Southport Major Incident

[ClaretsPadiham]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/southpor ... s-13186625

Someone has gone into a kids holiday club and stabbed loads of kids to death, this country is well and truly f*cked.

He needs shooting in public,made me feel sick, poor defenceless kids.

[burnmark]

Heartbreaking. So sad.

[houseboy]

Just read the report and, awful as it obviously is, there is no mention of deaths.

[LordBob]

Just read it's at a nursery and a child is dead and a description of the attacker but I won't mention it on here it's sad but all too often.

[gandhisflipflop]

That is sickening.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That’s one of the worst things I have ever seen.

This country won’t be recognisable in 10 years

[RVclaret]

Disgusting, sickening, unsurprising.

[Andingle]

Absolutely horrific.

[ElectroClaret]

Eight people being treated for stab wounds "so far".
(BBC news)

No mention of deaths, let's hope it stays that way.

[RVclaret]

Eight people being treated for stab wounds "so far".
(BBC news)

No mention of deaths, let's hope it stays that way.

Liverpool Echo understands there’s been one death so far.

[Boss Hogg]

Sickening. I remember when people would have been ashamed to carry a knife. We didn’t have ‘gang’ culture then that has crept into the country. There’s also more lunatics on the streets than ever. There’s little punishment on offer and more excuses than ever that can be pedalled out in court. Awful that kids and parents can’t feel safe at a children’s club. At least they’ve caught the perpetrator. Let’s see if he was responsible in court or if it wasn’t his fault as he hadn’t taken his pills.

[claretskeith]

Just read this. There really are no words.

[Clovius Boofus]

Horrendous.

[jedi_master]

Makes me think of my daughter (6), a huge Taylor Swift fan who dances at a local club.

Honestly absolutely raging.

[Burnley1989]

Makes me think of my daughter (6), a huge Taylor Swift fan who dances at a local club.

Honestly absolutely raging.

I’ve just picked my 3 daughters up from a kids club, then read this, I’ve got goosebumps and feel sick. Absolutely horrendous

[GetIntoEm]

Disgusting. Can't believe it. Poor girls.

Another one that'll be chalked down to "mental health"

[TsarBomba]

Awful, awful news.

The violence is completely out of control.

[NottsClaret]

That’s one of the worst things I have ever seen.

This country won’t be recognisable in 10 years

Sadly it's too recognisable. We try to forget, but brings back memories of Dunblane.. Hungerford.. Whitehaven.

Frightening, horrifying.. but very rare.

[Belial]

Sickening. I remember when people would have been ashamed to carry a knife. We didn’t have ‘gang’ culture then that has crept into the country. There’s also more lunatics on the streets than ever. There’s little punishment on offer and more excuses than ever that can be pedalled out in court. Awful that kids and parents can’t feel safe at a children’s club. At least they’ve caught the perpetrator. Let’s see if he was responsible in court or if it wasn’t his fault as he hadn’t taken his pills.

Agree. Although this won't have been a gang thing, more likely another oddball that either shouldn't have been here in the first place or alternatively someone who shouldn't have been let out/off previously

[pushpinpussy]

My wife's brother and his wife and 2 children have just moved from London to Southport for the safety of their kids. You couldn't make this up.

[Firthy]

Just read it's at a nursery and a child is dead and a description of the attacker but I won't mention it on here it's sad but all too often.

No mention anywhere of a description of the attacker so the rest of us are left guessing and probably coming to the wrong conclusion.

It is just horrific what is happening these days and you wonder where our country is heading.

[Juan Tanamera]

Sadly it's too recognisable. We try to forget, but brings back memories of Dunblane.. Hungerford.. Whitehaven.

Frightening, horrifying.. but very rare.

My son was at nursery at the time of the Dunblane incident and I thought then how that could so easily have happened at his nursery.
There but for the grace of god.
The image that day of an heavily pregnant woman running to the school will stay with me forever.
My prayers are with these little girls and their families.

[TheFamilyCat]

Awful, awful incident and I hope the reports of no fatalities are the accurate ones.

Is there really any need for the speculation and jumping to conclusions though?

[fatboy47]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/southpor ... s-13186625

Someone has gone into a kids holiday club and stabbed loads of kids to death,

Pity there isnt some kind of court sentence for publishing gross exaggerations on the internet.

Not great news I'll grant you though.

[Jakubclaret]

Awful, awful incident and I hope the reports of no fatalities are the accurate ones.

Is there really any need for the speculation and jumping to conclusions though?

Well it's par for the course on here why deviate away from sensationalism. Doesn't sound good whatevers happened that much we can agree on.

[ClaretTony]

Is there really any need for the speculation and jumping to conclusions though?

There isn't, totally agree with you, and appeals have been made asking people not to speculate.

[mdd2]

No mention anywhere of a description of the attacker so the rest of us are left guessing and probably coming to the wrong conclusion.

It is just horrific what is happening these days and you wonder where our country is heading.

Afraid to say that it is not heading anywhere-it has already arrived.

[Andreshotboots]

This country is no longer safe, it's as simple as that..

[Terrier]

17 yr old from banks arrested

[warksclaret]

From the brief coverage on TV it looks a fairly respectable area. It just proves nowhere and no-one is safe in this country

[NottsClaret]

Shocking news, I can only imagine what the families of this involved are going through. I wonder what “truth” we’ll be fed.

Whoever said this country won’t be recognisable in ten years has it spot on. It’s barely recognisable from ten years ago to what we have now, and it was pretty bad then. Every time I see my daughter, I urge her to up sticks and get away. We’re doomed, absolutely doomed.

