Last 10 years Dyche has been the dogs boll*cks but has he finally become a busted flush and destined for the scrap heap?? He'll be a hero at Burnley till time ends but its a little sad that we might be his pinnacle

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 14, 2024 11:44 pm

Last 10 years Dyche has been the dogs boll*cks but has he finally become a busted flush and destined for the scrap heap?? He'll be a hero at Burnley till time ends but its a little sad that we might be his pinnacle

No, he's been dealt a **** hand.

Love the bloke

Always think the summer after we finished 7th was a sliding doors moment for Dyche. Weren't we in for players like Ziyech at the time? We were a few players away from being a really good team. Then a combination of lack of ambition from the board and then covid a few yers later, then Everton having no money means he reverted to type and played the way he knows best to get results with average squads.

Can't see him lasting long at Everton now, but I still think he would have done a good job at a Villa or a Spurs given the chance. Think that has passed him by now and his next job will probably be as either a premier league firefighter or a "project" in the championship.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 14, 2024 11:54 pm

No, he's been dealt a **** hand.

Love the bloke

Fair point but let me know when you think he's been dealt an even / plus hand and see how he does. Dyche is one of the top 10 English managers but his skills will keep the likes of Burnley in the top tier more than mange some top team to win the league

Nope. He’s got a squad that is paper thin in quality, in the basement with confidence and a home crowd that cannot wait to start screaming and shouting their disquiet at whomsoever makes the next mistake.

They wet themselves when DC-L scored and Keane looked almost resigned to conceding that goal as it went in. It may well be a season too far but there are still plenty of teams that haven’t won a game yet. He’s doing what he’s always done. They went 2-0 up at Villa and lost to a worldie. Dyche will use that to get them ready for their next game - however, it won’t be him, it will be the players on the pitch that can’t do it. Relying on Young, Coleman (yes, I know he was injured) and Keane is rock bottom.

Without deductions Everton got 48 pts last year and would have finished 12th. If they are anywhere near the bottom 4 or 5 they are going backwards and need to sort it out quick cos if Everton drop they could proper implode

I don't think he has the energy for it anymore. Managers at that level tend to have a complete obsession with the game these days. He makes it clear he doesn't have that.
He was probably a better manager 5 years ago before constantly battling the odds wore him down.

Can they afford to sack him?

I think he'll carry on, yet again, hands tied behind his back until he's sacked from Everton .. then he'll either retire and never be heard of again, as he steps back from the game and takes a well earned early retirement ..

The other scenario sees him taking on a project Club, close to his heart such as Chesterfield or Northampton ...

He always has been a limited manager.. plug and play tactics, poor in game management and not the best wheeler/dealer.

I do actually think he will keep Everton up but I don’t think he will be given the chance to complete the season.

You can’t argue with the job he did there last season.Only in the mess because of the deductions.They probably have some older players they need to get rid off defensively,I think they are missing braithwaite badly.He will keep them up still I fancy on a so called shoestring at that lever is that sufficient for Everton? There fans are bad when they turn they wait in the car park and hound you etc.I believe maupay got dogs abuse at the train station after spurs,then did one days later.

Clarets4me wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:40 am

I think he'll carry on, yet again, hands tied behind his back until he's sacked from Everton .. then he'll either retire and never be heard of again...

You must be joking.
When the sacking season gets into the swing, PL clubs
(Like Southampton, Ipswich, Leicester maybe, and a few more) will be desperate for someone like SD to try to keep them up. (Reckon he'd love the Leicester job).

Everton certainly wont be his last job.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:30 am

Can they afford to sack him?

More to the point who with any managerial pedigree would go to Everton at the moment? Who knows who will own it and what agenda they will have possibly in only a few weeks time?

He’s doing such a good job that even a basket case club like Everton won’t sack him. He’s stabilised the playing side and got them performing. Any lower Prem side would be glad to have him.

I've always thought Dyche in a well run club with a lot of money would beca top 10 manager,he was shafted at Burnley by the previous regime, shafted at Everton by basket case owners and a fan base that is as toxic as they come. People forget the amazing football we played at times,especially when Defour played,but for his injuries who knows what we could have achieved.

When you are forced to play Ashley Young, you know the squad is threadbare.

When Keane is a guaranteed starter, you know the squad is threadbare.

When you are willing Coleman back from injury, you know the squad is threadbare.

This obsession with Sean Dyche is worrying. I think most neutrals want Everton down but can we not just concentrate on our present manager who's doing a fine job?

I tend to watch them now because of Dyche. They were reasonable going forward and probably could have scored a couple more. He would say "fine margins" and he's right. Their fans are not particularly supportive though so I think he's pretty close to the exit at the minute.

