Has anybody heard anything about this? Mentioned by the club at the recent FAB meeting apparently.

Read it - not a fan

Concerning

Did they identify both of Kompanys ?

I would imagine its used in a lot of places these days ... the following off tinterwebby thingummybob.

"Retailers such as Home Bargains, Co-op supermarkets, Flannels and Sports Direct have been using live facial recognition technology software supplied by company Facewatch, to identify shoplifters in their stores across the UK"

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:09 pm

Did they identify both of Kompanys ?

Brilliant

It's already in use in a lot more places than you realise, I'm not really bothered

I was told about this about 6 weeks ago along with CCTV being able to zoom in on every seat.

I don't think they were under the impression it was being used though.
It won't be cheap having the specialist operatives.

We’ve started using facial recognition.

In essence, we upload all images of people that are wanted into the database. I think in the Met it’s something like 14 thousand images.

The cameras will take a picture of your face, and obviously if you match, officers will come and engage.

The error rate is something obscenely low- from memory about 1 in 40,000.

If you are not wanted and your face doesn’t match any image in the database, then your picture is deleted straight away.

Of course I’m biased, but I think it’s excellent. If you’re not wanted by the Police, then you really have nothing to worry about.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:34 pm

We’ve started using facial recognition.

In essence, we upload all images of people that are wanted into the database. I think in the Met it’s something like 14 thousand images.

The cameras will take a picture of your face, and obviously if you match, officers will come and engage.

The error rate is something obscenely low- from memory about 1 in 40,000.

If you are not wanted and your face doesn’t match any image in the database, then your picture is deleted straight away.

Of course I’m biased, but I think it’s excellent. If you’re not wanted by the Police, then you really have nothing to worry about.

Couldn’t agree with you more but the Civil Liberties Brigade will be along any minute now.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:34 pm

We’ve started using facial recognition.

In essence, we upload all images of people that are wanted into the database. I think in the Met it’s something like 14 thousand images.

The cameras will take a picture of your face, and obviously if you match, officers will come and engage.

The error rate is something obscenely low- from memory about 1 in 40,000.

If you are not wanted and your face doesn’t match any image in the database, then your picture is deleted straight away.

Of course I’m biased, but I think it’s excellent. If you’re not wanted by the Police, then you really have nothing to worry about.

Yes because matchday at Turf Moor has always been a haven for fugitives and villains.
I can understand it high risk areas like airports or even shops where there is a risk of theft, but why have them at a football ground?

groove wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:40 pm

Yes because matchday at Turf Moor has always been a haven for fugitives and villains.
I can understand it high risk areas like airports or even shops where there is a risk of theft, but why have them at a football ground?

Perhaps for people with banning orders from attending football matches

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:41 pm

Perhaps for people with banning orders from attending football matches

Really? High spec surveillance so Jimmy from Padiham doesn't breach his banning order?

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:41 pm

Perhaps for people with banning orders from attending football matches

If that's the case, it's seems to be using a sledgehammer to crack a nut!

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:34 pm

If you’re not wanted by the Police, then you really have nothing to worry about.

This is nothing to do with the police though. It’s put forward by the chairman and no other club uses it.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:46 pm

This is nothing to do with the police though. It’s put forward by the chairman and no other club uses it.

But for what purpose? Surely not to prevent someone using someone else's ST!

Stonehouse wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:37 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more but the Civil Liberties Brigade will be along any minute now.

Those pesky civil liberties hey. You won't know anything about civil liberties until they've been completely removed, which is where we are heading in general, not just at the Turf.

Covid masks are on the increase in Burnley.

It’s a great way to identify the early-leavers.

Maybe it’s to change the way we gain entry?

Currently, we have a coded ST card that has to be handed over and scanned by another person who then activates a lever that frees up the turnstile. Thats after being held in a queue to be frisked by someone who has received no training, and who doesn’t really want to be there anyway….

Anything that improves the way we get into the ground has to be welcomed if you ask me.

I can’t really think of anything “sinister” as to why they would use this - maybe those of you who are against it (or are worried by its use) could help me out by explaining what exactly it is that’s not sitting well?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:46 pm

This is nothing to do with the police though. It’s put forward by the chairman and no other club uses it.

Interesting. Questions need to be asked.

Like I say, I’m in favour of it, but it needs to be heavily regulated.

As someone who is into strict policing and law and order I actually don’t like this at all.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:58 pm

Maybe it’s to change the way we gain entry?

Currently, we have a coded ST card that has to be handed over and scanned by another person who then activates a lever that frees up the turnstile. Thats after being held in a queue to be frisked by someone who has received no training, and who doesn’t really want to be there anyway….

Anything that improves the way we get into the ground has to be welcomed if you ask me.

I can’t really think of anything “sinister” as to why they would use this - maybe those of you who are against it (or are worried by its use) could help me out by explaining what exactly it is that’s not sitting well?

You don't need/aren't required, to hand your card to the turnstile operator. Just scan it yourself. Maybe nothing sinister but why? How will they get every person's photo, especially casual attendees?

groove wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:00 pm

Has anybody heard anything about this? Mentioned by the club at the recent FAB meeting apparently.

