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Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:22 pm
by Jel
After watching the last 3 games we've played, there's not a cat in hells chance we're going to win. We may have a great squad, but we've got a poor team and I don't think Southgate has the ability to make them gel. Stranger things have happened and I hope I'm wrong, I doubt it though.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:28 pm
by Penwortham_Claret
It’s crazy that there’s not already a thread on the Euros
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:30 pm
by fatboy47
We dont have a great squad.Really, we dont.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:33 pm
by Jel
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:28 pm
It’s crazy that there’s not already a thread on the Euros
But that's diluted by everyone else, we're talking just England here.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:35 pm
by Jel
fatboy47 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:30 pm
We dont have a great squad.Really, we dont.
On paper we do! We supposedly have the best league in the world, and most of our players are part of it.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:39 pm
by TheFamilyCat
But that bloke with the piggy nose is there, so it's not all bad.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:39 pm
by Claret Toni
Not quite zero chance, just slightly more chance than the Jocks.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:40 pm
by Blyclaret
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:44 pm
by fatboy47
Jel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:35 pm
On paper we do!
Who's paper?
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:45 pm
by Jel
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:46 pm
by Jel
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:39 pm
But that bloke with the piggy nose is there, so it's not all bad.
?
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:50 pm
by Vino blanco
I’ve just posted on the Euro thread that I honestly think we would have a better chance if we sacked Southgate forthwith and replaced him with the woman who manages the Lionesses.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:52 pm
by Burnleyareback2
Dyche wins this tournament with the players available for England.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:52 pm
by KlyBfc
A tournament where there’s been lots of positive high pressing and it’s been decent to watch….. apart from England. A side who’s players are use to the high press week in week out but instead they are set up to sit back with isolated pressing and two banks attempting to counter when they’ve scored. Its completely alien to them and so frustrating.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:05 pm
by beddie
That’s the worst performance in a long time. Time for Southgate to be booted and let Eddie have a go.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:23 pm
by Robbie_painter
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:39 pm
But that bloke with the piggy nose is there, so it's not all bad.
Can’t believe you’re still able to post after your last attempt at humour.Prick.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:31 pm
by Joe14
Spain would annihilate England
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:32 pm
by Noblelight
I think we have a very good squad that is capable of winning this tournament. Unfortunately we have a manager who isn’t
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:24 pm
by Pickles
Jel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:35 pm
On paper we do! We supposedly have the best league in the world, and most of our players are part of it.
Impossible to call this a good squad when it doesn't include a fit left back. Weaknesses in central midfield and central defence. Some world class players but gaps elsewhere.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:28 pm
by ecc
Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:52 pm
Dyche wins this tournament with the players available for England.
Dyche would win this tournament...
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:27 am
by Swizzlestick
Dyche infamously good in cup competitions..
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:40 am
by Shaggy
Pickles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:24 pm
Impossible to call this a good squad when it doesn't include a fit left back. Weaknesses in central midfield and central defence. Some world class players but gaps elsewhere.
But who picked the squad.
If the system was tweaked anyway to play 3 at the back it would be better than shoehorning trippier in at left back.
Southgate is tactically inept and is as inspiring as a blob of wet concrete.
Regardless there’s enough talent there to beat anyone else at the tournament.
What will happen though is England will slide through until they meet their first good side and then the inevitable will happen in extra time or penalties.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:51 am
by Inchy
We have some of the best attacking players in the world, yet we play with two defensive midfielders.
We should be aiming to outscore teams and forget about being defensive
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:49 am
by Woodleyclaret
Southgate should have gone after the World Cup
He is a useless coach who struggles to get anything out of some of the best English players in a generation. But to suggest Eddie Howe; who remember bombed at Burnley, as a replacement is i a joke
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:56 am
by Burnley1989
I’d certainly not back this team based on recent performances! There’s a Burnley season ticket holder that needs England for £20k+ he’s has them in his bet builders for the past 12 months, with a few big races.