Everton is a mess
“Better” managers have come and gone from there and it’s gradually become worse overtime

Not sure they’d do better if Moyes was to return either and I know some fans get misty eyed at that suggestion

Dyche has only been there 20mths, 3 full transfer windows

That isn’t enough to deal with the mess
Their squad was disjointed after years of poor transfer windows and decisions
That DCL remains their main striker just shows how bad their transfer policy has been

Yes I get that people on here hate Dyche, which is bizarre after everything he did to move the club forward, but to not see that he’s been dealt a crappy hand at Everton speaks volumes about them

Sean's is being shafted by Evertons incompetent board restricting his spending? Sounds familiar and it didn't end well for us with shallow pockets Garlick not releasing funds for Sean .

It's actually weird watching Everton. I half want them to do well because of Dyche, Keane, Tarks and McNeil, but hate their entitled fans, and it is hilarious watching their meltdowns.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:10 am

When you are forced to play Ashley Young, you know the squad is threadbare.

When Keane is a guaranteed starter, you know the squad is threadbare.

When you are willing Coleman back from injury, you know the squad is threadbare.

Those are Dyche decisions, he signed a centre half for £20m who’s sat on the bench. Same with £45m worth of strikers.

Dyche was a busted flush along time ago, dinosaur managers have been phased out because fans simply do not want to watch that crap week in week out. It means he won’t last long anywhere, the fans simply won’t put up with it.

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:13 pm

It's actually weird watching Everton. I half want them to do well because of Dyche, Keane, Tarks and McNeil, but hate their entitled fans, and it is hilarious watching their meltdowns.

I want them to fail miserably, but I don't want Dyche to fail, weird position to be in

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:38 pm

Dyche was a busted flush along time ago, dinosaur managers have been phased out because fans simply do not want to watch that crap week in week out. It means he won’t last long anywhere, the fans simply won’t put up with it.

There needs to be a balance though. Watching us in the Prem last season trying to play "Total football" was rubbish and pathetic as well, as it could never work. A mixture of pass and move, and being direct is the only way you can gain success unless you have an endless supply of wealth.

Where Dyche doesn’t convince me is that I think the way forward to stay up on a lower budget in the modern game needs extreme pace, we saw yesterday what that can do on the break against Leeds, despite a very pragmatic defensive shape. If we had Foster fit we would have been even more dangerous. I’m not convinced Dyche agrees with this, he overvalues the slower target man to get the ball up the pitch fast, and he overvalues defensive reliability in wide players (instead of just being willing to track back, but not being brilliant at it, as our wingers did just fine yesterday).

It makes for a very tough watch and this is one reason the Everton fans don’t take to him. Maybe he has had his time? Football evolves and the Premier League has in the last few years.

Yep definitely a dilemma - would love Everton to get relegated. Horrible club and horrible fans.

Yet Dyche has been one of the most successful managers in the clubs history and he should always be made welcome at Burnley after what he did for the club. And Tarks, Keane and Dwight all give us fantastic times and commitment - and let’s not forget we made the best part of £50m profit on those 3 players.

Of course there were times when the football was not great - but to paint his all tenure like that as some fans do (well one so called fan in particular) is beyond ridiculous. As fantastic as VK’s football was when we won the championship it was every bit as enjoyable to watch (in a tougher league) when we had Ings, Vokes, Trippier etc.

And however bad the football was at times under Dyche at its very worst it was never the sustained sh-ite that we had to put up with last season.
So under VK half of it was very good and half of it was atrocious. Dyche’s percentage and good and bad was significantly more good.

All that said ideal scenario is Everton pot SD then get relegated (with Chris Sutton and Alan Shearer as joint managers) and Tarks, Keane and Dwight all agree to join the clarets as we get promoted !!

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:58 pm

Where Dyche doesn’t convince me is that I think the way forward to stay up on a lower budget in the modern game needs extreme pace, we saw yesterday what that can do on the break against Leeds, despite a very pragmatic defensive shape. If we had Foster fit we would have been even more dangerous. I’m not convinced Dyche agrees with this, he overvalues the slower target man to get the ball up the pitch fast, and he overvalues defensive reliability in wide players (instead of just being willing to track back, but not being brilliant at it, as our wingers did just fine yesterday).

It makes for a very tough watch and this is one reason the Everton fans don’t take to him. Maybe he has had his time? Football evolves and the Premier League has in the last few years.

But is it possible for any promoted side to stop up comfortably, like we did, without any money, unless you have a pragmatic approach?

Apparently Southampton are trying to play like we did last season and so far it's resulted in four heavy defeats.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:04 pm

But is it possible for any promoted side to stop up comfortably, like we did, without any money, unless you have a pragmatic approach?

Apparently Southampton are trying to play like we did last season and so far it's resulted in four heavy defeats.

