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Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:04 am
by PremierLeagueClass
As a club we must have one of the best track records in appointing managers out there. I can’t think of a single club to rival it.
One bad appointment since the turn of the century in Laws.
In that time we’ve sacked two managers I think? Laws and Dyche?
At this level, that is unbelievable. Watford can beat that in a single season, and by Christmas.
Let’s hope to continue the streak.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:16 am
by Clovius Boofus
We landed lucky with Dyche. He was here for 10 years or so, and we really did punch well above our weight with him at the helm. In the end, he was undone when he was starved of the limited funds he had to work with.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:27 am
by Down_Rover
Even Laws was the best of a sorry bunch of applicants.
The board cannot be blamed for this error
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:29 am
by Down_Rover
Jury out on a few others however
Bond
Cavanagh
Buchan
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:35 am
by LincsWoldsClaret
The board did pretty well with Laws - they had a matter of days to find a manager with a Burnley connection and get him in place before the transfer window closed. Then he bought Dean Marney - so not all bad
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:36 am
by Culmclaret
Bond was much better than the other two
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:38 am
by PremierLeagueClass
Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 9:16 am
We landed lucky with Dyche. He was here for 10 years or so, and we really did punch well above our weight with him at the helm. In the end, he was undone when he was starved of the limited funds he had to work with.
And to say he was sacked is misleading really given he’s the best of the lot.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:49 am
by warksclaret
Add to that the job Cotterill did when we were skint, and the period under Howe when we brought in some amazing talent at little or no cost (I appreciate some poor buys too). Lets hope the trend continues
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:51 am
by Vincent'sCap
Waddle.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:52 am
by Claretmisterg
We have had two managers this century in Stan (ok, apppointed in the previous century but managed in this) and Dyche who really moved the club forward and are true Clarets legends. Another two, VK and Coyle, each gave us one fantastic season followed by disappointment. Cotterill and Howe were certainly not failures but I would not call them resounding successes either. Laws gets a lot of stick but it was very much a case of after the Lord Mayor’s show. So all-in-all I agree we’ve done well with the appointments made.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 10:00 am
by PremierLeagueClass
This century, so Stan onwards.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 10:20 am
by andyh
Down_Rover wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 9:29 am
Jury out on a few others however
Bond
Cavanagh
Buchan
No it isn’t. The last two of those were dreadful… and you forgot Benson.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 10:25 am
by JimmyRobbo
Claretmisterg wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 9:52 am
We have had two managers this century in Stan (ok, apppointed in the previous century but managed in this) and Dyche who really moved the club forward and are true Clarets legends. Another two, VK and Coyle, each gave us one fantastic season followed by disappointment. Cotterill and Howe were certainly not failures but I would not call them resounding successes either. Laws gets a lot of stick but it was very much a case of after the Lord Mayor’s show. So all-in-all I agree we’ve done well with the appointments made.
An accurate summary of the last 20-25 years, in my opinion. We have a tendency to get carried away with emotions but I pretty much agree with this overview.
Our aapointments have been remarkably fruitful.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 10:45 am
by Poulton-le-Claret
It is a really good point and for all the talk about VK in or out, we are generally a more loyal bunch to our managers than most fan bases. Other stadiums would have been totally toxic by January if they were having the season we just had.
Let's hope the next appointment is a good fit for the club
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 11:08 am
by Down_Rover
andyh wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 10:20 am
No it isn’t. The last two of those were dreadful… and you forgot Benson.
I was just pointing out that they weren’t all good. Agree I forgot Benson
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 11:09 am
by Down_Rover
andyh wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 10:20 am
No it isn’t. The last two of those were dreadful… and you forgot Benson.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 11:15 am
by ClaretTony
andyh wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 10:20 am
No it isn’t. The last two of those were dreadful… and you forgot Benson.
Spot on - Benson and Cavanagh should never, ever have been given the job
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 11:17 am
by bfcjg
I think Cavanagh in particular was our worst ever managerial appointment.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 11:37 am
by ClaretTony
bfcjg wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 11:17 am
I think Cavanagh in particular was our worst ever managerial appointment.
I'd put him second to Benson and both only got the job because they were here when the managers who brought them in left.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 11:47 am
by Healeywoodclaret
Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 10:45 am
It is a really good point and for all the talk about VK in or out, we are generally a more loyal bunch to our managers than most fan bases. Other stadiums would have been totally toxic by January if they were having the season we just had.
