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Out of the Blue
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:45 pm
by Hanoverusaclaret
So, usually when a new manager/coach comes into a club there is usually an overlooked or young player who comes out of the blue and is all of a sudden in the first team mix. If this happens with Parker who will that player be?
Could Noah Massengo, CJ Egan-Riley, or Luke McNally push for a role? Any of the younger players possibly? Joe Westley, Charlie Casper, or Owen Dodgson?
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:33 pm
by jdrobbo
Enoch Agyei π«¨
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:37 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
jdrobbo wrote: βSat Jul 27, 2024 7:33 pm
Enoch Agyei π«¨
By all accounts he showed flashes at end end of 22/23 season in training, even joined in on the promotion open top bus. Then had a bad injury.
My mate at the open training yesterday said he looked very nippy
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:42 pm
by Hanoverusaclaret
Could Enoch Agyei be our new Nathan Tella? We could have some blistering pace up front if Koleosho, Odobert and Agyei all stick around. Great options.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:56 pm
by gawthorpe_view
Cracking 70s album.
[Sorry]
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:21 am
by Foshiznik
I could see CJ Egan-Riley having quite a bit of game time this season.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:19 am
by NewClaret
Foshiznik wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 9:21 am
I could see CJ Egan-Riley having quite a bit of game time this season.
Who do you see him displacing? Playing RB I assume?
Re: the OP, Iβd like to see more of HNM.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:31 am
by Ε½iΕΎkovClaret
Foshiznik wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 9:21 am
I could see CJ Egan-Riley having quite a bit of game time this season.
Hasn't he gone to Huddersfield already?
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:44 am
by TheFamilyCat
Hanoverusaclaret wrote: βSat Jul 27, 2024 5:45 pm
So, usually when a new manager/coach comes into a club there is usually an overlooked or young player who comes out of the blue and is all of a sudden in the first team mix. If this happens with Parker who will that player be?
Could Noah Massengo, CJ Egan-Riley, or Luke McNally push for a role? Any of the younger players possibly? Joe Westley, Charlie Casper, or Owen Dodgson?
Have you made up the bit where this "usually" happens?
I don't follow other clubs closely enough to comment but I don't recall this happening with Dyche, or Howe or Laws before him. Costelloe started the season under Kompany but quickly disappeared.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:53 pm
by Benson
TheFamilyCat wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 10:44 am
Have you made up the bit where this "usually" happens?
I don't follow other clubs closely enough to comment
So why bother then?
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:26 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Since 2012 when there has been a manager change for clubs in the Championship, League 1 and League 2 on average 47% of the time the new manager identifies a previously overlooked young player and brings them into the first time. Of that group 81% of the time those players don't last more than 3 games in the first team and drop back into obscurity.
26% of the time the new manager turns around one of the out of favour and struggling senior players and gets them performing well and into the first team. 82% of the time those players continue to do well and become key first team players
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:53 pm
by ayrshireclaret83
An overlooked player??
Manuel Benson
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:32 pm
by houseboy
Devils_Advocate wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 1:26 pm
Since 2012 when there has been a manager change for clubs in the Championship, League 1 and League 2 on average 47% of the time the new manager identifies a previously overlooked young player and brings them into the first time. Of that group 81% of the time those players don't last more than 3 games in the first team and drop back into obscurity.
26% of the time the new manager turns around one of the out of favour and struggling senior players and gets them performing well and into the first team. 82% of the time those players continue to do well and become key first team players
82.5% of statistics are made up.
Sorry. One of Steve Wrights (the American stand up not the legendary DJ).
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:21 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Devils_Advocate wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 1:26 pm
Since 2012 when there has been a manager change for clubs in the Championship, League 1 and League 2 on average 47% of the time the new manager identifies a previously overlooked young player and brings them into the first time. Of that group 81% of the time those players don't last more than 3 games in the first team and drop back into obscurity.
26% of the time the new manager turns around one of the out of favour and struggling senior players and gets them performing well and into the first team. 82% of the time those players continue to do well and become key first team players
If only the OP had provided some useful statistics to support this claim rather than the annoyingly vague "usually".
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:02 am
by ArmchairDetective
Aygei seems to be appearing in a few of the club's social media posts. May be a sign that he's in and around the first team.
My guess is that Agyei and Massengo will be those that come out of the blue.
Although as stated above you could argue that Benson meets the criteria.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:16 am
by ClaretTony
ArmchairDetective wrote: βTue Jul 30, 2024 11:02 am
Aygei seems to be appearing in a few of the club's social media posts. May be a sign that he's in and around the first team.
My guess is that Agyei and Massengo will be those that come out of the blue.
Although as stated above you could argue that Benson meets the criteria.
I'd say Benson and Zaroury both do given their lack of opportunities last season. Then there are potentially emerging young players too which would include Agyei and also potentially Hugill and Richardson. There's also Bauress who, like Agyei, didn't play last season through unreported (ACL) injuries.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:23 pm
by ArmchairDetective
ArmchairDetective wrote: βTue Jul 30, 2024 11:02 am
Aygei seems to be appearing in a few of the club's social media posts. May be a sign that he's in and around the first team.
My guess is that Agyei and Massengo will be those that come out of the blue.
Although as stated above you could argue that Benson meets the criteria.
https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/18 ... Ek1FA&s=19
https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/18 ... CwleQ&s=19
https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/18 ... mwVZg&s=19
BFC twitter admin, are you reading this thread?
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:36 am
by Hanoverusaclaret
TheFamilyCat wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 3:21 pm
If only the OP had provided some useful statistics to support this claim rather than the annoyingly vague "usually".
If only the poster who replied had made a constructive comment rather than the annoyingly vivid "$hit post"
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:13 pm
by jdrobbo
jdrobbo wrote: βSat Jul 27, 2024 7:33 pm
Enoch Agyei π«¨
Very good tonight
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Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:51 pm
by Hanoverusaclaret
Thought Massengo looked very mobile too. Definitely won't look out of place when we need him.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:38 am
by ecc
Hanoverusaclaret wrote: βWed Jul 31, 2024 1:36 am
If only the poster who replied had made a constructive comment rather than the annoyingly vivid "$hit post"
Hi Hanoverusaclaret,
I hope you're doing okay.
I feel it's a real pity somebody like yourself, a "historic" member of FM and UTC, gets ridiculed.
Take care,
ecc
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:54 pm
by Foshiznik
TheFamilyCat wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 3:21 pm
If only the OP had provided some useful statistics to support this claim rather than the annoyingly vague "usually".
It's a fan's forum mate. It's not that deep.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:44 pm
by Quicknick
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:58 pm
by dougcollins
Devils_Advocate wrote: βMon Jul 29, 2024 1:26 pm
Since 2012 when there has been a manager change for clubs in the Championship, League 1 and League 2 on average 47% of the time the new manager identifies a previously overlooked young player and brings them into the first time. Of that group 81% of the time those players don't last more than 3 games in the first team and drop back into obscurity.
26% of the time the new manager turns around one of the out of favour and struggling senior players and gets them performing well and into the first team. 82% of the time those players continue to do well and become key first team players
99.2% of your posts are tedious.
Re: Out of the Blue
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:10 am
by Hanoverusaclaret
ecc wrote: βMon Aug 05, 2024 11:38 am
Hi Hanoverusaclaret,
I hope you're doing okay.
I feel it's a real pity somebody like yourself, a "historic" member of FM and UTC, gets ridiculed.
Take care,
ecc
TBH I don't really take it that seriously. I went to high school in Blackburn in the 80's. I have very thick skin
I appreciate the support however! Cheers
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