I was trying to agree that pragmatism is needed but that a quicker pragmatism than Dyche prefers, so more like we had yesterday. e.g. Dyche would prefer Harrison on the right to, say, Koleosho, but I would pick Luca every week over Harrison, who is also decent and fairly quick but is better defensively.

I think we would all agree the tactics of Southampton and us last season would be doomed.

And on the 7th day the fisherman casteth his net.. and a haul of abundance did he foresee…

I don't think it is fair to judge any manager based on Everton. Pep would have his work cut out there.

Everton are bobbins despite Dyche

He’s an excellent manager, but is struggling at that car crash of a club like many managers before him.

He might need to take a step away and reinvent himself a bit like David Moyes did, but he’s most definitely worthy of another Premier League job.

Dyche should have a statue outside the training ground as a tribute to his achievements at our club and it would be fitting at the training ground as his achievements paid for that fantastic facility, any Burnley fan that derides Dyche isn't really a Burnley fan

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:10 am

When you are forced to play Ashley Young, you know the squad is threadbare.

When Keane is a guaranteed starter, you know the squad is threadbare.

When you are willing Coleman back from injury, you know the squad is threadbare.

Wasn't it Dyche himself that signed and wanted Young

The other two I'll give you .

I am hugely grateful for all Sean did at Burnley, though I believe he should have left at the end of the season before he was sacked.

However, whilst wishing him well personally, I hope he does the square root of f*** all now he has gone. I don't want any other team to do well I am a Burnley and England fan, have a vague liking for a couple of foreign teams where I have been to watch League games, but I'm not an equal opportunity 'football' fan - I hate everyone!!

Dwight and Calvert-Lewin look to be ones to come out of this mess with some credit.

O'Brien had a mixed season at Lyon. Bagged a fair number of goals for a CB but is right-footed.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:09 pm

I was trying to agree that pragmatism is needed but that a quicker pragmatism than Dyche prefers, so more like we had yesterday. e.g. Dyche would prefer Harrison on the right to, say, Koleosho, but I would pick Luca every week over Harrison, who is also decent and fairly quick but is better defensively.

I think we would all agree the tactics of Southampton and us last season would be doomed.

Dyche would absolutely love Koleosho.

louieollie wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:38 pm

Wasn't it Dyche himself that signed and wanted Young

The other two I'll give you .

I think that was all he could get with his budget. Shades of Dale Stephens!

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:14 pm

I don't think it is fair to judge any manager based on Everton. Pep would have his work cut out there.

Pep would fail. Like Kompany.

Their system relies on the best of players, not the clods of Everton or the naive of Burnley.

louieollie wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:38 pm

Wasn't it Dyche himself that signed and wanted Young

The other two I'll give you .

Yes he did because Young is a steady pro who offers something even now at that level

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:28 pm

Yes he did because Young is a steady pro who offers something even now at that level

Problem is Dyche is too fond of his steady pros.

Got us well up the PL with some great football.
Why this didn't springboard BFC and SD to greater things is a mystery to me.

Exeterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:31 pm

Problem is Dyche is too fond of his steady pros.

Young started 27 league games last season, with an additional 4 appearances as sub, and played 2300 mins in the league
At 38/39 yrs old that’s pretty good

Nothing wrong with being fond of a steady pro who’s that productive

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:38 pm

Got us well up the PL with some great football.
Why this didn't springboard BFC and SD to greater things is a mystery to me.

We got into Europe & we probably did as well as is possible for a smaller club that isn't bankrolled.

Actually Villa the bloke scored a worldie to win at the weekend and after that Everton hit the bar and the ball bounced out instead of in. Unlucky really. But to lose a two goal lead twice in consecutive games is not good.

ecc wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:13 am

This obsession with Sean Dyche is worrying. I think most neutrals want Everton down but can we not just concentrate on our present manager who's doing a fine job?

He is, but some people possess the ability to discuss a number of topics

Threads about one of our most successful managers of all time, who is managing a basketcase of a club, are only to be expected. No need to call it an obsession.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:01 pm

We got into Europe & we probably did as well as is possible for a smaller club that isn't bankrolled.

A lot forget that we matched the 17/18 season, points-wise, two seasons later. I think we were top of the post-restart form league, weren't we?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:38 pm

Got us well up the PL with some great football.
Why this didn't springboard BFC and SD to greater things is a mystery to me.

Because the side needed refreshing with some new faces to replace those who were coming to the end of their peak in the PL. Unfortunately the man in charge decided it was more important to deposit large sums of money into the club's account to maximise the value in the club when he decided to sell it. We were crying out for a dynamic box to box midfielder, unfortunately we ended up with Dale Stephens.

Would love to see him get a chance at a good, well run club. I know i will be in the minority, but I genuinely think he has forgotten more about football management than some of the more overrated financially backed managers like Eddie Howe or Marco Silva know.