Xg in 15 premier league games 1.57

Xg in 9 championship games 0.65

For a team of our quality in this league that is really poor output.

I thought he really really struggled last night and to me it looked like his head has gone. I think he either needs to be moved onto the left or dropped for 5-6 games

Looks like he's trying too hard sometimes. Saying that, he was doubled up most of the game yesterday so it's no wonder he struggled. We needed to take advantage of that

No. Especially not now when we're riddled with injuries. He'll be back up to form soon.

Belial » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:56 am

Looks like he's trying too hard sometimes. Saying that, he was doubled up most of the game yesterday so it's no wonder he struggled. We needed to take advantage of that

He is trying too hard but doubling up had absolutely nothing to do with it last night. He was in tonnes of space many times against a very average side. He was definitely not successfully tightly marked, he had acres of space! It was just that he wasted pretty much every opportunity in the vast amount of space he found himself in multiple times.

Every choice was wrong, he had the touch of an elephant, the decision choices of Keir Starmer and the passing ability of Carlton Palmer!

Repeating myself from the match thread last night, but we need to put him out left. He seemed far more effective from the left than the right last season. Suppose the OP's stats don't really back that up but I'd imagine most would agree from what they saw of him.

Failing that, start him on the bench for a couple of games.

Just as a side note, I thought their left back did really well last night

No he shouldn’t.

There's an argument to rest him, play Anthony / Flemming / Sarmiento behind a proper number 9, and then bring him in as an impact sub against a weary defence for the last 30 a la Benson while his form picks up.

Yes. He’s not played well all season. I can see his pace is a real asset but he isn’t a good footballer and if it were anybody else everyone would be saying he needs to be dropped.

Maybe this gives an insight into why footballers move while they can or clubs sell at certain times. It is only about 2 months since there was a meltdown when there were stories he may be sold, now the discussion is should he be dropped.

I've said before,play him in the Tella role, we know he can finish ie Leeds away, we know he has the pace that would terrorise centre halves and in Flemming he has the perfect partner.

He’s a young lad who’d hardly played before signing for us, thrust straight into a poor Premier League team, picked up a bad injury and has now become first choice again.

A bit of time on the bench might not be a bad thing for him. Perhaps a chance to regain some confidence coming on against a tired defence.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:51 am

I've said before,play him in the Tella role, we know he can finish ie Leeds away, we know he has the pace that would terrorise centre halves and in Flemming he has the perfect partner.

I agree with this get him down the middle and put Sarmiento on the right wing.

No.

He offers what our other wingers don’t - raw pace.

No

No, he'll be fine.

He does get plenty of the ball in good positions and has not been doing enough with it most of the time so his place in the starting line up is clearly going to be questioned.
There is probably not another Burnley player under the spotlight as much as Koleosho when we are attacking because of the hype that surrounds him and the occasional flash of brilliance he has shown.
While this is not his fault it has often led to disappointment in most of his performances by the majority of fans. Does Parker drop him? Certainly not for the sake of the fans but if he feels it's best for the team then Yes.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:54 am

I agree with this get him down the middle and put Sarmiento on the right wing.

Interesting concept. Would mean a 4-2-4 formation. The two would have to be Laurent and Cullen which leaves no room for Brownhill or Hannibal. I doubt SP would try this TBH but it would terrorise a tiring defence. Perhaps worth a try with 15 minutes to go if we were losing.

BigChaCha wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:12 am

He is trying too hard but doubling up had absolutely nothing to do with it last night. He was in tonnes of space many times against a very average side. He was definitely not successfully tightly marked, he had acres of space! It was just that he wasted pretty much every opportunity in the vast amount of space he found himself in multiple times.

Every choice was wrong, he had the touch of an elephant, the decision choices of Keir Starmer and the passing ability of Carlton Palmer!

I disagree. Watch it back amd you'll see every time he got the ball out wide they had 2 players run at him

He needs to be played on the left before we consider dropping him.

He needs to be dropped really but we just can't afford to. I think his defensive value to us means that he has to play every game.
I do think we are asking him to sit too deep when we don't have the ball though. It's almost Dyche esque where we bring both wingers all the way back so they can end up at full back.

