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Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:13 am
by jedi_master
Firstly, let me preface what I am about to say with the fact that obviously every player deserves to retain their shirt from the display last night, that goes without saying!
I thought it was quite telling hearing Brownhill refer to 'tactics for different teams' and Parker in his post-match refer to this specific plan being in place for Luton. I am thinking that Cardiff (no disrespect intended, or arrogance) are a totally different proposition both in terms of their style of play and their relative squad strength to Luton. It would not surprise me if Parker brought a Weghorst/Amdouni/Zaroury into the starting eleven to supplement what is already there, although I am not sure who that would be in place of (possibly Roberts, with Vitinho dropping a bit deeper into right back?).
As I say, don't take any of this as a desire on my part to alter that fantastic team performance last night, I just think Parker has set his stall out that he is going to use his squad and will alter the set-up depending on the opposition more than we have been used to. Interested to hear what people think!
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:18 am
by Muric Leggings
The story goes never change a winning team I'll go with that.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:20 am
by ElectroClaret
I think all of our bench last night could play against Cardiff and I'd be pretty confident.
We have almost an embarrassment of riches at the moment, long may it continue.
I'm happy to leave it to the manager as and when
to change things around.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:22 am
by Bordeauxclaret
I’d be happy with the same eleven but there are some very good players at this level on the sidelines at the moment.
The next 18 or so days will be interesting but it’s looking like we will have a really strong squad.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:28 am
by Colburn_Claret
I'd mix it up.
The never change a winning team is fine with a small squad.
Match fitness is important, and no amount of training will replicate the real thing.
46 games is a long season, injuries from overplaying are common, why not use our biggest problem, the bloated squad, as an asset and utilise them all so that they can all feel part of the team.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:46 am
by burnley007
I just hope we can play as well as we did last night. If we do, Cardiff will be in big trouble.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:50 am
by TheFamilyCat
I was very impressed with Parker's comments about specific tactics for Luton, which I'm sure will apply to all teams.
If last night's team can execute the plan he has for Cardiff then I wouldn't change it.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:55 am
by morninbob
Roberts out, back to a back 4, and rest koleosho.
Trafford
Vitiniho O'Shea esteve pires
Cullen
Brownhill odebert
Benson foster zaroury.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:05 am
by Quickenthetempo
The modern way is to chop and change.
A lot of talent to come in as well.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:20 am
by FCBurnley
I’ll leave it up to Parker. He won me over last night !!
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:44 am
by Cornwallclaret
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:20 am
I’ll leave it up to Parker. He won me over last night !!
Agree with this.. he won me over last night too.. excellent performance from the team and music to all our ears with the post match interviews.. needs to work on his fist pumps though : ) hope he gets to practice often UTC
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:46 am
by Shaggy
Goalkeeper change. Berge played and possibly Weghorst on for Foster.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:34 am
by TopCat
morninbob wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:55 am
Roberts out, back to a back 4, and rest koleosho.
Trafford
Vitiniho O'Shea esteve pires
Cullen
Brownhill odebert
Benson foster zaroury.
Vithino is not a full back, can't defend, showed last night.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:54 pm
by Elizabeth
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:13 am
Firstly, let me preface what I am about to say with the fact that obviously every player deserves to retain their shirt from the display last night, that goes without saying!
I thought it was quite telling hearing Brownhill refer to 'tactics for different teams' and Parker in his post-match refer to this specific plan being in place for Luton. I am thinking that Cardiff (no disrespect intended, or arrogance) are a totally different proposition both in terms of their style of play and their relative squad strength to Luton. It would not surprise me if Parker brought a Weghorst/Amdouni/Zaroury into the starting eleven to supplement what is already there, although I am not sure who that would be in place of (possibly Roberts, with Vitinho dropping a bit deeper into right back?).
As I say, don't take any of this as a desire on my part to alter that fantastic team performance last night, I just think Parker has set his stall out that he is going to use his squad and will alter the set-up depending on the opposition more than we have been used to. Interested to hear what people think!
