Chris Wood penalty gives Forest lead

Forest have a tree rooted to the spot in goal.

That was some free kick. It went in like a rocket.

Amazing turn round just before half time

Now, you’ll be surprised to hear this, but Rob Jones is the centre of attention.

He showed 3 reds I think but I am sure Hendrick got a straight red for one of those tackles at Watford a few years ago, which wasn't even as bad. It doesn't matter if he won the ball, he could have broken both legs there.

Here we are..a perfect example of where the game is going soft. Gibbs-White sent off for a second yellow with what was a perfectly good ball winning tackle. He clearly wins the ball but because it was deemed "intense" he sees a second yellow. Rob Jones initially signalled he had got the ball but then for some reason changed his mind. That reason being 4th official Anthony Taylor. Disgraceful decision. No wonder Nuno was furious and got sent off.

The game really is heading the wrong way.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:50 pm

Here we are..a perfect example of where the game is going soft. Gibbs-White sent off for a second yellow with what was a perfectly good ball winning tackle. He clearly wins the ball but because it was deemed "intense" he sees a second yellow. Rob Jones initially signalled he had got the ball but then for some reason changed his mind. That reason being 4th official Anthony Taylor. Disgraceful decision. No wonder Nuno was furious and got sent off.

The game really is heading the wrong way.

Those 'scissor' tackles have always been a sending off. Like I said above, Hendrick was sent off at Watford for one that was nowhere near as bad.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:50 pm

Here we are..a perfect example of where the game is going soft. Gibbs-White sent off for a second yellow with what was a perfectly good ball winning tackle. He clearly wins the ball but because it was deemed "intense" he sees a second yellow. Rob Jones initially signalled he had got the ball but then for some reason changed his mind. That reason being 4th official Anthony Taylor. Disgraceful decision. No wonder Nuno was furious and got sent off.

The game really is heading the wrong way.

He doesn't get the ball, it was as bad as the pne sending off.

Commy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:49 pm

He showed 3 reds I think but I am sure Hendrick got a straight red for one of those tackles at Watford a few years ago, which wasn't even as bad. It doesn't matter if he won the ball, he could have broken both legs there.

In a word..B***ocks. He won the ball with a hard but fair tackle. He misses it's a different story. He didn't. We never used to see yellows when the ball was won only in exceptional circumstances..and that wasn't one of them. It's heading the wrong way.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:50 pm

Here we are..a perfect example of where the game is going soft. Gibbs-White sent off for a second yellow with what was a perfectly good ball winning tackle. He clearly wins the ball but because it was deemed "intense" he sees a second yellow. Rob Jones initially signalled he had got the ball but then for some reason changed his mind. That reason being 4th official Anthony Taylor. Disgraceful decision. No wonder Nuno was furious and got sent off.

The game really is heading the wrong way.

Gibbs-White was very lucky to not see a straight red for that. A yellow card was soft and regardless of how they got there he was correctly dismissed. Winning the ball is irrelevant.

That said, does the 4th official have any jurisdiction to advise the ref on on-field incidents?

morninbob wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:52 pm

He doesn't get the ball, it was as bad as the pne sending off.

He doesn't get the ball?? Are you watching the same game?

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:53 pm

In a word..B***ocks. He won the ball with a hard but fair tackle. He misses it's a different story. He didn't. We never used to see yellows when the ball was won only in exceptional circumstances..and that wasn't one of them. It's heading the wrong way.

It isn't B***ocks. The laws of the game have changed no matter what we think. It is now a sending off.

Rob Jones deemed he had got the ball. Anthony Taylor has intervened and said it was too intense and dangerous. That is what has happened and that is what I disagree with.

Commy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:56 pm

It isn't B***ocks. The laws of the game have changed no matter what we think. It is now a sending off.

Exactly..and it's wrong. As i say it's heading the wrong way.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:55 pm

Gibbs-White was very lucky to not see a straight red for that. A yellow card was soft and regardless of how they got there he was correctly dismissed. Winning the ball is irrelevant.

That said, does the 4th official have any jurisdiction to advise the ref on on-field incidents?

When it’s Jones with the whistle I reckon some bloke sat at the back of the stand should have jurisdiction.

Taylor clearly told him to get the cards out.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:53 pm

In a word..B***ocks. He won the ball with a hard but fair tackle. He misses it's a different story. He didn't. We never used to see yellows when the ball was won only in exceptional circumstances..and that wasn't one of them. It's heading the wrong way.

Winning the ball in what you deem to be fair pales secondary to endangering an opponent.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:58 pm

When it’s Jones with the whistle I reckon some bloke sat at the back of the stand should have jurisdiction.

