Elbow in the face of Sarmiento

[CHEWBACCA]

Just before the goal..
Not sure if it's been mentioned already but didn't look good,was just outside the box.
Sorry if it's been highlighted already .
https://www.skysports.com/football/vide ... highlights

[JrC]

And a kick in the ankle. By their captain.
I think it was retribution (and a continuation of their general thuggish behaviour) as he was the player Sarmiento beat and curled his goal around.

Ref was a general disgrace all game - ignoring their holding, kicks and trips that were directly in front of him.

Apparently we fouled them 15 times. They only fouled us four times - which I assume doesn’t include the judo throw by Murphy on Hannibal as sky sports suggest both their yellows were for arguements

[Middle-agedClaret]

From the BBC report on the game. I imagine that their stats are objective and bias-free.

Goalkeeper saves
Burnley 1Portsmouth 2

Aerial duels won
Burnley 12Portsmouth 15

Fouls
Burnley 15Portsmouth 4

Corners
Burnley 4Portsmouth 2

But maybe it’s all part of some ant-BFC conspiracy.

[boatshed bill]

Just before the goal..
Not sure if it's been mentioned already but didn't look good,was just outside the box.
Sorry if it's been highlighted already .
https://www.skysports.com/football/vide ... highlights

He should have been sent off for that.

[distortiondave]

From the BBC report on the game. I imagine that their stats are objective and bias-free.

Goalkeeper saves
Burnley 1Portsmouth 2

Aerial duels won
Burnley 12Portsmouth 15

Fouls
Burnley 15Portsmouth 4

Corners
Burnley 4Portsmouth 2

But maybe it’s all part of some ant-BFC conspiracy.

Is this suggesting that Portsmouth only committed 4 fouls all game?
I wasn't on the game, but only committing 4 fouls in 90+ minutes seems really unlikely low.

[ElectroClaret]

Think he would have seen red under VAR.

[Benson]

From the BBC report on the game. I imagine that their stats are objective and bias-free.

Goalkeeper saves
Burnley 1Portsmouth 2

Aerial duels won
Burnley 12Portsmouth 15

Fouls
Burnley 15Portsmouth 4

Corners
Burnley 4Portsmouth 2

But maybe it’s all part of some ant-BFC conspiracy.

You’re the only one suggesting that.

[JrC]

Think he would have seen red under VAR.

Yeah. The ball went past him to the ref. Probably clocked the ref turning away and then clearly raised his elbow and jumped into Sarmiento. Pretty sure he managed to kick his boot off as well. Noticed he was “genuinely” down in real time but couldn’t see how.

Unfortunately - even if VAR had sent him off - they would’ve finished with 11 men on the pitch….

Has anyone found a replay of Murphy’s booking, the bust up on the halfway line leading to the booking or the one a few minutes earlier where it looked like they took out our player who was taking a throw in on the Longside and then slide in on another player?

Don’t like to see games broken up by numerous bookings or play being held up - but today it was happening anyway, and usually went the wrong way.

No idea what he was thinking most of the time. Lost count how many times he got in the way of our players, or even ran towards the ball like a defender closing it down

[bobinho]

From the BBC report on the game. I imagine that their stats are objective and bias-free.

Goalkeeper saves
Burnley 1Portsmouth 2

Aerial duels won
Burnley 12Portsmouth 15

Fouls
Burnley 15Portsmouth 4

Corners
Burnley 4Portsmouth 2

But maybe it’s all part of some ant-BFC conspiracy.

Stats are what they are. If you watched the game, you’ll know what happened. If you are taking whatever stats are presented to give you an Idea as to how the game went, then you’re a fool. (Not specifically aiming that at you btw)

Basically, stats are ********. And from the BBC are neither bias free nor objective.

[nil_desperandum]

Basically, stats are ********. And from the BBC are neither bias free nor objective.

Statistics such as possession don't always tell the full story, but I'm intrigued:
How can a foul count or corner count be biased or lack objectivity?

[bfcmik]

Statistics such as possession don't always tell the full story, but I'm intrigued:
How can a foul count or corner count be biased or lack objectivity?

Nobody is suggesting that the count, and reporting, of fouls given is incorrect, more that the referee seemed to feel obligated to penalise every challenge that resulted in a Portsmouth player saying, "OW!" at least until nearer the end of the game where he started giving advantage all the time. However, by then he had totally lost control of the Portsmouth players when it came to time-wasting, committing fouls or just preventing free-kicks being taken.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Nobody is suggesting that the count, and reporting, of fouls given is incorrect,

I thought that’s exactly what bobhino WAS saying.
I do get his wider point about putting too much faith in statistics.
As noted, the “ possession “ stat is pretty meaningless, as is the pass completion one.
UTC.

[nil_desperandum]

Nobody is suggesting that the count, and reporting, of fouls given is incorrect,

But that is what Bobinho's post seemed to imply. He said that the BBC stats showed bias and lacked objectivity.
Surely a foul count is a totting up process and can't involve any bias.
Yes, the referee got lots of them wrong but the BBC can't be blamed for that.

