• Everton...Another Season of Struggle?

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:59 am**

A 0-3 battering at home to Brighton to start the season off, in what SD called a "horrible game" that also saw Ashley Young sent off, a defensive injury crisis already,
last season at GP and still no buyer on the horizon.

Not looking good.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:01 am**

Dyche looked like he had enough in the post match

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:01 am**

Guess that’s what happens when you sell your best players year on year and don’t replace them.

There squad right now is looking really really poor

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:03 am**

Shame

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:14 am**

One huge mess of a club.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:22 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:01 am
Guess that’s what happens when you sell your best players year on year and don’t replace them.

There squad right now is looking really really poor

Haven’t they only sold Onana, who wasn’t seemingly favoured by Dyche (according to their fans)? They’ve spent on a new cb and cm too?

I did lol at 42 year old Ashley Young starting again yesterday.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:28 am**

Tarks & Keane looked very vulnerable at the back. Braithwaite is a huge loss to them at present

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:33 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:22 am
Haven’t they only sold Onana, who wasn’t seemingly favoured by Dyche (according to their fans)? They’ve spent on a new cb and cm too?

I did lol at 42 year old Ashley Young starting again yesterday.

Which is a mental statement

I read the other day Onana played every minute that he was fit.

I think this will be there fourth summer in a row making a profit (large profit). They are selling everything they can

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:40 am**

How on earth have Everton stayed up last few seasons with the offloading of players in a” sell sell “ environment and seemingly paltry inward investment I’ve no idea . Lampard looked broken when he was saved by Richalson and Gordon ( neither truly replaced ) They shifted Onana,Iwobi etc . The club looks an utter shambles and despite Dyche’s noble firefighting , they’re now surely all about a shiny new stadium and a shiny new “ brand name “ manager .

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:48 am**

I used to quite like Everton but no time for them whatsoever now.

Ridiculous what they've got away.

People's club my ar-se.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:03 am**

I’m really shocked they haven’t gone in to admin and 777 got stung for £200m of debt.

You have to wonder.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:07 am**

The PL will do their utmost to prevent their relegation, as ever.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:12 am**

The best stadium in the Championship ?!

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:12 am**

I liked Everton in the 80s when they were a very good side,recently I've grown to dislike them with a passion the ideal scenario for me would us be swapping places with them come next May.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:17 am**

If you go on their forum , the comments about Dyche and some of the ex Burnley players could have been written on here 3-5 years ago. Perhaps the fans see the same thing. I feel this is the year they go down , they have avoided it the past few years, the side is aging and talent being sold . It needs a complete rebuild

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:17 am**

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:12 am
The best stadium in the Championship ?!

Apparently, that's what the Brighton fans were singing.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:21 am**

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:07 am
The PL will do their utmost to prevent their relegation, as ever.

Well they could have started that yesterday but they overturned a penalty awarded for them - despite sending the ref over to the monitor to review it then not showing it for him to do so

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:25 am**

turbo5 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:17 am
If you go on their forum , the comments about Dyche and some of the ex Burnley players could have been written on here 3-5 years ago. Perhaps the fans see the same thing. I feel this is the year they go down , they have avoided it the past few years, the side is aging and talent being sold . It needs a complete rebuild

The Everton forum I read yesterday the majority wanted Dyche gone..along with Michael Keane they really don't like him

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:36 am**

From the highlights on match of the day, Everton should/could have been 3 goals up. Same as Cardiff with us, but that's football.

They have 2 poor full backs for the level though.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:06 am**

Music to my ears. Cannot wait to see them drop

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:08 am**

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:25 am
The Everton forum I read yesterday the majority wanted Dyche gone..along with Michael Keane they really don't like him

Just shows how unrepresentative of the general support forums are. I live on Merseyside and know a lot of Everton fans and the overwhelming majority accept that Dyche is doing the best job possible with the hand he’s been dealt.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:12 am**

They are like a twitching corpse.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:13 am**

They're a bottom 6 club but they've still got a much stronger squad than the 3 that came up. Look at us last season...they were stronger all over the pitch in all the games against us and I don't see any of the promoted 3 being better. If they'd have taken their early chances yesterday the game would have panned out differently. As for Dyche, I know a lot of Everton fans and all are content with him.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:18 am**

That fanbase has been toxic for a while. I think a lot of Dyche’s principles that stood us in good stead for so long are difficult for other clubs to accept - a lot confused they spent £18m on a new CB (O’Brien) and left him on the bench but we know he likes to integrate players slowly. McNeil puts that sitter away and it could have been a different story but that’s the PL.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am**

Dyche simply cannot build a team for long term, zero evolution or improvement. Just a team of old players built for the here and now, which tends to immediately work but a few years down the line the senior pros aren’t quite as good.