Was there any reason given as to why this was being considered? Did any of the FAB members ask?

Nothing to hide, not bothered either way

Facial recognition cameras is just one step closer to enforcing social credit scores

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:34 pm

If you’re not wanted by the Police, then you really have nothing to worry about.

The post office scandal has shown that people who are known to be totally innocent are regularly convicted.

Lots of negativity around facial recognition systems but why if you have done nothing wrong & it helps with safety? No one on here has said they are going to stop going on holiday flights as all airports use it.

Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:26 pm

Lots of negativity around facial recognition systems but why if you have done nothing wrong & it helps with safety? No one on here has said they are going to stop going on holiday flights as all airports use it.

Or shop in major high street retailers ...

How about they introduce a PA system first, that’s fit for purpose, before a facial recognition system? Just a thought.

Claretitus wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:31 pm

How about they introduce a PA system first, that’s fit for purpose, before a facial recognition system? Just a thought.

Or master the art of putting away tickets in envelopes.

Not against it but I'd rather they spend some money finishing replacing the wooden seats in the CFS or as Claretius says above, getting a PA system you can actually understand.

Could someone who is on the database not just stick a big pair of glasses and cap on and beat the system? (Genuine question as I don't know how good the tech is).

bobinho wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:58 pm

Maybe it’s to change the way we gain entry?

Currently, we have a coded ST card that has to be handed over and scanned by another person who then activates a lever that frees up the turnstile. Thats after being held in a queue to be frisked by someone who has received no training, and who doesn’t really want to be there anyway….

Anything that improves the way we get into the ground has to be welcomed if you ask me.

I can’t really think of anything “sinister” as to why they would use this - maybe those of you who are against it (or are worried by its use) could help me out by explaining what exactly it is that’s not sitting well?

It’s now used to gain entry to Universal Theme Parks in Orlando and in a lot of other places

bobinho wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:58 pm

Maybe it’s to change the way we gain entry?

Currently, we have a coded ST card that has to be handed over and scanned by another person who then activates a lever that frees up the turnstile.

You shouldn’t be handing over your card to anyone, that was stopped with Covid.

I use it every day on my mobile phone. It’s common place nowadays.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:49 pm

You shouldn’t be handing over your card to anyone, that was stopped with Covid.

Still happens in the CFS

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:50 pm

Still happens in the CFS

It shouldn’t though.

the ticket is paid for, what harm if my mother or mates used my ticket if i can’t make it? better to have bums on seats

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:50 pm

Still happens in the CFS

Not in NU stand ... You just hold your card to scanner (right way round obviously) and person presses foot pedal releasing turnstile mech

Squazo wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:03 pm

the ticket is paid for, what harm if my mother or mates used my ticket if i can’t make it? better to have bums on seats

It's not likely to be used to see who's using tickets

Years ago their was a picture of ‘me’ holding up a Halifax building society, clear as day, even I thought yep, that certainly looks like me, I half expected a knock on the door.

Nothing transpired from it, although it’s tricky writing this response when the yacht keeps bobbing about in the Med.

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:09 pm

It's not likely to be used to see who's using tickets

So what for?

I am sure when my ST card was scanned last year it identified it as seniors ticket but I don't think it does now. Maybe it is being used to assess whether the ticket is age appropriate for the person using it, then the turnstile staff don't have to be relied upon to check

I have a very simple approach to these Orwellian things - I’ll tolerate them to a degree, but if I get a sense that I’m not receiving a proper service, or not being properly welcomed as a customer, then I’m done, for good.

Let’s hope this doesn’t lead to that and it stays unobtrusive and only used to prevent genuine illegality.

I have no problem with the trillions of cameras that are around because I don't break the law. If they have nothing better to do than watch me that is ok. They will sleep well with my boring life.

If they’ve done a dpia on this then no real issue. If they haven’t…

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:22 pm

I have a very simple approach to these Orwellian things - I’ll tolerate them to a degree, but if I get a sense that I’m not receiving a proper service, or not being properly welcomed as a customer, then I’m done, for good.

Let’s hope this doesn’t lead to that and it stays unobtrusive and only used to prevent genuine illegality.

What possible illegality are you thinking of?

As long as it's not used as a way to prevent individuals from using a lending season ticket to a friend for the odd game here and there.

I suppose we can all trust the club with our data, it is not like they have already committed a fairly large data breach this season such as sending out season tickets to old addresses. Oh no wait a minute.....

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaign ... cognition/

The latest scheme (yes there’s money in this) is to put a face next to those 1000s of data points they (ie practically anyone who wants to bother.. see Cambridge analytic-a and that’s just the tip of the ice berg) have on you. Think Sainsbury’s and Tesco have been caught trying to sell your images plus data from those ‘crime prevention cameras’ on the self serve checkouts already.

Best advice is don’t handout your email, phone number, always use a vpn, all reject cookies and under no circumstances provide your driving licence or passport to ‘verify’ your identity EVER that’s part of the same game.

Some great guides on here:

https://joindeleteme.com/

You can pay to not have the hassle.

Don’t be too disturbed when you find out what’s out there with your name next to it.