• ARTICLE: Polish move for Churlinov

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:54 pm**

Out on a season long loan

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/polish-move-for-churlinov

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:56 pm**

Forgot the fee was around £4m for him. What an absolute waste

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:02 pm**

VfB Stuttgart were dancing with joy when they offloaded him on VK

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:10 pm**

I don't think he was anywhere near good enough from what I saw of him.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:12 pm**

His two misses v West Brom pretty much finished his time here with VK.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:15 pm**

Didn't we give him a 4 year deal as well? Edit just read the article, makes it even worse!

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:16 pm**

He was deemed good enough by VK for the Championship when we first signed him. Been unlucky with illness/injury.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:17 pm**

We do seem to loan a lot of players out rather than be able to sell them. Makes you wonder what contracts they are on.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:20 pm**

SuperClarets wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:16 pm
He was deemed good enough by VK for the Championship when we first signed him. Been unlucky with illness/injury.

He wasn't deemed good enough by VK for the Championship - he gave him the grand total of one start and hauled him off just after half time. That was at Stoke and he was dreadful. He started in the cup at Ipswich and came on early for Nathan Tella at Reading, he was no better than he'd been at Stoke.

But if VK had deemed him good enough, don't you think he'd have played him?

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:21 pm**

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:17 pm
We do seem to loan a lot of players out rather than be able to sell them. Makes you wonder what contracts they are on.

It's a worrying issue. We must have given them good contracts and/or we want too much money for them.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:23 pm**

VK must have had MUD in his eyes when watching the scouting videos.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:26 pm**

like a few of the signings whilst VK was here, dart at a dart board approach. Proper waste of money

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:27 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:20 pm
He wasn't deemed good enough by VK for the Championship - he gave him the grand total of one start and hauled him off just after half time. That was at Stoke and he was dreadful. He started in the cup at Ipswich and came on early for Nathan Tella at Reading, he was no better than he'd been at Stoke.

But if VK had deemed him good enough, don't you think he'd have played him?

I’m well aware of what games he played - I saw every minute he managed to play.

He was deemed good enough for the Championship as VK signed him for the Championship.

Ultimately another failed transfer that cost us a fee.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:28 pm**

SuperClarets wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:27 pm
I’m well aware of what games he played - I saw every minute he managed to play.

He was deemed good enough for the Championship as VK signed him for the Championship.

Ultimately another failed transfer that cost us a fee.

His stats must have looked good but I think the manager quickly deemed in not good enough

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:29 pm**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:23 pm
VK must have had MUD in his eyes when watching the scouting videos.

Gone from one extreme to the other with signings, from the Dyche era when he wanted to know as much about someone personally to the stats approach

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:30 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:28 pm
His stats must have looked good but I think the manager quickly deemed in not good enough

Just points towards a scattergun approach that we are now paying for.

He did the same when he spunked over £100m in the PL.

All points towards him not actually having a clue with regards to recruitment.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:39 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:29 pm
Gone from one extreme to the other with signings, from the Dyche era when he wanted to know as much about someone personally to the stats approach

Very good point, Tony.

Sean Dyche made his fair share of mistakes like all of us. On the whole, his "personality-driven" approach worked for us. However, the need to be able to talk to somebody in English and not through an interpreter, meant we didn't explore foreign markets.

We need both. Signing players already in England is so expensive. We still need to get into a position where we can recruit from abroad whilst trying to minimise risks.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:47 pm**

ecc wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:39 pm

Sean Dyche made his fair share of mistakes, However, the need to be able to talk to somebody in English and not through an interpreter, meant we didn't explore foreign markets.

Wow, I can't be arsed tonight but surely someone is going to ask you to explain this one, what a bizarre comment.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:48 pm**

SuperClarets wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:30 pm
Just points towards a scattergun approach that we are now paying for.

He did the same when he spunked over £100m in the PL.

All points towards him not actually having a clue with regards to recruitment.

We are paying for it. Alan Pace was so in awe of Kompany that he simply allowed him to bring in all of these meh type players at a considerable cost.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:55 pm**

SuperClarets wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:30 pm
Just points towards a scattergun approach that we are now paying for.

He did the same when he spunked over £100m in the PL.

All points towards him not actually having a clue with regards to recruitment.

The ‘scattergun approach’ seemed to work well when a team predicted to finish mid table by most on here ended up winning the league with 101 points & 3 defeats all season, including home and away wins against them lot. Funny how narratives change.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:59 pm**

SuperClarets wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:30 pm
Just points towards a scattergun approach that we are now paying for.

He did the same when he spunked over £100m in the PL.

All points towards him not actually having a clue with regards to recruitment.

