ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

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ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:32 am

Parker's backroom team about to change almost immediately

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/bellamy-le ... welsh-role

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:59 am

We're like a revolving door at the moment.

Hopefully soon to settle down.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:10 am

& some people still try to insist he didn’t leave before to try to link up with kompany. The guys been looking for any other opportunity from the moment the big R surfaced next to our name in the league table. I can’t imagine pace will be too bothered that’s another big earner on big bucks off the payroll.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Guller Bull » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:10 am

Fractured dressing room already? :D


Good luck to CB, hope he does well for them. He's a passionate bloke and I am sure will give his all

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Goliath » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:18 am

Wonder what would have happened if he'd been offered the managers job here as well.
Luckily we saw sense. This isn't a big loss.
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by CleggHall » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:20 am

Came over well in all his interviews last season , appears to have grown up!
Wish him well with Wales, their squad is worse than ours.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:24 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:10 am
& some people still try to insist he didn’t leave before to try to link up with kompany.
He didn't leave of his own accord and he very definitely wasn't trying to link up with Kompany
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by jedi_master » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:32 am

I wish him well but I must confess I wasn't a particularly big fan of Parker having an 'assigned' team. They may not have gelled (having played together is one thing, but Bellamy applied for the same job Parker got ahead of him, that can, sometimes, lead to a degree of undermining even if not wholly intended - the odd bitchy comment to others, etc) or been on the same page tactically and so on.

I think this might be for the best...
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Andy_G » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:38 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:10 am
& some people still try to insist he didn’t leave before to try to link up with kompany. The guys been looking for any other opportunity from the moment the big R surfaced next to our name in the league table. I can’t imagine pace will be too bothered that’s another big earner on big bucks off the payroll.
Do you have any contact with the real world or are you just permanently off with the fairies?
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:41 am

As much as Bellamy staying would have been great, Jackson still here, gives Jensen more chance to show his credentials.

If it also means Parker can bring another one of his own staff in then so be it

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:47 am

Andy_G wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:38 am
Do you have any contact with the real world or are you just permanently off with the fairies?
I see that he’s going that’s all I need to know.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:04 am

Every now and again we see a manager so ruthless they bin off players who have previously succeeded for them, but it is very rare to see one who does that but also does it with his main coaching staff.

VK did it all within 2 years despite initially huge success. I can’t recall a precedent.

So I feel for what Bellamy must have been going through, and wish him luck in his new role. Let’s be honest, he’ll need it, you cannot polish a turd and Wales are long past their golden generation.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:09 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:04 am
Wales are long past their golden generation.
Gareth Bale and, to an extent, Aaron Ramsey.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:31 am

Bellamy has now left Burnley - been confirmed by the club

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by NickBFC » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:33 am

Best of luck to him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:36 am

Title and article now amended

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by blake's wand » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:39 am

Wonder if we got some nice compensation for him - best of luck.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:42 am

blake's wand wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:39 am
Wonder if we got some nice compensation for him - best of luck.
I can’t imagine it will be a significant amount given where he’s gone. They won’t have much money.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Clive 1960 » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:43 am

Very hard to turn your Country down so good luck to Craig..
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:49 am

Good luck to him.
8-)

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by burnley007 » Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:56 am

Chuffed for him
Good luck boyo

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Quicknick » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:01 am

Good luck to him. Always liked him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:02 am

I don't think the perfect timing of all this is a coincidence. Goes some way, perhaps,
to explaining the seemingly lengthy process we endured. :o

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by JarrowClaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:14 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:10 am
& some people still try to insist he didn’t leave before to try to link up with kompany. The guys been looking for any other opportunity from the moment the big R surfaced next to our name in the league table. I can’t imagine pace will be too bothered that’s another big earner on big bucks off the payroll.
You are entitled to your opinion, but my god this is a strange take. As with pretty much everyone on here including you I have no idea what really went on in the background at the end of the season. That said there is enough noise in the press and with people that do get bits of information out of persons close to the Club to suggest Kompany and Bellamy weren’t on good terms at the end. Either way though it is irrelevant and him taking the Wales job does not in any way prove anything other than he is a proud welshman.
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:15 am

JarrowClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:14 am
You are entitled to your opinion, but my god this is a strange take. As with pretty much everyone on here including you I have no idea what really went on in the background at the end of the season. That said there is enough noise in the press and with people that do get bits of information out of persons close to the Club to suggest Kompany and Bellamy weren’t on good terms at the end. Either way though it is irrelevant and him taking the Wales job does not in any way prove anything other than he is a proud welshman.
I can assure you they were way beyond not being on good terms.
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Steddyman » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:18 am

Good luck Craig. Can't blame him for wanting to represent his country.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by JarrowClaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:18 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:15 am
I can assure you they were way beyond not being on good terms.
You don’t need to assure me as I believe you I was being diplomatic with my language used😉

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Stan Tastic » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:21 am

It would've ben awkward if he'd stayed at Burnley, as presumably he'd have been working alongside Jensen, who was probably brought in by VK to replace him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:26 am

The perfect role for him and will allow him the required work/life balance that he wouldn’t get running a league club.