It's clear what you mean , all I'd say is that if after that performance Weghorst is brought into the starting eleven it would be a significant development and indicate there is more chance he will stay than leave
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:05 pm
by morninbob
TopCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:34 am
Vithino is not a full back, can't defend, showed last night.
It's Cardiff FFS, we won't be doing much defending.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:21 pm
by IrkthePurists
I’m going to put in a huge shout for Vitinho. For me he was one who came out of last season with credit for always putting a shift in and doing whatever job he was asked to do.
Last night exemplified that and whether he’s at full back or in midfield he’ll do for me.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:36 pm
by AlargeClaret
Surely as close as will allow to yesterday’s team ? Though Trafford /O’shea possibly not involved if deals close . We’ve so much talent at this level we’ve endless options . We could probs put out a 2nd team in the champ which would finish mid table .
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:57 pm
by claretskeith
Like I said the other day Vitinho looks at his best attacking right. I don't want to see him in defence.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:10 pm
by KlyBfc
Not really one for changing a winning team, but a ruthless manager may consider changing Vitinho (who was excellent last night) for a Benson or a Zaroury. Simply because Cardiff will probably come and sit deep and so a more orthodox winger who can cause damage with their ability to beat a man one v one, offer a goal threat cutting inside and attack both inside and out might give us more opportunities to break them down.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:18 am
by Goliath
The only way to manage a squad this size is to give them the feeling that they could have a part to play at any moment. Playing the same 11 every week would be a catastrophe for any squad morale.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:19 am
by CaptJohn
It will be a completely different challenge. Luton came onto Burnley so there was space behind to exploit which we did with devastating effect. Cardiff with all due respect will sit back and it will be for us to break them down. Possibly need two up front so Wout may be an option alongside Foster with Vitinho dropping to the bench. I might rest Koleosho (Just back from injury) with Zaroury starting. Other than that no need for wholesale change.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:47 am
by alwaysaclaret
Shaggy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:46 am
Goalkeeper change. Berge played and possibly Weghorst on for Foster.
Goalkeeper change for me as well, didn't have an awful lot to do, but the cross that came in from Luton right he was yet again flapping at, went right through he's hands, doesn't seem to have the co-ordination to put he's hands together and grab the damn thing, luckily was able to claim the ball a couple of seconds later. And was also flapping for the goal, had an opportunity to come out and claim the cross, surely he should have been able to anticipate where the cross was going but didn't, and then was floundering around the 6 yd box. On a wider note, it wouldn't surprise me to see SP make a few changes because he still needs to look at other player's in a match situation, to put him in a better position to make the tough decision on who stays and who goes, because we still need to trim this squad, hopefully the right one's go and we retain a squad very much capable of winning promotion.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:56 am
by ElectroClaret
If the aim is squad rotation then yes, keeper and centre forward have to be at least considered.
Although Foster was brilliant in setting up the last goal.
I'll leave it up to the manager.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:04 am
by KlyBfc
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:47 am
Goalkeeper change for me as well, didn't have an awful lot to do, but the cross that came in from Luton right he was yet again flapping at, went right through he's hands, doesn't seem to have the co-ordination to put he's hands together and grab the damn thing, luckily was able to claim the ball a couple of seconds later. And was also flapping for the goal, had an opportunity to come out and claim the cross, surely he should have been able to anticipate where the cross was going but didn't, and then was floundering around the 6 yd box. On a wider note, it wouldn't surprise me to see SP make a few changes because he still needs to look at other player's in a match situation, to put him in a better position to make the tough decision on who stays and who goes, because we still need to trim this squad, hopefully the right one's go and we retain a squad very much capable of winning promotion.