Taylor clearly told him to get the cards out.

According to the FA the 4th official can advise the referee on situations that are happening outside of their view. So it’s possible that Taylor was entitled to advise Jones if he had a better view of the incident.

I think judging by how many of you think that that challenge justifies a straight red shows how brainwashed we have become to this soft side of the game. Maybe it is my age but i remember that challenge being common place and would receive rapturous applause for commitment and the skill of the tackle.
Graeme Souness loved that kind of challenge. Roy Keane. Could go on. They'd struggle in todays game.
There was a challenge in The Palace/Man Utd game yesterday by Martinez where he jumped in with 2 feet and landed on the ball. Now because the player was the other side of the ball he got away with it. Now that was reckless so how does he get away with that?

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:09 pm

I think judging by how many of you think that that challenge justifies a straight red shows how brainwashed we have become to this soft side of the game. Maybe it is my age but i remember that challenge being common place and would receive rapturous applause for commitment and the skill of the tackle.
Graeme Souness loved that kind of challenge. Roy Keane. Could go on. They'd struggle in todays game.
There was a challenge in The Palace/Man Utd game yesterday by Martinez where he jumped in with 2 feet and landed on the ball. Now because the player was the other side of the ball he got away with it. Now that was reckless so how does he get away with that?

It isn't being brainwashed. I personally think the game has gone soft but those tackles are now a sending off. There is nothing we can do about it so we just have to get on with it.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:09 pm

I think judging by how many of you think that that challenge justifies a straight red shows how brainwashed we have become to this soft side of the game. Maybe it is my age but i remember that challenge being common place and would receive rapturous applause for commitment and the skill of the tackle.
Graeme Souness loved that kind of challenge. Roy Keane. Could go on. They'd struggle in todays game.
There was a challenge in The Palace/Man Utd game yesterday by Martinez where he jumped in with 2 feet and landed on the ball. Now because the player was the other side of the ball he got away with it. Now that was reckless so how does he get away with that?

Do you not think players get injured enough as it is & some seem to be forever on the treatment table it's football not UFC. Regarding martinez think it was coote he interpreted it as not that bad & as I recall (think it was kamada) he was a distance away.

Commy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:12 pm

It isn't being brainwashed. I personally think the game has gone soft but those tackles are now a sending off. There is nothing we can do about it so we just have to get on with it.

There is nothing we can do about it but you can disagree and think it's a bag of sh**e surely? As i said at the start..its another example of the game going the wrong way.

Jones is such a poor referee and whether it was Taylor or not who told him to give a second yellow, the right decision was made. Gets the ball but his trailing leg follows through in that ‘scissors’ motion. Gibbs-White knows what he’s doing.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:14 pm

Do you not think players get injured enough as it is & some seem to be forever on the treatment table it's football not UFC. Regarding martinez think it was coote he interpreted it as not that bad & as I recall (think it was kamada) he was a distance away.

That's fine if he had flying kicked him, gone in high or two footed. None of those happened in this case. EVERY tackle endangers an opponent. It's a contact sport. Do we ban tackling?
That tackle doesn't get a yellow in non league football. I've been to watch Bury and Padiham a few times recently and they get stuck in..but fairly. The fans appreciate it too.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:23 pm

That's fine if he had flying kicked him, gone in high or two footed. None of those happened in this case. EVERY tackle endangers an opponent. It's a contact sport. Do we ban tackling?
That tackle doesn't get a yellow in non league football. I've been to watch Bury and Padiham a few times recently and they get stuck in..but fairly. The fans appreciate it too.

It's what deemed as fair. For sure there's a degree of risk involved in every tackle but there's also a distinct difference in every tackle how that risk is interpreted & the intent involved. I'd rather more focus went into stamping out the really hard tackles & keeping players fit. In some cases you could let a lot go for sure. I won't get drawn in comparisons with non league football I wouldn't know where to start.

burnmark wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:20 pm

Jones is such a poor referee and whether it was Taylor or not who told him to give a second yellow, the right decision was made. Gets the ball but his trailing leg follows through in that ‘scissors’ motion. Gibbs-White knows what he’s doing.

I think the correct decision was made, however if Taylor or Oliver were the referee would a junior fourth official have overruled them?

The Premier League is turning into the Taylor & Oliver show

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:30 pm

It's what deemed as fair. For sure there's a degree of risk involved in every tackle but there's also a distinct difference in every tackle how that risk is interpreted & the intent involved. I'd rather more focus went into stamping out the really hard tackles & keeping players fit. In some cases you could let a lot go for sure. I won't get drawn in comparisons with non league football I wouldn't know where to start.

