt huge at the time along with Ings at Wolves. We cut it a bit fine that year before we started picking up results again.

It might have tipped the board over the edge on keeping Dyche if he hadn't won those games though. He was far from popular at the time.

[ClaretTony]

Hadn't realised that. The Edgar goal felt huge at the time along with Ings at Wolves. We cut it a bit fine that year before we started picking up results again.

It might have tipped the board over the edge on keeping Dyche if he hadn't won those games though. He was far from popular at the time.

And yet we finished with 61 points, one point less than the previous season but two places higher. The only difference was that 41 points would have kept you up in 2011/12 but it needed 55 in 2012/13 although we'd have stayed up on goal difference with 54.

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[Goliath]

And yet we finished with 61 points, one point less than the previous season but two places higher. The only difference was that 41 points would have kept you up in 2011/12 but it needed 55 in 2012/13 although we'd have stayed up on goal difference with 54.

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Yep although we were as high as 7th at one point under Dyche that season if I remember rightly and looked to be making a play off push.
We then completely collapsed culminating in those dreadful home games against Barnsley, Hull and I think there was a third.

[ClaretTony]

Yep although we were as high as 7th at one point under Dyche that season if I remember rightly and looked to be making a play off push.
We then completely collapsed culminating in those dreadful home games against Barnsley, Hull and I think there was a third.

Middlesbrough 0-0
Huddersfield 0-1
Barnsley 1-1
Hull 0-1

One of the players at the time told a friend of mine that the problems were brought about because players were being offered lesser deals than they were on and it led to a lot of unrest. It needed those players to move on and to be replaced by free transfers to get things moving forward.

If you look at the link, we got up to 7th in Jan and Feb after games against Millwall and Peterborough.

[matttheclaret]

Middlesbrough 0-0
Huddersfield 0-1
Barnsley 1-1
Hull 0-1

One of the players at the time told a friend of mine that the problems were brought about because players were being offered lesser deals than they were on and it led to a lot of unrest. It needed those players to move on and to be replaced by free transfers to get things moving forward.

If you look at the link, we got up to 7th in Jan and Feb after games against Millwall and Peterborough.

4 consecutive midweeks weren't they those games? Absolutely torture to watch. Thankfully things certainly got better!

[ClaretTony]

4 consecutive midweeks weren't they those games? Absolutely torture to watch. Thankfully things certainly got better!

They were - three Tuesdays and then a Monday for Hull on TV. There was one more horror show to come at Leeds, we were dire that night but since that game, as mentioned on this thread, it's 13 defeats in 141 in the Championship. That really is some astonishing record.

[Goliath]

They were - three Tuesdays and then a Monday for Hull on TV. There was one more horror show to come at Leeds, we were dire that night but since that game, as mentioned on this thread, it's 13 defeats in 141 in the Championship. That really is some astonishing record.

It was quite the turn around that summer. I didn't see Dyche lasting long. I remember Shackell refusing to speak to the press after that Leeds game, which the local journalists weren't happy about. We probably underestimate how big a turn around he had to make that Summer to then finish in the top 2.

[matttheclaret]

It was quite the turn around that summer. I didn't see Dyche lasting long. I remember Shackell refusing to speak to the press after that Leeds game, which the local journalists weren't happy about. We probably underestimate how big a turn around he had to make that Summer to then finish in the top 2.

The signings that summer were crucial - Heaton, Jones, Arfield all on free transfers, all brilliant for us. Getting Marney to sign a new deal on reduced terms, think most of us would have been fine with him leaving that summer but became a really important player for us.

Then of course Ings and Vokes. Nobody could have predicted they'd do what they did. Remarkable season

[ClaretTony]

It was quite the turn around that summer. I didn't see Dyche lasting long. I remember Shackell refusing to speak to the press after that Leeds game, which the local journalists weren't happy about. We probably underestimate how big a turn around he had to make that Summer to then finish in the top 2.

The changes weren't that big though.

He brought in Tom Heaton
The back four was the same as in the previous season, the back four that was shipping goals for fun under Eddie Howe
He brought in Scott Arfield, David Jones and Michael Kightly
He had two strikers in Sam Vokes and Danny Ings having lost Charlie Austin

but he had a squad that was now united and a team that was organised.

[ClaretTony]

I remember his quote (one he used often to be fair) when we sold Austin two days before the season. "It's an opportunity for someone else," Dyche said positively.

Our two strikers, Ings and Vokes, had scored a total of 12 goals between them when that season kicked off. That partnership was vital as was the one between Marney and Jones in midfield.

[Goliath]

The changes weren't that big though.

He brought in Tom Heaton
The back four was the same as in the previous season, the back four that was shipping goals for fun under Eddie Howe
He brought in Scott Arfield, David Jones and Michael Kightly
He had two strikers in Sam Vokes and Danny Ings having lost Charlie Austin

but he had a squad that was now united and a team that was organised.

In terms of feeling around the club. It felt completely toxic at the end of the season and he managed to shake that off even with the sale of Austin. It was brilliant management really to create that positive environment, it definitely helped getting the best out of the players we had.

[ClaretTony]

In terms of feeling around the club. It felt completely toxic at the end of the season and he managed to shake that off even with the sale of Austin. It was brilliant management really to create that positive environment, it definitely helped getting the best out of the players we had.

You need everyone pulling in the right direction and that seemed to happen once those players leaving at the end of 2012/13 departed. Look at the three free signings though, Tom a real leader in the dressing room who eventually became captain, David Jones for me such a key player and then Scotty Arfield who gave us so much more than we could have ever imagined. Released by Huddersfield, he looked to be moving into League Two when we brought him in.

[Goliath]

You need everyone pulling in the right direction and that seemed to happen once those players leaving at the end of 2012/13 departed. Look at the three free signings though, Tom a real leader in the dressing room who eventually became captain, David Jones for me such a key player and then Scotty Arfield who gave us so much more than we could have ever imagined. Released by Huddersfield, he looked to be moving into League Two when we brought him in.

I can't say I was too enamoured when we signed Arfield. How wrong I was, he was brilliant technically.
Don't forget Kightly as well, he wasn't flashy but another who played an important role.

[ClaretTony]

I can't say I was too enamoured when we signed Arfield. How wrong I was, he was brilliant technically.
Don't forget Kightly as well, he wasn't flashy but another who played an important role.

I liked Kightly and those who sit near me on the Turf will recall my usual phrase of "He gets us up the pitch." We were very fortunate to get him too in that loan deal. Some good work I'm told by then CEO Lee Hoos got that one over the line.

[wilks_bfc]

I can't say I was too enamoured when we signed Arfield. How wrong I was, he was brilliant technically.
Don't forget Kightly as well, he wasn't flashy but another who played an important role.

It was effectively a “swap” for Arfield with Paterson going to Huddersfield

Wonder what those Huddersfield fans that were saying they had the better end of the deal were saying at the end of the season

[ClaretTony]

It was effectively a “swap” for Arfield with Paterson going to Huddersfield

Wonder what those Huddersfield fans that were saying they had the better end of the deal were saying at the end of the season

A goalscoring midfielder for a non-goalscoring striker. Pato only scored five goals for Huddersfield and two of those were on the Turf when we beat them 3-2.