The commitment required to be the manager of our club in relation to time and energy needed was always my concern and suspect that it was the thing that stopped the board offering him the job.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy set to leave Burnley for Welsh role

Post by pushpinpussy » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:32 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:15 am
I can assure you they were way beyond not being on good terms.
Nobody truly knows what their relationship was like apart from VK ans CB. Its all information received from other people which cannot be substantiated.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Hibsclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:33 am

Very classy comments from Bellamy on getting the Welsh job, praising the club and thanking the fans. A noticeable difference to a previous departure a few weeks ago. Thanks Craig and good luck.
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Anonymous Claret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:47 am

I always liked Bellamy and I wish him well in his new position as Wales manager. Good luck Craig.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by beddie » Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:48 am

I thought VK and Bellamy were really good mates and VK was helping Bellamy through his troubles, part of that was keeping him employed both previously and at Burnley. Anyone know what went so wrong that they’ve become almost estranged.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:07 pm

Thank you for your commitment to the Burnley cause and for trying to combat the extreme actions of your boss at the time.

Good luck with Wales

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by 1989_claret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:22 pm

Once a B*stard, always a B*stard ;) :lol:
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:09 pm

The management team responsible for one of the worst seasons in our history have moved on upwards after, crazy.

Kompany - Beyern Munich
Bellamy - Wales National Team
Rouwelaar - Man United

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:45 pm

Will we be bringing in anyone to replace him on the staff?

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Middle-agedClaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:53 pm

Good luck, Craig.
Hope you make a success of the new job.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by MT03ALG » Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:04 pm

Do we know how many of the approx. 20 fitness coaches/technical coaches/rehab. coaches/analysts/performance managers etc. are staying with BFC in the new season?

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by ksrclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:14 pm

Really pleased for him. He clearly wants a managerial job and whilst I wouldn’t have liked us to appoint him, the Wales job seems like a good fit. I think he leaves here having made a good impression overall.

So I suppose that leaves Parker looking for a couple of people to add to his staff then - another assistant coach and a goalkeeping coach.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Tresor'sTracksuit » Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:30 pm

Hope he is successful for his sake.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:55 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:09 pm
The management team responsible for one of the worst seasons in our history have moved on upwards after, crazy.

Kompany - Beyern Munich
Bellamy - Wales National Team
Rouwelaar - Man United
Yes. Perhaps time some posters look elsewhere for the reason we failed.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Carlos the Great » Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:21 pm

How he wishes Gareth Bale was 25 again .:

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Stayingup » Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:33 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:09 pm
The management team responsible for one of the worst seasons in our history have moved on upwards after, crazy.

Kompany - Beyern Munich
Bellamy - Wales National Team
Rouwelaar - Man United
Just thinking about our last three managers and where they are now. FC Hollywoid , Everton and Newcastle. Wonder if the new manager has thought about this

Good luck to Bellamy, I wish him well.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:36 pm

beddie wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:48 am
I thought VK and Bellamy were really good mates and VK was helping Bellamy through his troubles, part of that was keeping him employed both previously and at Burnley. Anyone know what went so wrong that they’ve become almost estranged.
It's questionable itself that their relationship is estranged there's no evidence to support that view in the same way that they are best chums. At this moment in time apart from the 2 men & maybe a handful of other close confidants nobody really knows.
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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Goliath » Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:30 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:36 pm
It's questionable itself that their relationship is estranged there's no evidence to support that view in the same way that they are best chums. At this moment in time apart from the 2 men & maybe a handful of other close confidants nobody really knows.
Apart from Kompany leaving him behind and Bellamys replacement being signed before he'd even left. It doesn't suggest a rosey relationship does it

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:51 pm

Goliath wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:30 pm
Apart from Kompany leaving him behind and Bellamys replacement being signed before he'd even left. It doesn't suggest a rosey relationship does it
I don't think kompany left him behind by choice.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by JarrowClaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:07 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:36 pm
It's questionable itself that their relationship is estranged there's no evidence to support that view in the same way that they are best chums. At this moment in time apart from the 2 men & maybe a handful of other close confidants nobody really knows.
If it was true that he had left the Club, I would imagine quite a lot of the Club employees were are aware of the reason it is hard to hide a rift like that. Either way it doesn’t really matter though as both have left now.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:15 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:07 pm
If it was true that he had left the Club, I would imagine quite a lot of the Club employees were are aware of the reason it is hard to hide a rift like that. Either way it doesn’t really matter though as both have left now.
It depends on what level of employee I'd expect an high level director to know but I'd be looking for the nearest salt mine having faith in what the cleaner said. It was a engineered exit which backfired.

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Re: ARTICLE: Bellamy leaves Burnley for Welsh role

Post by Goliath » Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:47 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:51 pm
I don't think kompany left him behind by choice.
So you're just going to ignore everything thats staring you in the face and come up with your own theory?

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