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..on paper looks a very tough league .
Tough ????? Not one single team better than us in this leagueClaretnick wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:59 pmNo wonder VK didn't fancy it
Leeds early favourites for the title....
I did say on paper...AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:07 pmTough ????? Not one single team better than us in this league
We play on grass not paper
Better hope the Drugs testers stay away then
Leeds owe how much ???Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:24 amWould be brilliant if Burnley and Leeds can both finish top two and wouldn't be bothered which one of us came top
I think it's 13 from 146 games (8 from a previous season) incredible statjlup1980 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:37 pmSome big clubs in their this year. It'll be tougher than last time but the play offs should be the minimum expectation. Our recent history in the Championship is ridiculous though, no wonder people are confident.
13-14: P46, W26, D15, L5, 93 points
15-16: P46, W26, D15, L5, 93 points
22-23: P46, W29, D14, L3, 101 points
So we've only lost 13 times in our last 138 Championship games - just incredible. Leicester lost 11 this season and won the league.
It’s 141 - Cardiff, Wolves & Ipswich at end of 2012/13 after losing at Leeds.AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 1:06 pmI think it's 13 from 146 games (8 from a previous season) incredible stat
Nah, Rooney away 1st match, TV love in for ex Prem Burnley and Wayne.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:56 pmSo that's us on TV away at Leeds then as the first match of the season.
Forgot about Rooney.gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 2:40 pmNah, Rooney away 1st match, TV love in for ex Prem Burnley and Wayne.
There can't be many better records than that at Championship level surely? It's such a competitive league, it's rare clubs get less than 10 defeats in a season (only Ipswich this season), never mind 13 over three. One loss every 11 games over three seasons... ludicrous.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 1:45 pmIt’s 141 - Cardiff, Wolves & Ipswich at end of 2012/13 after losing at Leeds.
And what an important 3 game run that was. That David Edgar injury time goal v Cardiff may well have saved Dyche's managerial career.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 1:45 pmIt’s 141 - Cardiff, Wolves & Ipswich at end of 2012/13 after losing at Leeds.
As it turned out we didn’t need those seven points but getting them took us into the top half. That was the time that Wallace & Marney took pay cuts. Paterson & Grant opted to leave.Goliath wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:28 pmAnd what an important 3 game run that was. That David Edgar injury time goal v Cardiff may well have saved Dyche's managerial career.
Also just looked at our results from around then, it's surprising how well Paterson did at the end of that season when in competition with Ings and Austin.
He must regret his decision to leave as he was perfectly suited to Dyches football.
Hadn't realised that. The Edgar goal felt huge at the time along with Ings at Wolves. We cut it a bit fine that year before we started picking up results again.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:16 pmAs it turned out we didn’t need those seven points but getting them took us into the top half. That was the time that Wallace & Marney took pay cuts. Paterson & Grant opted to leave.
And yet we finished with 61 points, one point less than the previous season but two places higher. The only difference was that 41 points would have kept you up in 2011/12 but it needed 55 in 2012/13 although we'd have stayed up on goal difference with 54.Goliath wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:20 pmHadn't realised that. The Edgar goal felt huge at the time along with Ings at Wolves. We cut it a bit fine that year before we started picking up results again.
It might have tipped the board over the edge on keeping Dyche if he hadn't won those games though. He was far from popular at the time.
Yep although we were as high as 7th at one point under Dyche that season if I remember rightly and looked to be making a play off push.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 8:35 amAnd yet we finished with 61 points, one point less than the previous season but two places higher. The only difference was that 41 points would have kept you up in 2011/12 but it needed 55 in 2012/13 although we'd have stayed up on goal difference with 54.
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Middlesbrough 0-0Goliath wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:04 amYep although we were as high as 7th at one point under Dyche that season if I remember rightly and looked to be making a play off push.
We then completely collapsed culminating in those dreadful home games against Barnsley, Hull and I think there was a third.
