Callum Styles

[aggi]

I vaguely remember him as, at the time, one who got (or rather was given) away.

Hadn't really followed him since then until a Hungarian friend sent me this article today. Seems he'll be at the Euros for Hungary this summer.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ar ... -euro-2024

[ecc]

Fair play to him.

Picked up an injury on Saturday. Hope it's not serious.

[ClaretTony]

It was back in 2016 that we opted not to offer him a scholarship. I know the staff in the youth department at the time were stunned that he wasn't taken on by Jason Blake who was then in charge. He went to Bury and by the end of that season had debuted for the first team and become the first person born in the 21st century to play league football.

He was at Sunderland in the second half of last season and has now played over 200 Football League games.

I'm not sure where the Hungary link came from but he's won over 20 caps for them now.

[Goliath]

It was back in 2016 that we opted not to offer him a scholarship. I know the staff in the youth department at the time were stunned that he wasn't taken on by Jason Blake who was then in charge. He went to Bury and by the end of that season had debuted for the first team and become the first person born in the 21st century to play league football.

He was at Sunderland in the second half of last season and has now played over 200 Football League games.

I'm not sure where the Hungary link came from but he's won over 20 caps for them now.

I read some very uncomplimentary things about him from Sunderland fans so he may well have reached his level.
Possibly not as big a mistake as many initially feared.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Same age as Dwight McNeil, think he can be happy with that decision.

[ecc]

His grandmother is Hungarian.

[ClaretTony]

I read some very uncomplimentary things about him from Sunderland fans so he may well have reached his level.
Possibly not as big a mistake as many initially feared.

Not what I heard from my mate. He said he started slowly but then stepped things up.

[ŽižkovClaret]

He'll fit in up in Sunderland being called Callum. I swear its the most common name for the average N.E dwelling delinquent youth

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... i-11638099

[Rowls]

I read some very uncomplimentary things about him from Sunderland fans so he may well have reached his level.
Possibly not as big a mistake as many initially feared.

He was sold for £500,000 in 2018. Think about how many youth team coaches that could have paid for. It's not all about whether they make our first team.

[Goliath]

He was sold for £500,000 in 2018. Think about how many youth team coaches that could have paid for. It's not all about whether they make our first team.

I agree, I said not as big a mistake. At one point it looked like he was going to the Premier league for millions. His progress seems to have plateaued and he looks destined to be a good Championship player.
I doubt he'd ever have been good enough for our team in the last 10 years.

We made a similar mistake with Marc Pugh years back but people reacted to that with more understanding. Largely because of personal opinions about the people who made the respective decisions.

[ClaretTony]

I agree, I said not as big a mistake. At one point it looked like he was going to the Premier league for millions. His progress seems to have plateaued and he looks destined to be a good Championship player.
I doubt he'd ever have been good enough for our team in the last 10 years.

We made a similar mistake with Marc Pugh years back but people reacted to that with more understanding. Largely because of personal opinions about the people who made the respective decisions.

It’s not relevant whether he’d have made our first team but we would in all likelihood have made some money out of him.

Marc Pugh wasn’t really a mistake at all. He went downwards from Burnley, even into non-league before moving to Bournemouth. Pughy had a great career in the end but Bournemouth were the only club to pay money for him and that was just £100,000. He spent just one season at a higher level than us.

[Kebsclaret]

Had quite a good season at Millwall, they almost made the playoffs.

Struggling a bit with injuries this year, hope he’s ok for the Euros.

[Goliath]

It’s not relevant whether he’d have made our first team but we would in all likelihood have made some money out of him.

Marc Pugh wasn’t really a mistake at all. He went downwards from Burnley, even into non-league before moving to Bournemouth. Pughy had a great career in the end but Bournemouth were the only club to pay money for him and that was just £100,000. He spent just one season at a higher level than us.

Pugh was banging them in for fun at youth level. I'm not sure how one can be a mistake but the other isn't.
As you said its not relevant whether he'd have made our first team when I said Styles probably wouldn't have, I'm not sure why it's suddenly relevant with Pugh.

I think the same mistake was made with both, the minor cost of keeping them on board was well worth it for the potential they had. But it seems like some people's errors maybe forgiven more easily than others.

Just for comparison Pugh played 67 PL games with 6 goals, Styles is currently on 0. But Styles was the only mistake?

[ClaretTony]

Pugh was banging them in for fun at youth level. I'm not sure how one can be a mistake but the other isn't.
As you said its not relevant whether he'd have made our first team when I said Styles probably wouldn't have, I'm not sure why it's suddenly relevant with Pugh.

I think the same mistake was made with both, the minor cost of keeping them on board was well worth it for the potential they had. But it seems like some people's errors maybe forgiven more easily than others.

Just for comparison Pugh played 67 PL games with 6 goals, Styles is currently on 0. But Styles was the only mistake?

One hell of a difference, Styles was a schoolboy and wasn't awarded a scholarship. Pugh was 19 and to keep him would have meant offering him a professional contract with a place in the first team squad. On leaving Pugh spent the next seven seasons playing for Kidderminster (Conference), Bury (League Two), Shrewsbury (League Two), Luton (League Two), Hereford (League One) and Bournemouth (League One) during which time he moved for a total of £100,000 in transfer fees.

