• Worsley Cup Semi Final Draw

Posted: **Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:55 am**

The draw for the semi finals of the Worsley Cup was made this morning:

Draw for the semi final of the JW Lees Worsley Cup:

Burnley or Todmorden v Greenmount

Lowerhouse v Haslingden

The winner of the Lowerhouse v Haslingden tie will host the Final.

Posted: **Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:26 pm**

Great draw for The House especially with the prospect of hosting the final.

UTH

Posted: **Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:35 pm**

If House get to the final will that be 4 years on the trot?

Posted: **Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:36 pm**

No, 3 out of 4.

Posted: **Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:36 pm**

2023 Final Lowerhouse v Littleborough
2022 Final Ramsbottom v Rochdale
2021 Final Clitheroe v Lowerhouse

Posted: **Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:37 pm**

Still a tough game against Haslingden, but a hell of a lot of incentive to win that one now.

Fingers crossed for the nice weather!

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:02 am**

If it's a House v CPCC final then Frank & co will need to ensure there are plenty of dustbins near the changing rooms for the CPCC players to throw their runners up trophys into. Was overflowing last time

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:01 pm**

Hassy won’t need a team talk if they have read this thread…

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:10 pm**

Haslingden will be out to avenge this historic day.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:21 pm**

If Lowerhouse host the final how does the gate and catering/bar takings get split Just asking for a friend

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:26 pm**

Gate gets divided equally between both clubs in the semis and final. League take some of the final money too IIRC.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:37 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:26 pm
Gate gets divided equally between both clubs in the semis and final. League take some of the final money too IIRC.

I'd imagine a final at Lowerhouse would make the most money out of any other options.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:39 pm**

Should just have it at Lowerhouse every year tbf

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:40 pm**

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:37 pm
I'd imagine a final at Lowerhouse would make the most money out of any other options.

We do hold the highest gates records, beating our own last.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:50 pm**

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:37 pm
I'd imagine a final at Lowerhouse would make the most money out of any other options.

It's not just about making money.

It's a chance to show off the best of the league. Whoever has the best ground/facilities/pitches should hold the finals.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:50 pm
It's not just about making money.

It's a chance to show off the best of the league. Whoever has the best ground/facilities/pitches should hold the finals.

Should be one of the two teams in the final at least. They deserved to get there and deserve to have their day.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:16 pm**

But who benefits from the catering and alcohol sales ? I suspect that is a major part of the revenue especially if the weather is good

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:17 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:16 pm
But who benefits from the catering and alcohol sales ? I suspect that is a major part of the revenue especially if the weather is good

The home team. It's the luck of the draw.

I know we gave all Littleborough members 20% discount at the bar if they showed their Littleborough members card in 2023.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:17 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm
Should be one of the two teams in the final at least. They deserved to get there and deserve to have their day.

I agree

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:21 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:17 pm
The home team. It's the luck of the draw.

I know we gave all Littleborough members 20% discount at the bar if they showed their Littleborough members card in 2023.

You need two teams for a final so don’t see why home team should keep the bulk of the revenue. They have the advantage of preparing a wicket to their benefit but all revenue should be shared imo

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:24 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:21 pm
You need two teams for a final so don’t see why home team should keep the bulk of the revenue. They have the advantage of preparing a wicket to their benefit but all revenue should be shared imo

Is that because if Burnley get it at home they know that the majority of the support will be away fans?

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:26 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:21 pm
You need two teams for a final so don’t see why home team should keep the bulk of the revenue. They have the advantage of preparing a wicket to their benefit but all revenue should be shared imo

Splitting the gate is fine but i don't see how you can justify splitting food/drink sales? The home club will have spent time and money over the years making the facilities what they are, and the away team just take 50% of the profit from the day's takings? Nope.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:29 pm**

Nobody mentioned 50%. The home club should receive a fee for staging the game plus a percentage of profits. Lots of ways to make sure both finalists benefit ( whoever they are )

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:30 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:29 pm
Nobody mentioned 50%. The home club should receive a fee for staging the game plus a percentage of profits. Lots of ways to make sure both finalists benefit ( whoever they are )

Well, you said "shared" and given it is 2 teams in the final, it wasn't an unreasonable assumption was it?

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:31 pm**

As said previously, they both split the gate.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:32 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:24 pm
Is that because if Burnley get it at home they know that the majority of the support will be away fans?

Your comment makes no sense especially as the draw has already decided who hosts the final

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:09 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:57 pm
Should be one of the two teams in the final at least. They deserved to get there and deserve to have their day.

I'm not a fan of it.