We've all going to be upset by this story, I do get that, it is emotional so absolutely don't want to get into a squabble. But it's worth checking the reality. Murder rates in the UK are roughly the same as 10 years ago. Certainly not unrecognisable. And they're much lower than 20 years ago. I know crime stats are often distorted almost to the point of being useless, but 'homicides' are always going to be accurate.

If there is an increase or decrease in crime, it generally tracks with spending on policing and the justice department but that's another discussion for another time.

[ClaretAndJew]

Not terror related according to the news.

[Spijed]

We’re doomed, absolutely doomed.

Really?

[fidelcastro]

Really?

Nothing like a bit of perspective, is there?

[Rick_Muller]

This country is no longer safe, it's as simple as that..

Wasn’t safe in 1987 (Hungerford) or 1996 (Dunblane) either then, but that doesn’t fit the present narrative to target certain types.

This is a horrific incident and my thoughts are with those affected

[Carport]

We've all going to be upset by this story, I do get that, it is emotional so absolutely don't want to get into a squabble. But it's worth checking the reality. Murder rates in the UK are roughly the same as 10 years ago. Certainly not unrecognisable. And they're much lower than 20 years ago. I know crime stats are often distorted almost to the point of being useless, but 'homicides' are always going to be accurate.

If there is an increase or decrease in crime, it generally tracks with spending on policing and the justice department but that's another discussion for another time.

You should read Hans Rosling’s Factfulness

[cockneyclaret]

Not terror related according to the news.

I always wonder what that actually means..

[Rick_Muller]

I always wonder what that actually means..

If you think about it, it should be self explanatory

[TsarBomba]

We've all going to be upset by this story, I do get that, it is emotional so absolutely don't want to get into a squabble. But it's worth checking the reality. Murder rates in the UK are roughly the same as 10 years ago. Certainly not unrecognisable. And they're much lower than 20 years ago. I know crime stats are often distorted almost to the point of being useless, but 'homicides' are always going to be accurate.

If there is an increase or decrease in crime, it generally tracks with spending on policing and the justice department but that's another discussion for another time.

This isn’t the time or place for this discussion, but this isn’t the case. Not from what I’m seeing.

As an example, there was 5 stabbings in Lewisham two weeks ago on a Tuesday evening in the space of a couple of hours.

None of it was in the news or social media. People think it’s bad, but it’s truly, truly bad.

The worst I have seen in 17 years.

I’ll leave it there. I’m not going to add anything else apart from my thoughts are with those affected.

[morninbob]

Not terror related according to the news.

Mental health like the soldier

[RicardoMontalban]

We've all going to be upset by this story, I do get that, it is emotional so absolutely don't want to get into a squabble. But it's worth checking the reality. Murder rates in the UK are roughly the same as 10 years ago. Certainly not unrecognisable. And they're much lower than 20 years ago. I know crime stats are often distorted almost to the point of being useless, but 'homicides' are always going to be accurate.

If there is an increase or decrease in crime, it generally tracks with spending on policing and the justice department but that's another discussion for another time.

Spot on.

Probably not the time for such a discussion but it is interesting, the changing nature of crime (including the recording of crime), and the perception and fear of crime. The two don’t always track in a harmonious parallel and the reasons for that are myriad.

Suffice to say what an horrific incident today has been. The trauma that will leave on those young people and their families, and the community at large will run deep. The facts of what has occurred will come out soon enough, and speculation and conclusion jumping serves no positive purpose.

[Andreshotboots]

Wasn’t safe in 1987 (Hungerford) or 1996 (Dunblane) either then, but that doesn’t fit the present narrative to target certain types.

This is a horrific incident and my thoughts are with those affected

Not sure If that narrative quote was aimed at me or a general observation?

The two horrific incidents you described were firearms related, and laws were changed as a result relating to the ownership of guns.

The amount of knife related crime in this country is through the roof, and knives are still as easily accessible as buying a pizza with very little consequence for carrying one.

Knife crime is killing more people year after year and nobody seems willing to do anything about it.

One thing I certainly can agree with you though is that all our thoughts are with the victims and family of all involved..so sad..

[bfcjg]

Evil is alive and kicking, there is something seriously wrong in not just the UK when such things happen, it is a worldwide phenomenon at the moment, I think minds are poisoned by the Internet and normal behaviour and such horrendous acts almost merge. Not sure of the answer.

[ArmchairDetective]

I can't begin to imagine what the children and families are going through. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[CoolClaret]

Lost for words... Really is beyond tragic and it's events like this that leaves an indelible stain on the nation.

In the wake of such horrific events, I find myself questioning whether sharing news of these sick acts is worthwhile, as the perpetrator likely seeks notoriety to compensate for an otherwise miserable existence.

My genuine hope is that with the recent change in government, we'll see increased funding for public services, including more robust policing and counseling resources. Coupled with efforts to narrow the wealth gap, these measures may help minimise such utterly depraved acts in the future.

Those poor young kids, just sickening. My heart really does go out to all those affected by this

[Andreshotboots]

Two deceased and several critical the BBC have just announced. This horrific day heartbreakingly may get worse over the next few hours..

[BurnleyFC]

Absolutely horrendous.

My 6 year old is in holiday club for pretty much the whole summer and something like this doesn’t bear thinking about.

Mental health or not, this **** deserves the most painful death possible.

[Clovius Boofus]

Two deceased and several critical the BBC have just announced. This horrific day heartbreakingly may get worse over the next few hours..

Awful, absolutely awful news.

[Swizzlestick]

A 17 year old male has been arrested. Truly shocking incident.

[claretskeith]

Killing a child is the worst crime a human being can commit. Evil beyond comprehension. Devastating news.