Think France also brings him a decent return.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:50 am
by Inchy
I think we will batter Slovenia as a back lash and realistically we are already through so Southgate can put an attacking team out. Then we will win the first knock out game with a descent performance. Then we will come across a half descent team and play defensive and get knocked out with a whimper. It’s too predictable
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:55 am
by TheFamilyCat
Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:56 am
I’d certainly not back this team based on recent performances! There’s a Burnley season ticket holder that needs England for £20k+ he’s has them in his bet builders for the past 12 months, with a few big races.
Think France also brings him a decent return.
He'd be wise to cash out.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:07 am
by Wile E Coyote
Of course england can win it !
all this slagging southgate nonsense is terrible. He has been a very good manager so he deserves credit for getting more out of his squad than umpteen previous coaches.
Its just become the thing to do thesedays, ridicule the bloke because england arent thrashing every team they face.
probably a mixture of Sun style journalism, talk sport dross, and drunken fans who havent a clue, but enjoy being seen throwing beer in the air in carefully choreographed celebrations.
they are all but through to the next section in top spot again, how is that not an achievement?
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:10 am
by RVclaret
Team v Slovenia has to be
————————Pickford
TAA———Stones———Guehi——Gomez
—————Wharton——Rice
Saka———-—Bellingham———-Gordon
—————-———Kane
It addresses several key issues
Balance: Wharton is two footed, primarily left, while Gomez can actually use his left foot, unlike Trippier. This creates better passing angles and makes retaining possession more natural, while now it’s forced.
Width: Gordon can play the role of providing the width we are missing on the left, this in turn allows more space for Kane to play in, with Bellingham, Saka and Gordon making runs beyond him
Better passers from deep: any team that wants to dominate the ball (which given our squad we should be doing) needs someone to be comfortable receiving the ball deep, playing on the half turn, fizzing simple balls quickly, one-two touch, Wharton offers that despite inexperience. Playing Trent at right back also allows better ball progression than Walker offers. Keeping in mind the above point of runners beyond Kane, Trent’s passing in behind will help create chances.
Round pegs, round holes: Rice played (and shone) alongside Jorginho (the 6, the sitte) all season at Arsenal, why’s he playing as a sole 6? His build up from deep is very basic and isn’t utilising his strength (aggressive ball winning & ball carrying). Foden is a wonderful player but without a genuine wing back it’s pointless playing him from the left unfortunately.
All these points and issues i’d addressed before heading into the Euros on the ‘pick your team’ thread, so it’s not been entirely surprising to see how we’ve played.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:17 am
by Benson
Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:07 am
Of course england can win it !
all this slagging southgate nonsense is terrible. He has been a very good manager so he deserves credit for getting more out of his squad than umpteen previous coaches.
Its just become the thing to do thesedays, ridicule the bloke because england arent thrashing every team they face.
probably a mixture of Sun style journalism, talk sport dross, and drunken fans who havent a clue, but enjoy being seen throwing beer in the air in carefully choreographed celebrations.
they are all but through to the next section in top spot again, how is that not an achievement?
Have you seen any of the games ?
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:19 am
by claretburns
Team for the rest of the tournament:
--------------------Pickford
Walker------Stones-------Guehi-------Dunk
-----------------------Rice----------
-------------------Bellingham
Saka----------------Foden--------------Gordon
----------------------Kane
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:20 am
by Pickles
Shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:40 am
But who picked the squad.
Southgate. I'm just saying... I'm not so sure it's as good of a squad as people are making out.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:09 am
by Claret Till I Die
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Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:29 am
by Inchy
I’d sack Southgate now, because this is tournament football and with him in charge we have no chance.
I’d offer Klopp a million quid to take charge and a 10 million bonus if we win.
I’m not even joking. England have a great chance of winning on paper, and zero chance with Southgate in charge, so sack him now
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:30 am
by Hipper
The problem is we are so awful to watch. I could only put up with the first half in each game. So I'm not going to watch them anymore.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:39 am
by South West Claret.
Having lost to Iceland pre-tournament I was amazed that England were considered favourites.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:41 am
by claretonthecoast1882
You'd imagine we were only the favourites to win it with our bookies.