Although you would likely attract a bigger gate for the home club.
I just think it becomes a bigger occasion, that both clubs volunteers can enjoy instead of running around like blue arse flies.
It's fairer with no home advantage.

And the host club always go the extra mile to put a final on.

Imagine Premier league clubs asking for the fa cup final to be played at the home ground of one of the finalists to make more money?

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:11 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:09 pm
I'm not a fan of it.

Although you would likely attract a bigger gate for the home club.
I just think it becomes a bigger occasion, that both clubs volunteers can enjoy instead of running around like blue arse flies.
It's fairer with no home advantage.

And the host club always go the extra mile to put a final on.

Imagine Premier league clubs asking for the fa cup final to be played at the home ground of one of the finalists to make more money?

The comparison would work better if there was a cricket "Wembley". Which there isn't. The closest i guess would be if they held it at Old Trafford, but the costs involved would eat up much of the revenue by doing so.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:16 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:09 pm
I'm not a fan of it.

Although you would likely attract a bigger gate for the home club.
I just think it becomes a bigger occasion, that both clubs volunteers can enjoy instead of running around like blue arse flies.
It's fairer with no home advantage.

And the host club always go the extra mile to put a final on.

Imagine Premier league clubs asking for the fa cup final to be played at the home ground of one of the finalists to make more money?

We certainly have enjoyed previous finals, even with running round like blue arse flies. Its all about the preparation in the run up.

This isn't premier league football, its a local cricket league. The Lancashire League doesn't have a Wembley Stadium (or a completely neutral stadium), so that point of your argument is invalid. Imagine having a final at Tod, with Burnley and Nelson playing for example. It's pointless.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:18 pm**

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:11 pm
The comparison would work better if there was a cricket "Wembley". Which there isn't. The closest i guess would be if they held it at Old Trafford, but the costs involved would eat up much of the revenue by doing so.

Well, they play finals at Lords. Mainly neutral. Not sure if best venue?

I wonder if the new Lancashire cricket facility at Farrington is designed to host all the local league finals?

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:20 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:18 pm
Well, they play finals at Lords. Mainly neutral. Not sure if best venue?

I wonder if the new Lancashire cricket facility at Farrington is designed to host all the local league finals?

Can imagine everyone getting on their charabancs off to Lords for a Worsley Cup Final

Be like Chelsea away in the league cup all over again

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:25 pm**

Didn’t Lowerhouse once play in a final at Old Trafford ? Seem to remember lots of excitement until game was rained off. I might be wrong on the above

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:26 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:16 pm
We certainly have enjoyed previous finals, even with running round like blue arse flies. Its all about the preparation in the run up.

This isn't premier league football, its a local cricket league. The Lancashire League doesn't have a Wembley Stadium (or a completely neutral stadium), so that point of your argument is invalid. Imagine having a final at Tod, with Burnley and Nelson playing for example. It's pointless.

I understand your points, I've just a different opinion after seeing different ways to decide who host finals.

In the NWCL we do both.
The 20/20 finals day is hosted by one of the clubs playing.
But the cup final, you have to put your hat in the ring, showing your facilities with the league deciding the best host.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:27 pm**

I hope the appropriate ticket, travel and security arrangements will be put in place should the ‘House’ make the final again.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:28 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:25 pm
Didn’t Lowerhouse once play in a final at Old Trafford ? Seem to remember lots of excitement until game was rained off. I might be wrong on the above

Lancashire Cup Final - played 10 or so overs then it rained. Shared with Ormskirk in 2018.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:30 pm**

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:20 pm
Can imagine everyone getting on their charabancs off to Lords for a Worsley Cup Final

Be like Chelsea away in the league cup all over again

Local clubs have the chance to play at Lords in the National knockout.

Not sure the Lancs League enter that though?

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:31 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:30 pm
Local clubs have the chance to play at Lords in the National knockout.

Not sure the Lancs League enter that though?

No, they don't.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:34 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:30 pm
Local clubs have the chance to play at Lords in the National knockout.

Not sure the Lancs League enter that though?

We aren't talking about a national cup competition here though, are we? Can we stay on topic?

I get that i'm biased, as a Lowerhouse Member, but its selected at random from the semi finalists, and it's come up as Lowerhouse. Lowerhouse always put on a great day for what might possibly be the most possible number of people to come and check out a Lancashire League showpiece. Ther then might fancy coming to a regular game, and then onwards from there.

Given attendances across the league, that can't be a bad thing.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:39 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:26 pm
I understand your points, I've just a different opinion after seeing different ways to decide who host finals.

But the cup final, you have to put your hat in the ring, showing your facilities with the league deciding the best host.