The Everton fans are sick of Dyche, he’s spent some decent money there since going in and one of the complaints is his
obsession with calamity Michael Keane and Young.

You have just spent 23£m on a new central defender from Lyon, why is he still playing Keane

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:28 am**

We can but hope!!!

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:31 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am
Dyche simply cannot build a team for long term, zero evolution or improvement. Just a team of old players built for the here and now, which tends to immediately work but a few years down the line the senior pros aren’t quite as good.

The Everton fans are sick of Dyche, he’s spent some decent money there since going in and one of the complaints is his
obsession with calamity Michael Keane and Young.

You have just spent 23£m on a new central defender from Lyon, why is he still playing Keane

Because O Briens a player for the future!!

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:32 am**

They'll be fine.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:34 am**

I think Dyche is a solid Premier League manager who did amazing for us but I doubt he'll ever get a team to finish in the top half of the Prem

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:34 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am
Dyche simply cannot build a team for long term, zero evolution or improvement. Just a team of old players built for the here and now, which tends to immediately work but a few years down the line the senior pros aren’t quite as good.

The Everton fans are sick of Dyche, he’s spent some decent money there since going in and one of the complaints is his
obsession with calamity Michael Keane and Young.

You have just spent 23£m on a new central defender from Lyon, why is he still playing Keane

More lies, a minority are wanting Dyche gone.
This summer and last summer apart from Ashley Young he hasn't signed anybody over the age of 26, this summer the oldest is 24 is that not building long term?
He would have been close to Brighton in the league last season without points deductions, he's doing a good job.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:35 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am
Dyche simply cannot build a team for long term, zero evolution or improvement. Just a team of old players built for the here and now, which tends to immediately work but a few years down the line the senior pros aren’t quite as good.

The Everton fans are sick of Dyche, he’s spent some decent money there since going in and one of the complaints is his
obsession with calamity Michael Keane and Young.

You have just spent 23£m on a new central defender from Lyon, why is he still playing Keane

There a lot of things I disagree with you on but not this.

He won’t last the season

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:41 am**

For the past couple of seasons Everton have been among the lowest scoring teams in the PL which always makes them vulnerable to being drawn into a relegation scrap. Yesterday against Brighton no goals scored and just a single shot on target.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:43 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am
Dyche simply cannot build a team for long term, zero evolution or improvement. Just a team of old players built for the here and now, which tends to immediately work but a few years down the line the senior pros aren’t quite as good.

The Everton fans are sick of Dyche, he’s spent some decent money there since going in and one of the complaints is his
obsession with calamity Michael Keane and Young.

You have just spent 23£m on a new central defender from Lyon, why is he still playing Keane

I assume this must be a different Dyche to the one that was at Burnley for nearly 10 years (about as long term as you can get in football these days) and who oversaw a 2nd place finish, then a 1st placed finish, then kept us up (first time ever) and then went on to finish in the Europa League.

But you're right, never shown anything long term or improved anyone

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:03 am**

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:12 am
The best stadium in the Championship ?!

What tune were the Brighton fans singing that to?
Seems like an awkward one.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:07 am**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:03 am
What tune were the Brighton fans singing that to?
Seems like an awkward one.

To Joe Dolce’s “shaddap you face”

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:10 am**

boyyanno wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:43 am
I assume this must be a different Dyche to the one that was at Burnley for nearly 10 years (about as long term as you can get in football these days) and who oversaw a 2nd place finish, then a 1st placed finish, then kept us up (first time ever) and then went on to finish in the Europa League.

But you're right, never shown anything long term or improved anyone

Up and down like you said, for his final few years we were a badly aging declining pile of crap and that’s what happens when you sign old players on big wages over young alternatives. Give me Josh Cullen over Dale Stephens every day of the week. I’ll take Koleosho over Aaron Lennon too. I’ll have Vitinho over Bardsley too.

You add those 3 to the solid experienced foundation we had and suddenly it looks like planning for the future.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:17 am**

bumba wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:34 am
More lies, a minority are wanting Dyche gone.
This summer and last summer apart from Ashley Young he hasn't signed anybody over the age of 26, this summer the oldest is 24 is that not building long term?
He would have been close to Brighton in the league last season without points deductions, he's doing a good job.

He inherited an expensive squad and he’s obsessed with playing a 39 year old at full back. Obsessed with playing the hopeless Keane. 34 year old Gana Gueye another he’s obsessed with who gave away one of the goals Yesterday.

