Exciting player. Once he masters the art of defending properly he will then be the complete player.

Definitely not worth the money they are paying for him. Stinks of PSR loopholes

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:50 pm

Definitely not worth the money they are paying for him. Stinks of PSR loopholes

Surely that’s exactly what it is

So which Villa player will Chelsea be signing on Monday ?

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:58 pm

So which Villa player will Chelsea be signing on Monday ?

18 year old Omari Kellyman for a reported fee of £19 million.

Though the deal will have to be completed tomorrow as the PSR deadline is Sunday 30th June though deals cannot be processed on this date as it is not a working day.

£35m ish
Charlie was a far better defender-but you’re only worth what someone will pay for you

Operated in my opinion...Chelsea have had Villa's pants down.

Good luck to him. Still only 22 and has loads of potential.

claretburns wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:30 am

18 year old Omari Kellyman for a reported fee of £19 million.

Though the deal will have to be completed tomorrow as the PSR deadline is Sunday 30th June though deals cannot be processed on this date as it is not a working day.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/june/2 ... n-departs/

Already confirmed

whiffa wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:37 pm

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/june/2 ... n-departs/

Already confirmed

Like Maatsen and the two who switched between Everton & Villa, they are being used by clubs trying to get round the rules. Was mentioned last year that deals such as Cameron Archer (to Sheffield United) and Aaron Ramsey & James Trafford (both to us) were potentially concerning. But these four moves this week, all involving Villa too, need some serious looking at.

There's not really much point in having rules on spending when clubs are so openly abusing loopholes like this. It is flagrant.

That said, Villa have ended up with one hell of a good player out of it all.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:56 pm

Like Maatsen and the two who switched between Everton & Villa, they are being used by clubs trying to get round the rules. Was mentioned last year that deals such as Cameron Archer (to Sheffield United) and Aaron Ramsey & James Trafford (both to us) were potentially concerning. But these four moves this week, all involving Villa too, need some serious looking at.

If the PL just let these through without investigation then there is a big problem.

My guy feel is that their own rules won’t be strong enough to take any action though.

If these deals comply with PL rules and are signed off by the PL, I can't see what else can be done?

and there are still people who think we let him go!!

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:06 pm

If these deals comply with PL rules and are signed off by the PL, I can't see what else can be done?

They are deals getting round the rules

I don’t understand- how is buying a player over their value beneficial for the buying club?

I find the spending rules quite tedious.

Either make them absolutely watertight with clear pre defined penalties for breaches, or no rules.

Spend yourself into oblivion if that's how a club wants to approach it. If you get lucky with a billionaire takeover and he/she wants to splash the cash, good for you.

On the current situation and way overinflated fees for kids. In relation to the numerous charges for City. I'm sure i read a while ago one was their sponsor deals and not reflecting fair market value. That's clearly the case in these transfers.

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:26 pm

I don’t understand- how is buying a player over their value beneficial for the buying club?

It works because both clubs are buying a player from each other. The fee they spend counts against PSR rules divided by the length of contract (eg if you sign a player for £10m on a 4 year contract, it is a £2.5m loss per season) but if you sell an academy player it counts as profit this season. Both clubs are effectively moving money to comply with the rules for the 23/24 season.

Incredible how underrated maatsen is on here imo.

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:17 pm

Incredible how underrated maatsen is on here imo.

Is he the only player to have played for Burnley and play in a CL final? (CL era not European cup). I genuinely don't know, just trying to think who else would have done and can't think of anyone.

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:20 pm

Is he the only player to have played for Burnley and play in a CL final? (CL era not European cup). I genuinely don't know, just trying to think who else would have done and can't think of anyone.

Gary Cahill.

MrTopTier wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:27 pm

Gary Cahill.

Good shout

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:17 pm

Incredible how underrated maatsen is on here imo.

I wouldn’t say he is, it’s more the two clubs involved in the transfer have inflated the price to try and get round the PSR rules.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:01 pm

If the PL just let these through without investigation then there is a big problem.

My guy feel is that their own rules won’t be strong enough to take any action though.

Other clubs have written to the Premier League with concerns:

"Why are some deals under spotlight?
The Premier League has written to every club after “a significant number requested clarification” following the recent swap deals.

Some clubs are concerned that rivals could be looking to sell each other players in order to exploit any loopholes in PSR and therefore limit their losses.

There is no suggestion clubs have broken the rules but they have been told by the league’s director of governance that part of a transfer fee would have to be returned by the selling club if it decides a fee had been “inflated”."

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:20 pm

Is he the only player to have played for Burnley and play in a CL final? (CL era not European cup). I genuinely don't know, just trying to think who else would have done and can't think of anyone.

Trippier

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:20 pm

Is he the only player to have played for Burnley and play in a CL final? (CL era not European cup). I genuinely don't know, just trying to think who else would have done and can't think of anyone.

Kieran Trippier
Andrew Cole
David May (unused sub)
Peter Crouch

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:45 pm

Trippier

Completely forgot about that CL final with Spurs! Was thinking he wasn't in the Athletico v Real Madrid final

Chris Waddle?

DesmondHaynes wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:25 pm

Chris Waddle?

He played in the 1991 final but I think it was still the European Cup then

He may even have been man of the match in that game.

I think Danny Ings was in the Liverpool squad in 2018 CL final, not sure if he made the team though.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:39 pm

He played in the 1991 final but I think it was still the European Cup then

Speaking of Marseille, and the European Cup, Trevor Steven was unlucky to miss out. I think Marseille reached the final either side of single year he was there.

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:34 pm

It works because both clubs are buying a player from each other. The fee they spend counts against PSR rules divided by the length of contract (eg if you sign a player for £10m on a 4 year contract, it is a £2.5m loss per season) but if you sell an academy player it counts as profit this season. Both clubs are effectively moving money to comply with the rules for the 23/24 season.

I'm wondering if this isn't a prelude to a North American style of player acquisition by trading rather than buying and selling players? Example: In 3/4 years time Villa may trade a fully matured Maatsen to Man Utd for 2 or 3 up and coming players. No money changes hands therefore no chance of breaking PSR rules

Just a thought.

whiffa wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:47 pm

I think Danny Ings was in the Liverpool squad in 2018 CL final, not sure if he made the team though.

Was not in the matchday squad, Liverpool's back up striker on the bench that game was Dominic Solanke.

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:49 pm

Speaking of Marseille, and the European Cup, Trevor Steven was unlucky to miss out. I think Marseille reached the final either side of single year he was there.

It was reported that he was the highest paid player in the world at the time but then it turned out that he wasn’t always being paid. He did play and score in a European final though for Everton.

The Premier League is a cesspit.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:50 pm

Definitely not worth the money they are paying for him. Stinks of PSR loopholes

Agreed.

Did Gordon Cowans play in any European Cup finals?