Personally I'd let him cheat a little in most games so we can turn defensive into attack quickly with a ball in behind their full back

He definitely doesn't justify a starting spot every game.
He is obviously very talented, but as others have said he tries too hard and far too often overplays it.
His crossing is practically non existent, which for a winger is ridiculous.

Disappointing team performance last night, but SPs post match statement shows he sees it the way we do. Great up until the edge of the box, then we run out of ideas and don't create anything. A massive part of that conundrum is Luca.

I worry about the coaching here, because if we and SP see the same issue, why does Koleosho play the same week in week out. A spell in the U21s with instructions to learn how to ping a cross in, and instructions of keeping control of the ball when he cuts inside. We all want to see him succeed, he'll be a real asset in the future, but we can't keep playing him while we wait for him to deliver.

Parker is doing the right thing in bringing him off when he is not playing well. The return of players like Redmond and Tresor is taking an eternity, but when fit then if he is still out of sorts he becomes an impact sub

No!
We’d have no speed, no movement and many would nod off.
He just needs coaching about where to put the ball when he gets in good positions and the other forwards need to be in those positions to give him options.

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:29 am

No!
We’d have no speed, no movement and many would nod off.
He just needs coaching about where to put the ball when he gets in good positions and the other forwards need to be in those positions to give him options.

It’s his final ball for me that is his biggest issue. How many times was he in a great position yesterday and either misplaced a simple pass or over hit a cross.

He has quickly got to learn this side of his game or he will have to be dropped.

He would be a really valuable sub if a team was pushing up against us looking for a goal and we wanted to break in behind. Given the way we defend and that we often win I think those situations will be few and far between. Keep him in the team and hope for the best, at least until the injured lads are back.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:35 am

It’s his final ball for me that is his biggest issue. How many times was he in a great position yesterday and either misplaced a simple pass or over hit a cross.

He has quickly got to learn this side of his game or he will have to be dropped.

You’re putting all the blame on him- his final ball needs to improve - but the lad needs someone to pass to.

When he played on the left wing, he could use his pace to get to the by-line and cut in to the penalty area, placing a killer pass around the penalty spot that would inevitably end up in the back of the net. Whereas at the moment he very rarely gets to the by-line on the right and instead always comes inside, which he then hits a wall of player defending that area, and inevitably loses the ball. He should be on the left for me.

Does better when there's space to exploit but in a team that dominates the ball I don't think he should be involved as much in the buildup play or be tasked with being a main creative threat.

I'd also have him as a 'wide forward' - Vini jr lite, so to speak.

Have to say he doesn't look comfortable on the right wing( how football has changed when a right footed player can't seem to be effective on the right hand side). Anthony appears to have claimed the left wing spot so it's a bit of a headache really.
Phenomenal pace which I would like to see him use keeping it simple, pushing the ball outside the defender and then having a footrace. Then again what do I know? Needs some confidence restoring and I'm not sure leaving him out of the team would do that. All in all not a productive post from me.

Yes. He looks miles off the pace.

His only problem last night was his passing. That takes two to tango. They need to work more on ensuring an outlet, Roberts needs to get down the line, having Flemming as a 10 not a 9 will help, they need to work more on passing sequences in training.

It doesn’t help when Hull have a back 7 at times and we are risk averse and having little support up top. He is also on the wrong side, being right footed but told not to go down the line and cross (risk averse, lose the ball and we have a guy out of position).

Awful first half an hour last night - like most of the team to be fair. But he then made a run into the box and a great chance for himself that nobody else in our team (and very few in the league) has the ability to do.
He occupies 2 or 3 players every time he starts running at them and he’s a massive outlet in terms of his speed and the way we are playing.
He’s also not scared of tracking back and together with his pressing he is putting more work in than anybody else on the pitch. It’s got to be a big reason why he is playing every week as we do not have any other player with his speed and fitness.

He’s a very young lad with still only a few games in his career playing in the first team. His final ball and decision making needs to get better but it will. At his age and the way he plays it’s impossible to avoid inconsistency.

I am sure SP realises that it is going to be very difficult for him to keep him playing like he does twice a week without it leading to either injury or displays like last night. But we have very few options with our squad and the injuries we have at the moment.