I read their forum and they hate Dyche, that might be a minority but do they speak for the majority of fans who don’t post? I have no idea

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:19 am**

I know a lot of Evertonians and they are not blaming Dyche but the owners for the mess they are in. They are hoping for the "big sugar daddy" to appear like magic, wave his wand containing billions and they will suddenly become a top four club once more, with a shiny new stadium. Deluded perhaps but they are a real sleeping giant with a massive fan base and serious potential. I doubt that Dyche would survive the magic wand though

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:25 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:10 am
Up and down like you said, for his final few years we were a badly aging declining pile of crap and that’s what happens when you sign old players on big wages over young alternatives. Give me Josh Cullen over Dale Stephens every day of the week. I’ll take Koleosho over Aaron Lennon too. I’ll have Vitinho over Bardsley too.

You add those 3 to the solid experienced foundation we had and suddenly it looks like planning for the future.

But anyone can do that.

Give me a Nick Pope over (anyone) etc etc

What a nonsense argument.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:27 am**

Give me Chris Wood over Michael Obafemi.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:27 am**

They had a big money backer and cocked it up

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:41 am**

Have they any other options other than youngsters for Gana Gueye though? Ditto Young, who else have they got? They’re a shambles off the pitch and it’s clear deals aren’t being done to help the team, other than O’Brien, N’Diaye and Irongebenoum (spelling!), who did start.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:48 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:17 am
He inherited an expensive squad and he’s obsessed with playing a 39 year old at full back. Obsessed with playing the hopeless Keane. 34 year old Gana Gueye another he’s obsessed with who gave away one of the goals Yesterday.

I read their forum and they hate Dyche, that might be a minority but do they speak for the majority of fans who don’t post? I have no idea

Well I do have an idea, they don’t. Dyche is generally well liked by the Everton fans after managing to keep them up with two points deductions.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:48 am**

boyyanno wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:25 am
But anyone can do that.

Give me a Nick Pope over (anyone) etc etc

What a nonsense argument.

Nonsense arguments are his specialty when it comes to Dyche.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:08 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:10 am
Up and down like you said, for his final few years we were a badly aging declining pile of crap and that’s what happens when you sign old players on big wages over young alternatives. Give me Josh Cullen over Dale Stephens every day of the week. I’ll take Koleosho over Aaron Lennon too. I’ll have Vitinho over Bardsley too.

You add those 3 to the solid experienced foundation we had and suddenly it looks like planning for the future.

Koleosho would have been about 10 when we signed Lennon

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:12 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:17 am

I read their forum and I hate Dyche, I might be a minority but i do speak for the majority of fans who don’t post
I have no idea what I am talking about

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:12 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:10 am
Up and down like you said, for his final few years we were a badly aging declining pile of crap and that’s what happens when you sign old players on big wages over young alternatives. Give me Josh Cullen over Dale Stephens every day of the week. I’ll take Koleosho over Aaron Lennon too. I’ll have Vitinho over Bardsley too.

You add those 3 to the solid experienced foundation we had and suddenly it looks like planning for the future.

The irony is the season we signed dale Stephens that summer and stayed in the premier league that season.

With Cullen and Koleosho we were relegated with the lowest points tally in Burnley’s history (3 point season).

It’s not as simple as you make out. You need to find a balance. That was something both VK and Dyche failed at.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:33 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:34 am
I think Dyche is a solid Premier League manager who did amazing for us but I doubt he'll ever get a team to finish in the top half of the Prem

I seem to remember an excellent season touring Europe.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:43 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:12 pm
The irony is the season we signed dale Stephens that summer and stayed in the premier league that season.

With Cullen and Koleosho we were relegated with the lowest points tally in Burnley’s history (3 point season).

It’s not as simple as you make out. You need to find a balance. That was something both VK and Dyche failed at.

That was the final window when Dyche had all the power and we brought in Aaron Lennon and Dale Stephens, both on wages north of £30,000 a week. Like we both said, you need balance of which both VK and Dyche failed to find.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:06 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:17 am
He inherited an expensive squad and he’s obsessed with playing a 39 year old at full back. Obsessed with playing the hopeless Keane. 34 year old Gana Gueye another he’s obsessed with who gave away one of the goals Yesterday.

I read their forum and they hate Dyche, that might be a minority but do they speak for the majority of fans who don’t post? I have no idea

Expensive squad maybe but who would you pick at right back instead of him?
There's a lot going on at Everton that I wouldn't be blaming Dyche for.

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