Definitely got talent.

But- he's a loan player who doesn't want to get injured.

Send him back.

I’ve seen more talent down the El Trop on a cold Tuesday night in January.

Goes missing far too often. Can see why Bournemouth let him go.

Good wingers often have 1 good game in 2, possibly 3.

I see Anthony as a 1 in 4 player. He looks a bottom half championship player to me

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:13 pm

I’ve seen more talent down the El Trop on a cold Tuesday night in January.

You obviously didn’t go on a Thursday night…

Good luck to any attacking player in this system.

He's an average Championship winger. It's hard to criticise some of these players because they aren't awful. But we have to expect top 2 and to do that we need the best players in the division which he isn't.

Is the talent in the room with us?

Not at the standard we need based on showings so far, but may be stymied by the rigidity of our set up.

This is where I do feel a bit for Parker. Anthony and Koleosho have the system which gives them the ball a lot. They just don't use it anywhere near well.enough.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 pm

This is where I do feel a bit for Parker. Anthony and Koleosho have the system which gives them the ball a lot. They just don't use it anywhere near well.enough.

Be nice to have some players around them occasionally I’d bet.

Nothing him to do with not wanting to get injured. He just hasn't looked good enough to be starting.

I think he’s our most productive wide man with 2 assists and 1 goal.

He’s a very limited winger who does have some quality, see his two assists, but isn’t someone who will take on and beat his man every single time he gets the ball. Unfortunately, that’s pretty much the only way Parker sets us up to score. He signed him knowing him better than anyone.

Had a few good games but plenty poor ones. Koleosho even worse. I have sympathy for them both in that they are as isolated as our striker is. A winger needs an overlapping full back to offer an option or at least pull the defender away. This system basically means the winger has to be a mercurial player capable of beating his man every single time, because that’s the only way around. Anthony and Koleosho just aren’t those types in my opinion, they’re not close control dribblers in the Glen Little mould who will beat 1, 2 players then cross the ball with purpose.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 pm

Is the talent in the room with us?

Not at the standard we need based on showings so far, but may be stymied by the rigidity of our set up.

That’s my main concern. If this side is as limited as I fear it is, then any coach is then required to coach them to be significantly better than the sum of their parts and the problem is therefore a lot bigger than just Scott Parker.

Even if we potted him, how many available coaches will there be who could “coach up” a side?

My concern is that we ballsed up another summer. Let too much quality out, didn’t bring enough in and possibly got the managerial appointment wrong to compound the player trading errors.

The big thing for me with Anthony when you compare to zaroury in 22/23 is that Anthony doesn’t seem to be in control of what he’s doing like zaroury was. Zaroury seemed so calm on the ball and knew he had the ability. Anthony looks like he’s hoping the skill he tries beats his man rather than being confident it will. I don’t rate Pires but Anthony is better with Pires overlapping him, Humphreys is a cb playing left back who can’t get up and down the same

His style of play and the way he drifts in and out of games reminds me of one of our other ex Bournemouth wingers, Junior Stanislas.

I don’t get this, he’s on loan and doesn’t want to get injured thing. We’ve had plenty of loanees who were great.

Perhaps if we were towards the end of the season, this might play on his mind, but in November!?

He’ll be contracted so it makes little difference if he’s injured playing for Burnley or Bournemouth.

Simply, he’s just been a bit poor and he’s far from the only one (loanees and permanents).

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 pm

This is where I do feel a bit for Parker. Anthony and Koleosho have the system which gives them the ball a lot. They just don't use it anywhere near well.enough.

If I was Koleosho I would have one or two touches to get the ball out of my feet and whip balls in all day.

Played like Cleopatra.

billyhamilton82 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:34 pm

His style of play and the way he drifts in and out of games reminds me of one of our other ex Bournemouth wingers, Junior Stanislas.

Stanislas was an absolutely fantastic crosser of the ball and could use either foot. He had more talent in his little finger

I remember a winger for Forest in the 70’s called John Robertson who put 35 crosses in one game. Our own Willie Morgan, Ralph Coates and Leighton James often got into double figures. Maybe Parker ought to tell all our wingers they need to put let’s say six decent crosses a game in, preferably from the byline to be in the team.

Bournemouth fans rated him. The issue is that because of Parker’s fondness for him, our best left winger is forced to play on the right.
Also he’s pretty poor defensively, Probably best used as an impact sub.