Not for 1 minute do I think you could get a better on France than us in France
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:43 am
by Clovius Boofus
South West Claret. wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:39 am
Having lost to Iceland pre-tournament I was amazed that England were considered favourites.
Even before that, to be honest. Thing is, being one of the favourites is all about how much money the bookies have taken off mugs.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:45 am
by Caballo
Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:07 am
Of course england can win it !
all this slagging southgate nonsense is terrible. He has been a very good manager so he deserves credit for getting more out of his squad than umpteen previous coaches.
Its just become the thing to do thesedays, ridicule the bloke because england arent thrashing every team they face.
probably a mixture of Sun style journalism, talk sport dross, and drunken fans who havent a clue, but enjoy being seen throwing beer in the air in carefully choreographed celebrations.
they are all but through to the next section in top spot again, how is that not an achievement?
There no achievement in getting out the group, it's seeded, we're supposed to come top!
I do however agree England can still win it, but let's not pretend it's because of Southgates ability. Citing his record completely ignores the incredibly favourable draws we've had since his appointment, maybe he's a lucky manager? That might be enough.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:54 am
by Steve1956
Jel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:22 pm
After watching the last 3 games we've played, there's not a cat in hells chance we're going to win. We may have a great squad, but we've got a poor team and I don't think Southgate has the ability to make them gel. Stranger things have happened and I hope I'm wrong, I doubt it though.
I knew well before I watched our last 3 games we had zero chance of winning this,now I have seen Palmer sit on his arse for 180 minutes its been confirmed Southgate must go down in history as one of the poorest managers England have had in their history
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:59 am
by Clovius Boofus
Watching England under Southgate is like watching someone learning how to play chess. The hesitant rookie knows what the pieces are and their moves, but has no idea about how to implement a strategy in order to get the most out of his best pieces.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:03 am
by Steve1956
Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:59 am
Watching England under Southgate is like watching someone learning how to play chess. The hesitant rookie knows what the pieces are and their moves, but has no idea about how to implement a strategy in order to get the most out of his best pieces.
Southgate is more of a draughts player,I think he'd struggle to win at that.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:16 am
by expoultryboy
5 million a year and he waits for the tournament to start , before experimenting with his midfield !
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:21 am
by Steve1956
expoultryboy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:16 am
5 million a year and he waits for the tournament to start , before experimenting with his midfield !
Why didn't he just pick Kalvin Phillips he can't be any worse than what's there.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:21 am
by TheFamilyCat
Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:59 am
Watching England under Southgate is like watching someone learning how to play chess. The hesitant rookie knows what the pieces are and their moves, but has no idea about how to implement a strategy in order to get the most out of his best pieces.
My lad wanted a game of Fifa after the match. I'm useless with computer games and watching my players run round in circles as I randomly jabbed buttons felt very similar to game I'd just seen.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:42 am
by South West Claret.
I agree wholeheartedly with the thread’s title
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:24 am
by Rileybobs
Inchy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:29 am
I’d sack Southgate now, because this is tournament football and with him in charge we have no chance.
I’d offer Klopp a million quid to take charge and a 10 million bonus if we win.
I’m not even joking. England have a great chance of winning on paper, and zero chance with Southgate in charge, so sack him now
What a ridiculous idea.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:33 am
by Burnley Ace
Man Utd beat Man City to win the FA cup
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:35 am
by Burnley Ace
South West Claret. wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:39 am
Having lost to Iceland pre-tournament I was amazed that England were considered favourites.
Is that in the UK betting market or does that include other European markets? I can’t, for example, imagine many gamblers in Spain or Italy have us down as favourites.
Re: Zero chance England will win this tournament!
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:56 am
by Tricky Trevor
The Premier League is considered by some to be the best league in the world, it isn’t. The Bundesliga and La Liga are better. It is made what it is by quality foreign players who improve the English players around them. Walker & Stones are quality defenders all the rest, including Pickford, wouldn’t get near the Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal squads.
As a nation we sell out every time to the media hype. Then the media shame them for not doing better when they usually finish exactly where they deserve to be.