When Howe came to Burnley he was asked about whether he would be interested in signing Pugh back for us and basically said he was at his level at League One although to be fair to Pughy he did really well after that playing in the Championship and Premier League for Burnley.

Had we offered Styles a scholarship, the cost to us would have been minimal. Had we offered Pugh a professional deal, the cost to us would have been significant for a player who, looking at it, would not have been getting games in our first team. The £100,000 he went for eventually would not have been a good return for a player who we'd have had to pay for around seven years.

Totally different scenarios.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Pugh was banging them in for fun at youth level. I'm not sure how one can be a mistake but the other isn't.
As you said its not relevant whether he'd have made our first team when I said Styles probably wouldn't have, I'm not sure why it's suddenly relevant with Pugh.

I think the same mistake was made with both, the minor cost of keeping them on board was well worth it for the potential they had. But it seems like some people's errors maybe forgiven more easily than others.

Just for comparison Pugh played 67 PL games with 6 goals, Styles is currently on 0. But Styles was the only mistake?

Pugh was 19 when he left, it then took him 8 years to play a single league game in the Championship. There is a huge step from youth football to the Championship

[Inchy]

He was sold for £500,000 in 2018. Think about how many youth team coaches that could have paid for. It's not all about whether they make our first team.

Even if we had sold him for 500k, which is very unlikely unless he had some fantastic loans as he wouldnt have ever got near thr first team, it would not be 500k profit.

Even if he was on only 2k a week on a 3 year deal (would have to be tied into at least a 3 year deal to get 500k), that would be over 300k on wages.

It wasn’t a massive mistake letting him go and it appears to have been the best move for him for sure

[Goliath]

One hell of a difference, Styles was a schoolboy and wasn't awarded a scholarship. Pugh was 19 and to keep him would have meant offering him a professional contract with a place in the first team squad. On leaving Pugh spent the next seven seasons playing for Kidderminster (Conference), Bury (League Two), Shrewsbury (League Two), Luton (League Two), Hereford (League One) and Bournemouth (League One) during which time he moved for a total of £100,000 in transfer fees.

When Howe came to Burnley he was asked about whether he would be interested in signing Pugh back for us and basically said he was at his level at League One although to be fair to Pughy he did really well after that playing in the Championship and Premier League for Burnley.

Had we offered Styles a scholarship, the cost to us would have been minimal. Had we offered Pugh a professional deal, the cost to us would have been significant for a player who, looking at it, would not have been getting games in our first team. The £100,000 he went for eventually would not have been a good return for a player who we'd have had to pay for around seven years.

Totally different scenarios.

Let's not pretend there would have been a huge cost to keep Pugh. It would have been a couple of grand a week in wages. He then would have got that experience out on loan.

Instead we scrambled around saying rubbish like Karl Birmingham and Dean Bowditch along with others.

[ClaretTony]

Let's not pretend there would have been a huge cost to keep Pugh. It would have been a couple of grand a week in wages. He then would have got that experience out on loan.

Instead we scrambled around saying rubbish like Karl Birmingham and Dean Bowditch along with others.

They were here before Pugh left. Given that Pugh didn’t make an appearance at our level for seven years after leaving it was unquestionably the correct decision to let him go.

Keeping Styles at Burnley for two years would have cost us precious little.

As I have said, totally different scenarios.

[spt_claret]

Even if we had sold him for 500k, which is very unlikely unless he had some fantastic loans as he wouldnt have ever got near thr first team, it would not be 500k profit.

Even if he was on only 2k a week on a 3 year deal (would have to be tied into at least a 3 year deal to get 500k), that would be over 300k on wages.

It wasn’t a massive mistake letting him go and it appears to have been the best move for him for sure

I do and don't agree.
Hindsight is 20/20, very easy to say we should have kept him and I understand why. But it'd have been another Josh Benson/Jimmy Dunne- barely plays, loaned out, we might have got 500k, might have got more because of our greater stature as the parent club, might have got less because of his lesser importance to us.
It is important to retain players that aren't necessarily going to play for a PL/upper championship Burnley because if they can be moved on for profit that's still a useful contribution to the club, but it can be hard to tell when someone you retain is going to fit into that category of "good enough to sell for a small profit but not good enough for us". A lot of people figured Wes Fletcher, Alex MacDonald, and Shay McCartan would fall into this. I thought Michael King, Mehdi Lazaar and Neal Trotman all could too. When Ntumba Massanka was 18-19 I thought he'd be one. None were. So yes, in hindsight we should have given Styles a deal and loaned him out but there's no guarantee how it'd have worked out for us.

[ClaretTony]

Even if we had sold him for 500k, which is very unlikely unless he had some fantastic loans as he wouldnt have ever got near thr first team, it would not be 500k profit.

Even if he was on only 2k a week on a 3 year deal (would have to be tied into at least a 3 year deal to get 500k), that would be over 300k on wages.

It wasn’t a massive mistake letting him go and it appears to have been the best move for him for sure

He'd have been on a two year scholarship, not a pro deal.