This and CT's comment regarding going from one extreme to another with the stats approach is why I made a comment a fair while back on how I think Vincent Kompany (and his approach to recruitment/management) has all the indications of someone that is sat right on the top of Mt Stupid on the Dunning-Kruger Curve.

If he is able to properly self-reflect and challenge his own beliefs, then he may grow into a better manager. However, from what I've seen with his stubbornness and rhetoric, it points to someone that simply thinks that he is right and everyone else is wrong.

It can be difficult for people, especially those who excel in a certain pursuit (in this case VK playing football), to accept that their expertise in one area may not necessarily make them experts in other areas. To truly become an expert in another field, such as management, they'd be wise to take advice and differing opinions on board and reassess their current approach and beliefs.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:59 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:55 pm
The ‘scattergun approach’ seemed to work well when a team predicted to finish mid table by most on here ended up winning the league with 101 points & 3 defeats all season, including home and away wins against them lot. Funny how narratives change.

A lot of people have a very short memory, it's like the championship season never happened, and Kompany never did anything good.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:06 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:55 pm
The ‘scattergun approach’ seemed to work well when a team predicted to finish mid table by most on here ended up winning the league with 101 points & 3 defeats all season, including home and away wins against them lot. Funny how narratives change.

I remember hearing some fans thought we'd be fighting to avoid the drop that season.

Clubs buy players. With some it works out, with others it doesn't. That's just how it is.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:09 pm**

When you sign as many players to play the same position it's natural that some aren't going to contribute. There just wasn't any opportunity. We obviously knew that when we were doing it and it wasn't a problem for the summer 2022 window because we walked the league.

It's a shame in the case of Churlinov that the most expensive signing has contributed so little and that he's now on a contract that means we might well struggle to offload him next summer too (assuming we aren't making money since he's going to what I can't imagine to be a team that spends as much as we do). But just one of these things.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:42 pm**

Scott has obviously had a good look at him and decided that he's not going to contribute much in the Championship so hence the loan.
It's a shame that we can't sell him & recoup some of the fee.
I wish him well though.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:15 pm**

In the full context of our transfer business over the last two seasons, he’s just another poor signing, but in the context of the summer of 2022 and how many signings we made, he was one of the few genuine failures.

We signed Tella, Maatsen, Zaroury, Benson, Muric, Cullen, Harwood-Bellis, Beyer and Vintinho that summer who were all important parts of one of the most dominant teams Turf Moor has seen relative to the division we’ve been in.

Twine and Bastien played bit parts, but had the odd moment. Dervisoglu had one moment, which just left Churlinov and Egan-Reilly who genuinely did nothing at all to add to our points tally.

If you’d asked any football club needing to sign that many players in one summer if they’d, not only take that % hit rate, but also that the hits would play at the kind of level which would see the team romp the league, they’d snap your ******* hand off.

Al Dakhil & Ekdal also played important parts in our promotion when they arrived in January. Even Obafemi scored a few goals.

Yes we probably wasted a lot of those players last season, but by then they’d already helped the club get their noses back in the Premier League trough.

Under VK we got one summer about as right as it would be possible to get a transfer window and the next summer was the exact opposite.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 pm**

Unlucky to have an injury early on in his first season here and then when fit, we were destroying the league so didn’t get a chance again
Then that serious illness last summer kept him out for 6mths

Short loan to try and regain form/fitness

Now out on loan again

We’re getting loan fees for him, like we have with Wout, so that will recoup a chunk of whatever we paid for him so far
With a bit of luck he has a good season this time round, and is injury free

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:25 pm**

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:42 pm
Scott has obviously had a good look at him and decided that he's not going to contribute much in the Championship so hence the loan.
It's a shame that we can't sell him & recoup some of the fee.
I wish him well though.

On the face of it, a waste of £4m but given that he's spent much of his time out on loan, I'm wondering if those loan fees will significantly mitigate the club's initial outlay and hopefully it's a wage that is being met by the other club.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:29 pm**

Billyblah wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:25 pm
On the face of it, a waste of £4m but given that he's spent much of his time out on loan, I'm wondering if those loan fees will significantly mitigate the club's initial outlay and hopefully it's a wage that is being met by the other club.

I can’t imagine a club in Poland would be able to cover his wages let alone pay a loan fee.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:30 pm**

Don't forget he had a serious illness during his time here

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:46 pm**

Row x wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:30 pm
Don't forget he had a serious illness during his time here

Early last season and it was serious

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:15 pm**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:23 pm
VK must have had MUD in his eyes when watching the scouting videos.

I think a few of the directors will have Mud in there pants by now

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:13 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:29 pm
I can’t imagine a club in Poland would be able to cover his wages let alone pay a loan fee.