Well that's the problem right there isn't it? All about interpretation. My concern is what was deemed a good hard fair tackle is being stamped out especially at the top end of the game. It's a sliding scale and every challenge is different. Some more clear cut than others.
The "scissor challenge" is a funny one. A true scissor challenge in my mind involves both feet off the ground and the opponents leg going inbetween. I think many are too quick to call a lot of challenges a scissor tackle. Another problem is satisfying the intent part. Many get called but in a lot of cases the defender has nowhere to put his trailing leg..it moves naturally with him in most cases. A good example being the Ben Mee incident with Wesley a few years ago. Villa fans livid and calling it a scissor tackle but Mee clealry wins the ball but has nowhere to put his trailing leg. No intent we all said and rightly so.
So when i see some of our fans calling this challenge today as a scissor challenge and a straight red I just chuckle to myself.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:48 pm

So when i see some of our fans calling this challenge today as a scissor challenge and a straight red I just chuckle to myself.

Yet you are seemingly the only person who's posted that thinks it wasn't at the very least a yellow card offence. That challenge has warranted at least a yellow card for a very long time.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:51 pm

Yet you are seemingly the only person who's posted that thinks it wasn't at the very least a yellow card offence. That challenge has warranted at least a yellow card for a very long time.

I stand by that too. Whether it is warranted by the laws of the game or not doesn't alter my opinion that he wins the ball in a hard but fair way. I recognise that it often receives a yellow. My argument is that the law as it stands is an ass and that slowly but surely the game is going soft at the top level.

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:00 pm

I stand by that too. Whether it is warranted by the laws of the game or not doesn't alter my opinion that he wins the ball in a hard but fair way. I recognise that it often receives a yellow. My argument is that the law as it stands is an ass and that slowly but surely the game is going soft at the top level.

I agree that the game is going softer in terms of allowable contact between players, but I don’t think this particular incident is a good example. I doubt any fans want to see their best player out for a season with a serious injury and their clubs certainly don’t. Gibbs-White tackle was reckless and endangered the safety of his opponent, I think most football fans would prefer such tackles to be illegal.

Good tackle from gibbs-white and jones got the decision right first time. What we can be sure of is that if it hadn’t been overturned by whoever, nobody would have been screaming for a sending off.

Officiating has ruined the PL, so glad we’re not in it. Imagine being so weak as a referee you let the 4th official make decisions for you.

Have Forest put a tweet out about it yet ? Are they considering options again ?

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:19 pm

Good tackle from gibbs-white and jones got the decision right first time. What we can be sure of is that if it hadn’t been overturned by whoever, nobody would have been screaming for a sending off.

Officiating has ruined the PL, so glad we’re not in it. Imagine being so weak as a referee you let the 4th official make decisions for you.

Kind of makes the idea of going for promotion pretty pointless. It's unlikely the officiating will be changing anytime soon.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:38 am

Kind of makes the idea of going for promotion pretty pointless. It's unlikely the officiating will be changing anytime soon.

Well yeah, it is pretty pointless on the whole, surely everyone knows that by now? The only real point to going up is the money means you can have a fun year or two when you inevitably come back down.

No teams are going up to compete these days. At best they might tread water for a few years but it’s a money league, not a football league.

Several things can be true at the same time. You can think the game has gone soft but also appreciate what now qualifies as a yellow card.

It was a stupid tackle to make on two counts, one because it was highly likely you were getting a yellow. The other that the situation didn't merit that kind of risk.

One of the things I can't get my head around is when players pick up a cheap yellow. You are very much walking a fine line from then on. Agsinst Rovers there was one player who theatrically hit the floor when Hannibal ran behind him - obviously to try and milk a second yellow.

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:35 am

Well yeah, it is pretty pointless on the whole, surely everyone knows that by now? The only real point to going up is the money means you can have a fun year or two when you inevitably come back down.

No teams are going up to compete these days. At best they might tread water for a few years but it’s a money league, not a football league.

I have to say I am beginning to come around to this view. Its a conundrum ...

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:09 pm

Graeme Souness loved that kind of challenge

The kind of challenges that Souness liked were outlawed 20 years ago

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:09 pm

Graeme Souness loved that kind of challenge. Roy Keane. Could go on. They'd struggle in todays game.

Rightly so!
Some of the challenges them 2 put in could have been career ending.

But the games going soft

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:01 am

Have Forest put a tweet out about it yet ? Are they considering options again ?

Did Forest ever get punished for essentially accusing a match official of being a biased cheat?