Just announced to be investigated for indecent gesture (grabbing his crotch) after scoring against Slovakia.

No one likes us……….

"Grabbing his crotch"

What a load of b*llocks.

Pushing his hard on down to disappoint the ladies.

Billy Big Bo££ocks gesture or something similar.

Surely it’s the Spanish “ Cojones” gesture ? Though pretty valid in many euro nations . Hopefully he won’t get a ban for gesturing he’s got the balls .

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:19 pm

Billy Big Bo££ocks gesture or something similar.

Sadly billy big bo££ocks will probably miss the game against the Swiss for that gesture.

Who else would think they could get away with it, Jude?

It's a poor state of affairs when a lad can't scratch his googlies these days without some pontificating no mark pulling him off for it.

can't celebrate goals because of VAR, can't celebrate goals after VAR

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:26 pm

Sadly billy big bo££ocks will probably miss the game against the Swiss for that gesture.

Who else would think they could get away with it, Jude?

Cristiano Ronaldo….

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:38 pm

can't celebrate goals because of VAR, can't celebrate goals after VAR

Only a matter of time before you won't be allowed to celebrate goals because it will be deemed ableism.

Someone in a wheelchair couldn't do what Bellingham did yesterday for instance.

Think we need to get back to a handshake after a goal is scored !

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:26 pm

Sadly billy big bo££ocks will probably miss the game against the Swiss for that gesture.

Who else would think they could get away with it, Jude?

if they ban him for that I hope England just withdraw from the tournament

rufus lumley wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:42 pm

Think we need to get back to a handshake after a goal is scored !

But only from the nearest teammate, the rest just give a thumbs up

If Bellingham was suspended and Foden played central I bet we'd play better as a team.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:12 pm

if they ban him for that I hope England just withdraw from the tournament

We can just get knocked out playing regular average football Mr Southgate, not because a silly footballer did something silly.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:42 pm

Cristiano Ronaldo….

I’m guessing you missed what he mouthed to the crowd in his first celebration?

Before the weird one with Kane and before this one ‘to his mates’.

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:20 pm

If Bellingham was suspended and Foden played central I bet we'd play better as a team.

With Gordon on the left and Palmer on the right, it would be interesting.

Would Safegate have the balls to keep him out if we did, having his ‘Alf Ramsay’ moment, who kept Greavsie out of the 66’ final?

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:20 pm

If Bellingham was suspended and Foden played central I bet we'd play better as a team.

I don’t think so, I think Foden is very much a system player. He’s been pretty poor for England his whole career

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:37 pm

Would Safegate have the balls to keep him out if we did, having his ‘Alf Ramsay’ moment, who kept Greavsie out of the 66’ final?

I think we both know the answer to that - no chance.
But I've been banging this drum for a while. Foden should be central and have the team built around him.
Put it one way, if it's between Foden or Bellingham it's Foden every time.

I think Claretskeith has a point. It is looking horribly like Foden and Bellingham can’t play together but impossible to see Southgate dropping either. I’d prefer Bellingham to be the one who keeps his place but Foden at and Gordon or Eze playing on the left wing would surely make us more threatening. Alternatively play Toney as a two with Kane and keep Foden wide if he really has to play.
I still think we will need to wait for a decent manager before anything clicks into gear with this lot but Bellingham suspended might not be the disaster the media will make it out to be.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:40 pm

I don’t think so, I think Foden is very much a system player. He’s been pretty poor for England his whole career

Foden created 4 chances by himself vs Denmark as soon as he allowed to play more central. He's not being played where he should.

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:42 pm

Foden created 4 chances by himself vs Denmark as soon as he allowed to play more central. He's not being played where he should.

Not sure I agree, his best game in an England shirt came against Senegal when he played of the left wing.

If I’m honest I think he’s a player that’s flattered to deceive his whole England career. I really thought this was the tournament where he stepped up.

Also worth noting he played a third of his games this season on the left wing as well

claretbob wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:42 pm

I think Claretskeith has a point. It is looking horribly like Foden and Bellingham can’t play together but impossible to see Southgate dropping either. I’d prefer Bellingham to be the one who keeps his place but Foden at and Gordon or Eze playing on the left wing would surely make us more threatening. Alternatively play Toney as a two with Kane and keep Foden wide if he really has to play.
I still think we will need to wait for a decent manager before anything clicks into gear with this lot but Bellingham suspended might not be the disaster the media will make it out to be.

You see I think it depends on the opposition. The 3 group games I personally would have played 1 holding midfielder in Rice. And have Foden and Bellingham both as number 10s essentially. Southgate is far too negative.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:53 pm

Not sure I agree, his best game in an England shirt came against Senegal when he played of the left wing.

If I’m honest I think he’s a player that’s flattered to deceive his whole England career. I really thought this was the tournament where he stepped up.

Also worth noting he played a third of his games this season on the left wing as well

Not sure what you have been watching. What about the times he's improved when moved inside? He's been excellent.

And look at him when out left. A total waste of his talent for England on the touchline.