Let's hope the next appointment is a good fit for the club
Straight question …… do we think VK was a good fit for our Club?
I was never in favour of him and in truth he was always going to use the Club as a stepping stone. He never intended staying in it for the long haul. I had to eat humble pie after last season. But it really has been a tale of two seasons and I would say he has been extremely lucky. I’m amazed Bayern Munich have him on their hit list never mind the top of their hit list!
Yes……. Let’s hope for a new manager who can do a good job …. And one who is a good fit!
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 12:05 pm
by Clovius Boofus
To be fair, any young manager coming here is using our club as a stepping stone to better things. And you can't blame anyone for going to Bayern Munich. Many of the current bunch of EPL managers would jump at the job. Dyche would have ditched us too, and not for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He would have ditched us for a club like the one he is currently managing, and I, for one, wouldn't have held it against him.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm
by bfcjg
Who can ever forget the Martin Buchan shambles ?
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 12:52 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Healeywoodclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 11:47 am
Straight question …… do we think VK was a good fit for our Club?
I was never in favour of him and in truth he was always going to use the Club as a stepping stone. He never intended staying in it for the long haul. I had to eat humble pie after last season. But it really has been a tale of two seasons and I would say he has been extremely lucky. I’m amazed Bayern Munich have him on their hit list never mind the top of their hit list!
Yes……. Let’s hope for a new manager who can do a good job …. And one who is a good fit!
He’ll either do really well at Bayern or be gone by Christmas , can’t see him doing a middling job as he thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread. Definitely backs himself.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 1:28 pm
by Burnley Ace
bfcjg wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm
Who can ever forget the Martin Buchan shambles ?
The resignation after he was spat on by fans at Chester?
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 1:40 pm
by bfcmik
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:52 pm
He’ll either do really well at Bayern or be gone by Christmas , can’t see him doing a middling job as he thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread. Definitely backs himself.
He did a reasonable job for us the season we were the one of the best teams in the division
Not so good when we weren't but that isn't what he'll have at Bayern.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 1:49 pm
by Vegas Claret
sshhh
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 1:58 pm
by Pearcey
Laws was the only bad appointment since the turn of the century for me although he did sign Marney. As much as I don’t like how VK has acted, he rebuilt us and blew the championship away. Shame he went on to undo it all.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:13 pm
by Corway
Laws got a very rough deal.
Coyle took the whole back room staff leaving him nothing and little time to fix it. He also took two loan players due to come to us in January Stuart Holden and Jack Wilshere to Bolton instead.
Laws had a week to appoint backroom staff and find players willing to come to club destined for relegation and form a team spirit when he was undermined by senior players who should have known better.
Had we beaten Wigan instead of losing we would have
survived.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:18 pm
by bfcjg
Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 1:28 pm
The resignation after he was spat on by fans at Chester?
Didn't he have a set to with one of the players ? Not sure about the Chester thing.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:26 pm
by Jamesy
bfcjg wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:34 pm
Who can ever forget the Martin Buchan shambles ?
I remember going down the Centre Spot when Buchan was appointed for a meet the manager fans forum. I bet Tony was there too. I wasn’t too optimistic after leaving the forum he was the man for the job but expected him to last a bit longer than he did.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:31 pm
by Jamesy
One name not mentioned on this thread as yet is Jimmy Mullen. He was instrumental in putting our famous old club back on the map.
A great appointment in my view.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:33 pm
by bfcjg
Jamesy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:26 pm
I remember going down the Centre Spot when Buchan was appointed for a meet the manager fans forum. I bet Tony was there too. I wasn’t too optimistic after leaving the forum he was the man for the job but expected him to last a bit longer than he did.
I went to yhat, came out with the usual clichés, sleeping giant, no longer a rest home, back to where we belong etc etc, I remember thinking where I have i heard all this before...oh yes from all the previous failed managers.
Re: Track record in appointing managers
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 2:40 pm
by Burnley Ace
bfcjg wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:18 pm
Didn't he have a set to with one of the players ? Not sure about the Chester thing.
Possibly however I think the last straw was away at Chester (we lost 4-0) and as he was walking down the “tunnel” someone spat in his face. I think he resigned after that match.