West Indies won the toss and put England in to bat.
Currently 330 for 5

Another one sided match sadly!

If the West Indies had held their catches there could easily be 8 down by now. Brook and Stokes batting superbly then absolutely throw their wickets away. Frustrating. Pope batted well and I like the look of this lad Smith. Currently 344 for 6.

Smith just gone - 367/7

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 5:48 pm

Smith just gone - 367/7

I've gone off him

And eight down now

Another one of those odd English innings. Probably scored enough to set up a win, given the Windies' batting in the first test but possibility of being bowled out in a day.

England cannot be this profligate against the stronger sides. Brook, Stokes and Smith have tossed their wickets away against bowlers who, in my opinion, would struggle for wickets in the Lancs League.

They talk about preparing for Australia in this series. They need to start scoring 100s and putting 500 on the board.

They all find a way to get out.

Like a best of the 12th man on here at times.....

Put into bat, and score over 400 in a day….. and people still having a pop.

416 all out

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:31 pm

Put into bat, and score over 400 in a day….. and people still having a pop.

I am, yes. Because 3 batters have thrown their wickets away which I find incredibly frustrating. 416 in a day is not to be sniffed at. But we should be looking at 500 plus sometime tomorrow.

Like I said…. It’s like the twelfth man. They’ve scored 416 in a day…. 500 plus isn’t needed, there’s time in the game and a boat load of pressure on the West Indies…..

Do you think Windies will score more than 416 in reply?

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:58 pm

Like I said…. It’s like the twelfth man. They’ve scored 416 in a day…. 500 plus isn’t needed, there’s time in the game and a boat load of pressure on the West Indies…..

Do you think Windies will score more than 416 in reply?

Not sure what you're alluding to with reference to the 12th man. No, I don't think the West Indies will get near to 416. But if you're happy with people throwing their wickets away when well set, so be it. And if the West Indies had taken their catches we would be looking at a score they could achieve. My overall point is we will need to be better against the likes of India and Australia.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:58 pm

Like I said…. It’s like the twelfth man. They’ve scored 416 in a day…. 500 plus isn’t needed, there’s time in the game and a boat load of pressure on the West Indies…..

Do you think Windies will score more than 416 in reply?

Agreed, you'll never get 11 perfect scores and batters will make mistakes in literally every game that's ever been played, you only need 3-4 decent scores

Then again Southgate got us to a few finals and still took loads of stick, its become the normal reaction. Look for fault

Mondsley wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:08 pm

Not sure what you're alluding to with reference to the 12th man. No, I don't think the West Indies will get near to 416. But if you're happy with people throwing their wickets away when well set, so be it. And if the West Indies had taken their catches we would be looking at a score they could achieve. My overall point is we will need to be better against the likes of India and Australia.

The counter argument will be that we're not playing Australia yet we've called time on Anderson's career to plan for the Ashes but don't seem as bothered about treating the batting approach in the same way.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:12 pm

Agreed, you'll never get 11 perfect scores and batters will make mistakes in literally every game that's ever been played, you only need 3-4 decent scores

Then again Southgate got us to a few finals and still took loads of stick, its become the normal reaction. Look for fault

I'm not looking for fault, I want us to value our wickets more. We can discuss over a pint at Littleborough on Sunday!!

WI just lost their fourth wicket, Athanaze gone for 82. They are 259/4.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:58 pm

Like I said…. It’s like the twelfth man. They’ve scored 416 in a day…. 500 plus isn’t needed, there’s time in the game and a boat load of pressure on the West Indies…..

Do you think Windies will score more than 416 in reply?

No reason why WI shouldn't post 416 plus on this wicket, although their lower order is weak and inexperienced.
I didn't get onto this thread yesterday, but as others posted, getting bowled out by a mediocre attack on day one is a disappointing effort. Accumulating runs sensibly at a steady rate and declaring sometime mid-afternoon today (at 550+) should surely have been the plan?
There's being positive with the bat, but as has been repeated on here many times, there has to be a balance. I doubt that Australia or India would have dropped all those catches, nor would either side give so many of their own wickets away.

Did you see Australia in the resent World Cup? They caught less than Lee Grant.
Always the best of them, India, Australia never drop catches, never give wickets away….. always the worst of England, giving wickets away, don’t dominate, can’t catch….. tiresome.