[bfcmik]

I do get his wider point about putting too much faith in statistics.
As noted, the “ possession “ stat is pretty meaningless, as is the pass completion one.
UTC.

It would be interesting to get a count of how 'advantage' decisions we got today. If those were counted as fouls the totals would have been far more even.

[ElectroClaret]

Basically, stats are ********. And from the BBC are neither bias free nor objective.

Not wanting to appear obtuse or argumentative here, but why would the BBC be biased against
Burnley?

Genuine question.

[boatshed bill]

Not wanting to appear obtuse or argumentative here, but why would the BBC be biased against
Burnley?

Genuine question.

Or biased towards Portsmouth?

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Trafford didn’t just make one save - clearly incorrect

You can only evaluate stats when the stats are right

Not the BBC’s fault - they just collate from other sites - not bias, just incompetence

[ElectroClaret]

Or biased towards Portsmouth?

Absolutely.

[123EasyasBFC]

Unfortunately we are going to have more teams that come to Burnley go slow the game down every chance they get like Portsmouth did today. It’s up to the ref to not fall into tie niggles and touch in back and falling over fouls.

Norris in goal started time wasting in the first half, had the ref booked him like many refs booked Trafford in the past then in the second half he doesn’t take half as long.

I actually think Portsmouth were lucky there was only 8 minutes added on

[Vintage Claret]

If the ref had seen it he would probably have given a free kick to Portsmouth, seemed to be his default action whenever any vaguely physical contact took place..

[Woodleyclaret]

An away blower is a relatively new concept
Pompey were totally out of control with multiple fouls, time wasting and playacting to con the most inept ref we've had the misfortune to have in many a long year
This fool should never be on the league list he was a absolute disgrace.

[beeholeclaret]

Their manager had the cheek to say the ref was ONLY penalising Portsmouth in hurrying his players up for goal kicks and free kicks. He said the ref made no attempt to discourage Burnley’s timewasting? What the * is that all about. Why would we have wasted time (apart from last 2 minutes maybe?).

[Roosterbooster]

The ref made no attempt to discourage Burnley’s timewasting?

To be fair he's right
The ref did make no attempt to discourage our timewasting
He also didn't add on any time for pitch invaders
Or add on any time because of floodlight failure

[ClaretCliff]

Not wanting to appear obtuse or argumentative here, but why would the BBC be biased against
Burnley?

Genuine question.

It all stems from the 1960s and Bob Lord banning the BBC from Turf Moor and threatening to burn their cameras if they didn’t remove them.

[Ipreferaflan]

The ref instantly stopping play as soon as a Portsmouth player went down was infuriating. I may be wrong, but I thought it was just head injuries where they were supposed to stop. He played right into their game plan and as such there was no flow to the game. You really noticed the difference in referee quality between EFL and PL.

[nil_desperandum]

Trafford didn’t just make one save - clearly incorrect

How many did he make?
I can only think of three, but two didn't count because the linesman had flagged for offside,and we got a free-kick rather than a corner.

[bobinho]

Not wanting to appear obtuse or argumentative here, but why would the BBC be biased against
Burnley?

Genuine question.

No problem, I wasn’t exactly thinking of this particular instance, more a generalisation really that the BBC are constantly reminding us how neutral they are, whilst not really being it.

[Down_Rover]

But that is what Bobinho's post seemed to imply. He said that the BBC stats showed bias and lacked objectivity.
Surely a foul count is a totting up process and can't involve any bias.
Yes, the referee got lots of them wrong but the BBC can't be blamed for that.

Yes because Worrell and Esteve had more completed passes between them than the other 20 players combined

[Tricky Trevor]

Grow a pair lads, that was a nothing. He raised his elbow and caught him more in the chest than the head. Sarmiento took no damage as soon as he knew we’d scored he dived on the pyramid over Brownhill.
The refs are being screwed this season by the over emphasis on playing advantage.

[Juan Tanamera]

Grow a pair lads, that was a nothing. He raised his elbow and caught him more in the chest than the head. Sarmiento took no damage as soon as he knew we’d scored he dived on the pyramid over Brownhill.
The refs are being screwed this season by the over emphasis on playing advantage.

So raising an elbow intentionally is a nothing?
Mmmmm!

[nil_desperandum]

Yes because Worrell and Esteve had more completed passes between them than the other 20 players combined

Not sure how that's relevant to how many fouls each team committed and whether the BBC totted them up correctly.
Your post does demonstrate, however, how meaningless some of the pass completion and possession statistics can be.
Something on which I think most of us agree.

[Down_Rover]

Not sure how that's relevant to how many fouls each team committed and whether the BBC totted them up correctly.
Your post does demonstrate, however, how meaningless some of the pass completion and possession statistics can be.
Something on which I think most of us agree.

Exactly my point