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:34 pm

That’s my main concern. If this side is as limited as I fear it is, then any coach is then required to coach them to be significantly better than the sum of their parts and the problem is therefore a lot bigger than just Scott Parker.

Even if we potted him, how many available coaches will there be who could “coach up” a side?

My concern is that we ballsed up another summer. Let too much quality out, didn’t bring enough in and possibly got the managerial appointment wrong to compound the player trading errors.

I think it is fair to say the summer was a bit of a mess but I think the squad we have now is currently under performing its potential. There are some legitimate reasons for that and certainly we will look a lot stronger when the likes of Tresor, Foster and Redmond are back in harness, but at present I think it is reasonable to say the manager is not getting the best out of personnel.

That includes Anthony, who looks to me like a wide player who needs a full back with licence to attack alongside him. He's a team player rather than an individual, but he's being asked to supply as an individual right now. Ultimately Anthony is good cover but he might be the 4th or 5th best left winger on out books: if Tresor is remotely fit to start starting games soon, on paper there's no comparison between what their capable of.

He’s a very average winger.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:34 pm

I don’t rate Pires but Anthony is better with Pires overlapping him, Humphreys is a cb playing left back who can’t get up and down the same

I think this is a good point and I thought the same myself. Plus Pires is a proper left back, perhaps a bit too enigmatic for a defender but we have seen that he can play lovely through ball and links up quite well with Anthony.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:16 pm

I think it is fair to say the summer was a bit of a mess but I think the squad we have now is currently under performing its potential. There are some legitimate reasons for that and certainly we will look a lot stronger when the likes of Tresor, Foster and Redmond are back in harness, but at present I think it is reasonable to say the manager is not getting the best out of personnel.

That includes Anthony, who looks to me like a wide player who needs a full back with licence to attack alongside him. He's a team player rather than an individual, but he's being asked to supply as an individual right now. Ultimately Anthony is good cover but he might be the 4th or 5th best left winger on out books: if Tresor is remotely fit to start starting games soon, on paper there's no comparison between what their capable of.

I’m yet to be convinced there are goals in this squad.

We don’t have a striker who is still within their prime who has any kind of track record at the level required. Koleosho is still very raw, Sarmiento has never been much more than a bit part player and Anthony’s career appears to be pretty up and down to date. The midfield are solid, but not particularly creative and Roberts is the only fullback we have of genuine Championship pedigree in an attacking sense.

That pretty much leaves us hoping the real quality is headed out of the treatment room and able to get match fit and hit form before it becomes too late. There’s a lot of wishful thinking in that.

billyhamilton82 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:34 pm

His style of play and the way he drifts in and out of games reminds me of one of our other ex Bournemouth wingers, Junior Stanislas.

He’s not as good as Stanislas, who forged a pretty good career at Premier League level.

Got pelters for this in the summer but I said he was s***e and he is.

The annoying thing is that we signed Sarmiento, who looked levels above when he came on, and Anthony is starting over him.

Just unbelievably frustrating that we have the players to be doing better and aren’t playing them.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:44 pm

Got pelters for this in the summer but I said he was s***e and he is.

The annoying thing is that we signed Sarmiento, who looked levels above when he came on, and Anthony is starting over him.

Just unbelievably frustrating that we have the players to be doing better and aren’t playing them.

When we signed Sarmiento the majority if not all the feedback I saw from Ipswich fans was that Sarmiento was far better coming off the bench, he did nothing when starting. I remember the phrase 'struggles to put it all together when he plays from the beginning' appearing a few times.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:51 pm

When we signed Sarmiento the majority if not all the feedback I saw from Ipswich fans was that Sarmiento was far better coming off the bench, he did nothing when starting. I remember the phrase 'struggles to put it all together when he plays from the beginning' appearing a few times.

Maybe so.

Did they have a better starter than Anthony though?

I don’t know, but I do know Anthony is dire.

He's being selected on the basis of 2 crosses. Albeit good crosses that have led to goals. He's not a winger. He's a wide mf player that possesses next to zero threat. Put koly on his side and eggy or whatever he's called on the right. Just experiment cos the team at the moment are pretty ineffective.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:58 pm

Maybe so.

Did they have a better starter than Anthony though?

I don’t know, but I do know Anthony is dire.

I honestly don't know either, I was just providing a bit of context as to why Sarmiento might not be starting. Anthony has a good 10 mins here and there but I concur, not showing enough.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:09 pm

I honestly don't know either, I was just providing a bit of context as to why Sarmiento might not be starting. Anthony has a good 10 mins here and there but I concur, not showing enough.