As for no reason Windies shouldn’t score 416…. Get yourself over to Bet365 they’re 10/11 over or under 410.5 runs. You’ve just found huge value.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Did you see Australia in the resent World Cup? They caught less than Lee Grant.
Always the best of them, India, Australia never drop catches, never give wickets away….. always the worst of England, giving wickets away, don’t dominate, can’t catch….. tiresome.

As for no reason Windies shouldn’t score 416…. Get yourself over to Bet365 they’re 10/11 over or under 410.5 runs. You’ve just found huge value.

Has anyone said that England can't catch?. They were fantastic in the 1st test and apart from the uncharacteristic drop by Root have fielded well today.
Re: the 416. Even if we bowl them out before stumps today, our lead won't be anywhere near as many as we might have expected or hoped when we went out to bat yesterday. because 416 is well short of the 500 mark that should be the minimum expectation on a good track batting first.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:18 pm

Has anyone said that England can't catch?. They were fantastic in the 1st test and apart from the uncharacteristic drop by Root have fielded well today.
Re: the 416. Even if we bowl them out before stumps today, our lead won't be anywhere near as many as we might have expected or hoped when we went out to bat yesterday. because 416 is well short of the 500 mark that should be the minimum expectation on a good track batting first.

Don’t often get asked to bat first on a good track? Hasn’t history shown that days 2 and 3 are always best for batting at Trent Bridge?

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:20 pm

Don’t often get asked to bat first on a good track? Hasn’t history shown that days 2 and 3 are always best for batting at Trent Bridge?

Yes, days 2 and 3 usually the best conditions for batting at Trent Bridge but we wasted a good opportunity to bat on day 2 by throwing loads of wickets away in the 2nd two sessions of day one.
It's usually session one of day one where you can get a lot of damage with the ball at TB, and so after the loss of Crawley we did well.
I would imagine that WI inserted England because they thought there might be something in the pitch early on and that they were worried of being rolled over for another low total. Coming out to bat on a sunny day two is a different scenario for them.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:20 pm

Don’t often get asked to bat first on a good track? Hasn’t history shown that days 2 and 3 are always best for batting at Trent Bridge?

It has!! And that is why we should have put a higher price on our wickets yesterday. Seems like we may both have underestimated the WI batters.

Poor yesterday the way we lost wickets. Should have had a much bigger score and should have still been batting today.

Hodge given out lbw for 120 on umpire’s call - WI 305/5.

Get Broady on at the Stuart Broad End and Jimmy on at t'other end

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:40 pm

Poor yesterday the way we lost wickets. Should have had a much bigger score and should have still been batting today.

Poor. What game were you watching. We scored over 400 runs in a day. That doesn't happen that often.

Sooooo many flashes past the bat this afternoon. We’ve got a good Test Match going here.

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:12 pm

Poor. What game were you watching. We scored over 400 runs in a day. That doesn't happen that often.

I was watching us lose some wickets needlessly. We should not have been getting bowled out in a day on that track against this WI bowling.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:16 pm

I was watching us lose some wickets needlessly. We should not have been getting bowled out in a day on that track against this WI bowling.

Root, Brook and Stokes all needless wickets.

18 times wood beat the bat without getting a wicket today.

Windies now 356 for 6.

404/9 now with Da Silva on 58

Enjoying watching this and find myself willing the Windies on. So many memories of great West Indian cricketers growing up and I took no pleasure in their capitulation at Lords.

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:44 pm

Enjoying watching this and find myself willing the Windies on. So many memories of great West Indian cricketers growing up and I took no pleasure in their capitulation at Lords.

I posted on a thread recently that the first WI team I saw had the likes of Hunte, Kanhai, Butcher, Sobers, Hall, Griffith & Gibbs. And then came the most amazing number of top cricketers over the next two decades.

West Indies in front - 422/9.

Bowled way too short in the last half hour. Not sure why

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:54 pm

Bowled way too short in the last half hour. Not sure why

Very strange bowling since the 9th wicket fell

Lunch now delayed until 1:30 or the fall of the last wicket

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:59 pm

Very strange bowling since the 9th wicket fell

Coupled with some very strange field settings.

Some awful bowling from Root.

winsomeyen wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:11 pm

Some awful bowling from Root.

He was just serving them up for them

457 all out, a lead of 41.

Great entertainment from the last pair.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:59 pm

Very strange bowling since the 9th wicket fell

Stokes seemed more concerned about leaking runs than taking last wicket ..

England lead by 75 at tea, batting looks so easy this session.

Change of ball gets Pope

Root after that costly dropped catch needs a big big score

what a waste of an appeal, surely a batsman knows if he has got an inside edge or not.