If people are expecting our new keeper from Ipswich to be free from errors they are going to be dissapointed. He’s a fairly substantial downgrade on Muric and had his sloppy moments last season himself. Trafford needs to improve on crosses but is an excellent shot stopper and certainly no worse with his feet than our number 2.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:08 am
by KRBFC
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:47 am
Goalkeeper change for me as well, didn't have an awful lot to do, but the cross that came in from Luton right he was yet again flapping at, went right through he's hands, doesn't seem to have the co-ordination to put he's hands together and grab the damn thing, luckily was able to claim the ball a couple of seconds later. And was also flapping for the goal, had an opportunity to come out and claim the cross, surely he should have been able to anticipate where the cross was going but didn't, and then was floundering around the 6 yd box. On a wider note, it wouldn't surprise me to see SP make a few changes because he still needs to look at other player's in a match situation, to put him in a better position to make the tough decision on who stays and who goes, because we still need to trim this squad, hopefully the right one's go and we retain a squad very much capable of winning promotion.
Talk about an agenda….. how can you possibly lay any of the blame on Trafford for Luton’s goal? Incredible. This hatred some supposed Burnley fans have with Trafford is just weird.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:10 am
by ElectroClaret
Trafford wasn't at fault for the goal.
Poor marking let that one in.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:16 am
by alwaysaclaret
KlyBfc wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:04 am
If people are expecting our new keeper from Ipswich to be free from errors they are going to be dissapointed. He’s a fairly substantial downgrade on Muric and had his sloppy moments last season himself. Trafford needs to improve on crosses but is an excellent shot stopper and certainly no worse with his feet than our number 2.
I'd have thought shot stopping was a basic skill for a goalkeeper. And Trafford spent most of last season needing to improve on crosses, we're into the new season and clearly he's still not improved at all, and I can recall at least 3 goalkicks that went out of play or were nowhere near hitting there targets, so all in all not much improvement as I could see, luckily Luton didn't give us the same test they did last season.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:25 am
by mikeS
Monday night was a real contrast to last year when the team was rarely the same line up.
I'm in the 'If it ain't broke' camp and so long as the team that started v Luton are all fit, go with that.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:32 am
by dougcollins
TopCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:34 am
Vithino is not a full back, can't defend, showed last night.
He wasn't playing at full back, Roberts was.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:32 am
by KlyBfc
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:16 am
I'd have thought shot stopping was a basic skill for a goalkeeper. And Trafford spent most of last season needing to improve on crosses, we're into the new season and clearly he's still not improved at all, and I can recall at least 3 goalkicks that went out of play or were nowhere near hitting there targets, so all in all not much improvement as I could see, luckily Luton didn't give us the same test they did last season.
I stick by my point. If you think that are new signing isn’t going to make mistakes, bad passes, miss control it etc you are going to be sadly disappointed. Trafford was nowhere near at fault for the Luton goal and in fact his reaction and speed across the ground meant he got something on the ball.
As for three passes that went a stray that’s not an awful lot really is it, I bet Brwonhill, Cullen, Odobert etc will have lost the ball three times too.
Ps Luton only scored two goals in two games against us last season and one of those was a foul on Trafford.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:37 am
by Walt
I'd be surprised if Koleosho starts given he went off and Parker has said he needs to be managed carefully. A great option for this game to come on for 20-30 mins when Cardiff are fatigued.
I also think Vitinho will either replace Roberts, or be benched. Allowing someone like Benson or Zaroury help break down Cardiff, who, as others have said will probably sit much deeper than Luton.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:42 am
by alwaysaclaret
KlyBfc wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:32 am
I stick by my point. If you think that are new signing isn’t going to make mistakes, bad passes, miss control it etc you are going to be sadly disappointed. Trafford was nowhere near at fault for the Luton goal and in fact his reaction and speed across the ground meant he got something on the ball.
As for three passes that went a stray that’s not an awful lot really is it, I bet Brwonhill, Cullen, Odobert etc will have lost the ball three times too.
Ps Luton only scored two goals in two games against us last season and one of those was a foul on Trafford.
Ok
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:51 am
by BleedingClaret
Walt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:37 am
I'd be surprised if Koleosho starts given he went off and Parker has said he needs to be managed carefully. A great option for this game to come on for 20-30 mins when Cardiff are fatigued.
I also think Vitinho will either replace Roberts, or be benched. Allowing someone like Benson or Zaroury help break down Cardiff, who, as others have said will probably sit much deeper than Luton.