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:33 pm

We can just get knocked out playing regular average football Mr Southgate, not because a silly footballer did something silly.

it'll be interesting to see what they do about Mbappe

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:57 pm

Not sure what you have been watching. What about the times he's improved when moved inside? He's been excellent.

And look at him when out left. A total waste of his talent for England on the touchline.

I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever seen Foden have a man of the match performance for England.

He’s looked great in flashes but he never consistently performs like he does for city

It's an offence according to the Swiss constitution.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:59 pm

I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever seen Foden have a man of the match performance for England.

He’s looked great in flashes but he never consistently performs like he does for city

At risk of repeating myself, this is because he doesn't play central. For Man City he has a lot more freedom.

Watch him closely vs Switzerland. He's likely to play on the left again but watch him when he comes inside.

I think both Grealish and Rashford are a better fit than Foden and Saka because they have learned to the play game in a different way. Saka and Foden look like players who are expert at one way of playing, and whilst they are a superior talent to almost every other player in their position, they don't seem to be able to affect a game when they aren't in control. Players like Grealish, Rashford, Palmer, Gordon, Eze tend to force that kind of control actively rather than passively, and there's a lot to be said for being able to produce a positive input in a poorer side.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:57 pm

it'll be interesting to see what they do about Mbappe

I didn’t see their game.

Has he made some sort of gesture too?

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:15 pm

I didn’t see their game.

Has he made some sort of gesture too?

https://talksport.com/football/1945660/ ... euro-2024/

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:17 pm

https://talksport.com/football/1945660/ ... euro-2024/

Classless and lacking in sportsmanship but nothing the most battle hardened offence taker could contrive into something bannable.

I see Vertonghen had been giving Mbappe grief in his pre match interviews too.

rufus lumley wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:42 pm

Think we need to get back to a handshake after a goal is scored !

Agreed - "celebrating" has become pathetic, especially the big, wide open gob one.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:42 pm

Cristiano Ronaldo….

CR: the biggest ar5ehole in the tournament.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:19 pm

CR: the biggest ar5ehole in the tournament.

His mother would know - she still changes his diapers.

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:06 pm

At risk of repeating myself, this is because he doesn't play central. For Man City he has a lot more freedom.

Watch him closely vs Switzerland. He's likely to play on the left again but watch him when he comes inside.

Quite the opposite in fact - he has a very regimented role in a well drilled outfit when playing for City.

Ancelotti/Madrid has a lot less rigidity and allows his players a lot more attacking freedom - which normally translates well into knockout tournament football, where you really have to 'feel' games and seize momentum shifts.

Foden is obviously a very talented player - no question there. The problem for me is that the space in which he likes to occupy and do his best work in is also a place where Kane likes to, be fore attacking the box late or making himself available at the edge of the box for a pullback.

That's why for me we shouldn't play a '10' if we play Harry Kane, who, at this stage in his career is a deep lying forward, who will operate better in a 4-3-3 with two widemen providing an inbehind threat eitherside of him OR with a strike partner up top.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:01 am

Quite the opposite in fact - he has a very regimented role in a well drilled outfit when playing for City.

Ancelotti/Madrid has a lot less rigidity and allows his players a lot more attacking freedom - which normally translates well into knockout tournament football, where you really have to 'feel' games and seize momentum shifts.

Foden is obviously a very talented player - no question there. The problem for me is that the space in which he likes to occupy and do his best work in is also a place where Kane likes to, be fore attacking the box late or making himself available at the edge of the box for a pullback.

That's why for me we shouldn't play a '10' if we play Harry Kane, who, at this stage in his career is a deep lying forward, who will operate better in a 4-3-3 with two widemen providing an inbehind threat eitherside of him OR with a strike partner up top.

I disagree completely.

The response on here to Jude doing a 'Michael Jackson' (USA), seems very different to when a similar gesture was done by a World Cup winning Argentinian goalkeeper.

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:05 am

I disagree completely.

What do you disagree with? Foden doesn't have freedom at City - absolutely no player that plays for Pep (that's not called Lionel Messi) has ever had freedom on the pitch.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:32 am

What do you disagree with?

What you just said.

Christ! Some people love to hate our world class stars! Beckham, Rooney, Kane etc. Bellingham has a complete winning mentality and gives his all when he plays. He has unbelievable ability and should be starting every game. In this side and system I’d prefer to see him next to Rice pushing forward with Foden in front of him.
As for the punishment, it’s absolutely ridiculous.

claretskeith wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:42 pm

Foden created 4 chances by himself vs Denmark as soon as he allowed to play more central. He's not being played where he should.

The minute we took Foden off we score two goals and win the gane

Storm in a teacup, remember he’s quite young.

Bellingham has to realise it's a PC woke world we live in unfortunately and there's no bigger self abusers than UEFA.

Maybe teams like France should go on strike and score no more goals from open play, oh hang on!

Foden on the left would have a lot more chance of working if we had a LB occupying their RB higher up the pitch. Same with walker, who got forward once I think I'm the first game and we nearly scored. If you have no width stretching the pitch there's no room for Bellingham or Foden centrally.