‘Dropping’ him for 5 or 6 games as being suggested above seems crazy. For who ? If we think we look pedestrian now how will we look without Koleosho ? If we can manage to rest him for a game or 2 and bring him back a bit fresher that would be great.

But we need to be applauding Koleosho for what he has given to us not criticising him.

Yes. No excuses for last nights shocking performance and doubled up had nothing to do with it. The first 5 times, minimum, he had the ball he passed it away. Including a pass to a Hull player in our penalty area. Apart from the one fabulous run into the heart of their box he was useless. He is not the same player we saw at the start of his PL career. Something is wrong in his life.

Sarmiento doesn’t appear as dangerous but seems to have for more end product, if he’s fit we should shake it up & see.

Along with returning Josh L to the midfield.

Absolutely. He’s lucky he’s lasted as long as he has for me. I genuinely don’t remember the last time we had a winger who gave the ball away as much as he does. Has to take the man on every single time rather than giving the ball simple.

All this about him being better on the left, he was just as poor playing on the left last year too. Odobert was always 10 times the player Koleosho is but everyone seems to rate Koleosho as the better of the two. Sooner he is dropped for me the better so he can try and rebuild some confidence making some cameo appearances

No. He's being shunted onto his weaker side to accommodate Anthony who is only just starting to justify that decision (I would still prefer Koleosho there). He either needs to be played on the left or given time to adjust his game to playing on the right.

That said, I think rotation when we have 3 games in 7-8 days is a good idea. I would just consider Koleosho first choice and thus starting 2 of the 3.

Yes.

Overseascricketer wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:32 am

Absolutely. He’s lucky he’s lasted as long as he has for me. I genuinely don’t remember the last time we had a winger who gave the ball away as much as he does. Has to take the man on every single time rather than giving the ball simple.

All this about him being better on the left, he was just as poor playing on the left last year too. Odobert was always 10 times the player Koleosho is but everyone seems to rate Koleosho as the better of the two. Sooner he is dropped for me the better so he can try and rebuild some confidence making some cameo appearances

According to stats he actually only gave the ball away 7 times last night (1 every ten mins). Which actually isn’t that bad.

However, I think it appears to be more than that due to how bad them 7 times were (for example in there final third) they stand out a lot more.

I do agree though regarding confidence. I thought his head was gone last night

I tihnk he needs to sit a game out to feel like he needs to fight for his place again.

He should be dropped but unfortunately we don’t have anyone to replace him apart from Saramiento, who hasn’t exactly set the world on fire.

Koleosho should be dropped to the bench for a couple of games just to take the pressure off him his blind pass straight to a Hull player on the edge of our box in the first half shows he’s not thinking properly against Leeds he got the ball in a similar position and 10seconds later “goal” he is too inexperienced to fully affect games at the moment SP should tell him he is giving him a break on the bench against QPR it will give him time to rest and think. He going to be a very good player but he need managing wisely at the moment then we might get the best out of him

Goliath wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:08 am

His defensive value to us means that he has to play every game

This is a wind up right?

He has absolutely zero knowledge about defending. Plays like he's never been given an iota of defensive coaching

NO absolutely not

no, he shouldnt be dropped because he is our most naturally gifted footballer. By a country mile.

He occupies defenders, who do we have who's going to do that instead of him?

He moved over to the left in the second half in one match this season and played really well when he was on that side. It might have been Oxford but not sure. He might be better there as Pires plays some nice balls down that side. They could link up very well.

Get him on the left.

It's so frustrating watching him playing out of position and clearly struggle. Persisting with this could ruin a young player that looked absolutely fearless at one point and is now just a picture of perpetual frustration.

Let one of our other wingers adapt to playing on their less natural side and let our most exciting attacking player prosper.

Madness what were doing with him at present. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:58 pm

no, he shouldnt be dropped because he is our most naturally gifted footballer. By a country mile.

We must have a different opinion on what a naturally gifted footballer is.

Glen Little was a naturally gifted footballer, while Koleosho is a tremendous athlete who's been coached into a decent player but still needs further refinement to achieve his maximum ability.

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:58 pm

no, he shouldnt be dropped because he is our most naturally gifted footballer. By a country mile.

Definitely isn't our most gifted footballer