Vitinho will play
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:05 am
by BleedingClaret
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:16 am
I'd have thought shot stopping was a basic skill for a goalkeeper. And Trafford spent most of last season needing to improve on crosses, we're into the new season and clearly he's still not improved at all, and I can recall at least 3 goalkicks that went out of play or were nowhere near hitting there targets, so all in all not much improvement as I could see, luckily Luton didn't give us the same test they did last season.
Agreed
Poor at crosses
Poor at coming off his line
Poor at anticipation
Punches when he should catch
Wayward long kicks
Weak under pressure from a big striker
Stretches up to catch rather than jumping, like Peter Crouch heading
On the plus
Didn’t take risks, either holding on to the ball too long or playing passes that were too difficult for his current ability. So that’s improved from last season
Not been one one with an oncoming striker yet
Last season made himself small not big
Needs to improve quickly if he’s to stay as number 1
He may get the time in this team in this league
I’m not convinced
But if Parker picks him
Then I’ll support him unless it starts to get ridiculous like last year
Just a young lad
May be a great keeper in time
Wasn’t ready last year at that level in a poor mis managed team
Good luck to him
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:13 am
by BleedingClaret
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:10 am
Trafford wasn't at fault for the goal.
Poor marking let that one in.
He definitely wasn’t to blame for the goal, but
Just a tiny bit of me at the time, before watching it back, thought that he could have anticipated the header across.
Probably too harsh
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:40 am
by summitclaret
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:10 am
Trafford wasn't at fault for the goal.
Poor marking let that one in.
Spot on. Luton scored in a very predictable way.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:25 pm
by mkmel
TopCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:34 am
Vithino is not a full back, can't defend, showed last night.
How the hell can you criticise Vitinho's performance on Monday night?
He was excellent throughout.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:47 pm
by Clive 1960
mkmel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:25 pm
How the hell can you criticise Vitinho's performance on Monday night?
He was excellent throughout.
And i thought Roberts was right back on Monday...
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:01 pm
by morninbob
Clive 1960 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:47 pm
And i thought Roberts was right back on Monday...
We matched them up 523, Roberts was rcb.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:38 pm
by Stonehouse
IrkthePurists wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 7:21 pm
I’m going to put in a huge shout for Vitinho. For me he was one who came out of last season with credit for always putting a shift in and doing whatever job he was asked to do.
Last night exemplified that and whether he’s at full back or in midfield he’ll do for me.
The way we played on Monday showed the importance of Vitinho ,when we attacked he was on the wing and when they attacked he dropped back to right back and Roberts moved inside to make 3 CH’s .
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:07 pm
by claretspice
mkmel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:25 pm
How the hell can you criticise Vitinho's performance on Monday night?
He was excellent throughout.
I'm a big fan of Vitinho and I thought he had a very good game on Monday but I thought he got caught napping for the Luton goal - I'd have expected him to be much closer to Doughty given the set up. That tendency to switch off is Vitinho's problem defensively (but he's not alone in that and he offers plenty).
Tricky selection for Parker on Saturday- suspect we'd ideally leave out one of Vitinho or Roberts for another attacker but it's tough to do that after the performance on Monday. Suspect Zaroury for Koleosho more likely, if we need to build Koleosho up carefully.
Re: Change of lineup for Cardiff?
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:49 pm
by Tall Paul
BleedingClaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:05 am
Agreed
Poor at crosses
Poor at coming off his line
Poor at anticipation
Punches when he should catch
Wayward long kicks
Weak under pressure from a big striker
Stretches up to catch rather than jumping, like Peter Crouch heading
On the plus
Didn’t take risks, either holding on to the ball too long or playing passes that were too difficult for his current ability. So that’s improved from last season
Not been one one with an oncoming striker yet
Last season made himself small not big
Needs to improve quickly if he’s to stay as number 1
He may get the time in this team in this league
I’m not convinced
But if Parker picks him
Then I’ll support him unless it starts to get ridiculous like last year
Just a young lad
May be a great keeper in time
Wasn’t ready last year at that level in a poor mis managed team
Good luck to him
Doesn't even rhyme