4 consecutive midweeks weren't they those games? Absolutely torture to watch. Thankfully things certainly got better!ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:08 amMiddlesbrough 0-0
Huddersfield 0-1
Barnsley 1-1
Hull 0-1
One of the players at the time told a friend of mine that the problems were brought about because players were being offered lesser deals than they were on and it led to a lot of unrest. It needed those players to move on and to be replaced by free transfers to get things moving forward.
If you look at the link, we got up to 7th in Jan and Feb after games against Millwall and Peterborough.
They were - three Tuesdays and then a Monday for Hull on TV. There was one more horror show to come at Leeds, we were dire that night but since that game, as mentioned on this thread, it's 13 defeats in 141 in the Championship. That really is some astonishing record.matttheclaret wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:14 am4 consecutive midweeks weren't they those games? Absolutely torture to watch. Thankfully things certainly got better!
It was quite the turn around that summer. I didn't see Dyche lasting long. I remember Shackell refusing to speak to the press after that Leeds game, which the local journalists weren't happy about. We probably underestimate how big a turn around he had to make that Summer to then finish in the top 2.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:18 amThey were - three Tuesdays and then a Monday for Hull on TV. There was one more horror show to come at Leeds, we were dire that night but since that game, as mentioned on this thread, it's 13 defeats in 141 in the Championship. That really is some astonishing record.
The signings that summer were crucial - Heaton, Jones, Arfield all on free transfers, all brilliant for us. Getting Marney to sign a new deal on reduced terms, think most of us would have been fine with him leaving that summer but became a really important player for us.Goliath wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:21 amIt was quite the turn around that summer. I didn't see Dyche lasting long. I remember Shackell refusing to speak to the press after that Leeds game, which the local journalists weren't happy about. We probably underestimate how big a turn around he had to make that Summer to then finish in the top 2.
The changes weren't that big though.Goliath wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:21 amIt was quite the turn around that summer. I didn't see Dyche lasting long. I remember Shackell refusing to speak to the press after that Leeds game, which the local journalists weren't happy about. We probably underestimate how big a turn around he had to make that Summer to then finish in the top 2.
In terms of feeling around the club. It felt completely toxic at the end of the season and he managed to shake that off even with the sale of Austin. It was brilliant management really to create that positive environment, it definitely helped getting the best out of the players we had.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:31 amThe changes weren't that big though.
He brought in Tom Heaton
The back four was the same as in the previous season, the back four that was shipping goals for fun under Eddie Howe
He brought in Scott Arfield, David Jones and Michael Kightly
He had two strikers in Sam Vokes and Danny Ings having lost Charlie Austin
but he had a squad that was now united and a team that was organised.
You need everyone pulling in the right direction and that seemed to happen once those players leaving at the end of 2012/13 departed. Look at the three free signings though, Tom a real leader in the dressing room who eventually became captain, David Jones for me such a key player and then Scotty Arfield who gave us so much more than we could have ever imagined. Released by Huddersfield, he looked to be moving into League Two when we brought him in.Goliath wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:49 amIn terms of feeling around the club. It felt completely toxic at the end of the season and he managed to shake that off even with the sale of Austin. It was brilliant management really to create that positive environment, it definitely helped getting the best out of the players we had.
I can't say I was too enamoured when we signed Arfield. How wrong I was, he was brilliant technically.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:56 amYou need everyone pulling in the right direction and that seemed to happen once those players leaving at the end of 2012/13 departed. Look at the three free signings though, Tom a real leader in the dressing room who eventually became captain, David Jones for me such a key player and then Scotty Arfield who gave us so much more than we could have ever imagined. Released by Huddersfield, he looked to be moving into League Two when we brought him in.
I liked Kightly and those who sit near me on the Turf will recall my usual phrase of "He gets us up the pitch." We were very fortunate to get him too in that loan deal. Some good work I'm told by then CEO Lee Hoos got that one over the line.
It was effectively a “swap” for Arfield with Paterson going to Huddersfield
A goalscoring midfielder for a non-goalscoring striker. Pato only scored five goals for Huddersfield and two of those were on the Turf when we beat them 3-2.