That's what I was thinking.
Bit strange really. You'd have thought another Championship club would come in for a £4m player on a cheap loan.
Presume he must want to go to Poland.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:15 pm**

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:13 pm
That's what I was thinking.
Bit strange really. You'd have thought another Championship club would come in for a £4m player on a cheap loan.
Presume he must want to go to Poland.

Perhaps he wants to go on a plumbing course ?

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:16 pm**

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:13 pm
That's what I was thinking.
Bit strange really. You'd have thought another Championship club would come in for a £4m player on a cheap loan.
Presume he must want to go to Poland.

I can’t imagine there’d have been a queue of Championship clubs

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:21 pm**

equinox wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:47 pm
Wow, I can't be arsed tonight but surely someone is going to ask you to explain this one, what a bizarre comment.

What a pity you don't understand it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:31 pm**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:15 pm
Perhaps he wants to go on a plumbing course ?

I had a really good laugh at that one. Class that mate, never heard anything like that before.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:32 pm**

I believe some of the so-called failures from that season were signed in desperation, we hardly had a squad at the time. As we improved the squad some of these became surplus to requirement.
Admittedly, taken out of context they do look like very poor signings.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:26 pm**

BigGaz wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:31 pm
I had a really good laugh at that one. Class that mate, never heard anything like that before.

May be next season

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:27 pm**

Shame, still thought he was going to be the best of the winger bunch........how wrong

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:39 am**

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:12 pm
His two misses v West Brom pretty much finished his time here with VK.

The WBA appearance was his sliding doors moment. Had he scored the winner he could have gone onto bigger and better things with us. Injury and illness hampered his time with us but I actually thought he looked ok at WBA and at Man Utd in the Cup. His movement was very good but his touch at important moments let him down. Maybe he was snatching at chances, desperate to make a mark, or maybe he just wasn't good enough.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:28 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:29 pm
Gone from one extreme to the other with signings, from the Dyche era when he wanted to know as much about someone personally to the stats approach

Waste not a penny through to if it moves...

Surely, Mr K must have had a clause about getting a fee per signing? He signed anyone, no matter what position. All the same level.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:33 pm**

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:15 pm
In the full context of our transfer business over the last two seasons, he’s just another poor signing, but in the context of the summer of 2022 and how many signings we made, he was one of the few genuine failures.

We signed Tella, Maatsen, Zaroury, Benson, Muric, Cullen, Harwood-Bellis, Beyer and Vintinho that summer who were all important parts of one of the most dominant teams Turf Moor has seen relative to the division we’ve been in.

Twine and Bastien played bit parts, but had the odd moment. Dervisoglu had one moment, which just left Churlinov and Egan-Reilly who genuinely did nothing at all to add to our points tally.

If you’d asked any football club needing to sign that many players in one summer if they’d, not only take that % hit rate, but also that the hits would play at the kind of level which would see the team romp the league, they’d snap your ******* hand off.

Al Dakhil & Ekdal also played important parts in our promotion when they arrived in January. Even Obafemi scored a few goals.

Yes we probably wasted a lot of those players last season, but by then they’d already helped the club get their noses back in the Premier League trough.

Under VK we got one summer about as right as it would be possible to get a transfer window and the next summer was the exact opposite.

Boshed the nail right on the bonce

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2024 5:40 am**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 pm
Unlucky to have an injury early on in his first season here and then when fit, we were destroying the league so didn’t get a chance again
Then that serious illness last summer kept him out for 6mths

Short loan to try and regain form/fitness

Now out on loan again

We’re getting loan fees for him, like we have with Wout, so that will recoup a chunk of whatever we paid for him so far
With a bit of luck he has a good season this time round, and is injury free

Are we getting a loan fee ?

Are the other club covering his full wages ?

It's not always the case

Still contracted to us until 2026 so it may be in his financial interest to stay here of his own volition rather than move

Nothing personal against the guy as we have a few more who we don't seem to be able to move on permanently

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2024 3:08 pm**

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 09, 2024 5:40 am
Are we getting a loan fee ?

Are the other club covering his full wages ?

It's not always the case

Still contracted to us until 2026 so it may be in his financial interest to stay here of his own volition rather than move

Nothing personal against the guy as we have a few more who we don't seem to be able to move on permanently

Loan fees have sometimes been just enough to cover wages, it was like that when we had Nugent I think

We won’t let him go out for nothing

He won’t go out on loan if he doesn’t want to play, there’s nothing stopping him copying Winston Bogarde when he was at Chelsea, but he’s going so…

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:22 pm**

Played 67 minutes today vs Cracovia.

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