Genuine question. In such a process, is any Lancs League club likely to hold a candle to how LHCC host a final?

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:45 pm**

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:39 pm
Genuine question. In such a process, is any Lancs League club likely to hold a candle to how LHCC host a final?

I would think most clubs in the Lancs League would be able to put a good show on for a cup final.

There's a few supporters on here who go to away games around the league, who could answer better.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:23 pm**

Are the Brown brothers still involved at Burnley? Very talented players in their younger days.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:28 pm**

Hopey wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:28 pm
Lancashire Cup Final - played 10 or so overs then it rained. Shared with Ormskirk in 2018.

Blimey, is it nearly 6 years since? To be fair, I think we were saved from
a good hammering that day. Didn't help that the beer was cr@p.

Shame all round really.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:04 pm**

Hold it at Burnley CC, split 50p between em

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:28 pm**

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:23 pm
Are the Brown brothers still involved at Burnley? Very talented players in their younger days.

Michael stopped years ago, David played a bit longer.

As you say, very good players and I think Michael might still be involved at BCC maybe even chairman but neither play.

As Jimmy Andersons mates I hoped they'd convince him to have a year as it would be brilliant for the league, but obviously that's highly unlikely as he's now that old he wouldn't be playing with his mates who have long since called it a day.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:34 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:45 pm
I would think most clubs in the Lancs League would be able to put a good show on for a cup final.

There's a few supporters on here who go to away games around the league, who could answer better.

believe it or not, I don't think there's that many that could, they simply don't have the experience of large events, I guess it depends on who's playing.

As has been said on here a few times before, its no surprise that the most successful clubs of the last 10 years are those that have a healthy bar so can host big events (away from cricket) hence they can pay for good coaches and pros, obviously a few that do well financially but not yet on the pitch.

There could be more but Lowerhouse, Burnley, Ramsbottom, Darwen, Clitheroe, Rishton, Enfield are the ones that spring to mind

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:02 pm**

Different things contribute to hosting a great cricket final. Number 1 on my list is to provide a wicket and outfield that gives both teams a good opportunity to showcase their skills to the max. Clearly nobody wants a feather bed track or a surface that has uneven bounce etc
Some spectators will have zero interest in the wicket but will certainly want huge quantities of great beer at rock bottom prices
Other will want comfortable seating with easy access for young and old alike
I wonder which ground currently has the best wickets and outfield (serious question as I have idea idea which is best )
Any suggestions

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:04 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:02 pm
Different things contribute to hosting a great cricket final. Number 1 on my list is to provide a wicket and outfield that gives both teams a good opportunity to showcase their skills to the max. Clearly nobody wants a feather bed track or a surface that has uneven bounce etc
Some spectators will have zero interest in the wicket but will certainly want huge quantities of great beer at rock bottom prices
Other will want comfortable seating with easy access for young and old alike
I wonder which ground currently has the best wickets and outfield (serious question as I have idea idea which is best )
Any suggestions

Probably Rammy then, maybe Tod.

Like you say, everyone wants a 250-300 wicket for a final but its usually our of your hands when the weather turns

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:15 pm**

I travel to most Lowerhouse away fixtures and I believe that with the prior notice virtually all the clubs could hold a Worsley Cup Final.

We hosted the 2004 final which was our first major event in recent years. A record gate was recorded and the day was a great success. Since then the experience has improved immensely. if a club was hosting their first final I'm sure that Lowerhouse would be more than willing to offer advice about how to put on the 'Big Show'.

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:25 pm**

Dressinggown wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:15 pm
I travel to most Lowerhouse away fixtures and I believe that with the prior notice virtually all the clubs could hold a Worsley Cup Final.

We hosted the 2004 final which was our first major event in recent years. A record gate was recorded and the day was a great success. Since then the experience has improved immensely. if a club was hosting their first final I'm sure that Lowerhouse would be more than willing to offer advice about how to put on the 'Big Show'.

Littleborough? Rawtenstall? I’m not sure mate

Posted: **Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:33 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:02 pm
Different things contribute to hosting a great cricket final. Number 1 on my list is to provide a wicket and outfield that gives both teams a good opportunity to showcase their skills to the max. Clearly nobody wants a feather bed track or a surface that has uneven bounce etc
Some spectators will have zero interest in the wicket but will certainly want huge quantities of great beer at rock bottom prices
Other will want comfortable seating with easy access for young and old alike
I wonder which ground currently has the best wickets and outfield (serious question as I have idea idea which is best )
Any suggestions

Middleton’s wicket and outfield was class a fortnight ago.

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