Sorry, wasn’t being short, just venting a huge frustration that we keep playing him when he offers nothing.

You might be right though, maybe Sarmiento would fade if he started. Can’t imagine he’d be worse than Anthony though.

Where would we be without his 2 assists and goal at this point though? He's the only one who has contributed anything so far, as well as a few Brownhill goals.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:13 pm

Sorry, wasn’t being short, just venting a huge frustration that we keep playing him when he offers nothing.

You might be right though, maybe Sarmiento would fade if he started. Can’t imagine he’d be worse than Anthony though.

I didn't take it that way at all mate, we are all frustrated.

billyhamilton82 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:34 pm

His style of play and the way he drifts in and out of games reminds me of one of our other ex Bournemouth wingers, Junior Stanislas.

That’s an insult to Stanislas!….Anthony is bobbins!

….. so is Humphreys….. diabolical.

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:17 am

That’s an insult to Stanislas!….Anthony is bobbins!

I'd rather have Taffy on the wing, but Anthony is a lot better than you're making out.

Blows your mind really when Parker can make 3 subs and Anthony isn’t one of them. The most half arsed, ineffective performance since Fofana v Wolves last season.

Lightweight offers nothing most games get rid asap

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:41 pm

If I was Koleosho I would have one or two touches to get the ball out of my feet and whip balls in all day.

I’d be asking that of any winger minimum to be honest, if you’ve got no confidence to take people on, then do this 2/3 times a half and you’ve earned your brass, then it’s up to the striker or midfielders to get on the end of it. At the moment both wingers are doing neither so they may as well not play.

Proper shite and he’s Parkers favourite player unfortunately for us, undroppable and starts every game on the left, taking the place of Koleosho.

Koleosho is twice the player on the left but no, Anthony must start there.

Would probably still have him over his namesake from United

Looking short of confidence and belief. The worry for me is that Parker knew him, and obviously rated him, which is why we joined us.One of his poorer games yesterday. I think a key problem with this team is once you are in the team there are few players pushing for your position so Anthony is pretty guarranteed to start. Same as Brownhill, Roberts, Cullen, Koleosho, Foster when fit,

Is not very good.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:39 am

Proper shite and he’s Parkers favourite player unfortunately for us, undroppable and starts every game on the left, taking the place of Koleosho.

Koleosho is twice the player on the left but no, Anthony must start there.

Is Koleosho twice the player though?

Doesn’t look even half the player he was last year. I also think he’s lost a bit of pace as well. Very rarely beats a man for pace now

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:56 am

Is Koleosho twice the player though?

Doesn’t look even half the player he was last year. I also think he’s lost a bit of pace as well. Very rarely beats a man for pace now

He runs into them before he gets chance to get up to speed. We rarely plsy a ball in front of him to run onto.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:56 am

Is Koleosho twice the player though?

Doesn’t look even half the player he was last year. I also think he’s lost a bit of pace as well. Very rarely beats a man for pace now

I didn’t say twice the player of Anthony, I said Koleosho is twice the player on the left hand side. His best games for us have all come from that side.

Luca wants to cut in onto his right foot, his left foot isn’t good enough for him to be cutting in onto. His entire game is being stifled because we want to play Anthony there? For what?

Double marked on his wrong side and been out for a year with an ACL, making him look very ordinary.

No wonder we’re absolutely crap atm, get the players in their best position. Luca cutting in from the left with a proper left back flying down the outside on the overlap would be a start.

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:35 pm

I’m yet to be convinced there are goals in this squad.

We don’t have a striker who is still within their prime who has any kind of track record at the level required. Koleosho is still very raw, Sarmiento has never been much more than a bit part player and Anthony’s career appears to be pretty up and down to date. The midfield are solid, but not particularly creative and Roberts is the only fullback we have of genuine Championship pedigree in an attacking sense.

That pretty much leaves us hoping the real quality is headed out of the treatment room and able to get match fit and hit form before it becomes too late. There’s a lot of wishful thinking in that.

Well, there's certainly currently a lot of quality on the treatment table - particularly if we include short term injuries like Foster.

I think it is fair to say we haven't done as well in replacing quality outgoing, or retaining quality, as we did 2 summers ago. But you don't mention Flemming, who has a proven record at this level. A front line of something like Koleosho, Flemming, Foster and Tresor, for example, looks to me to have plenty of goals in it, particularly if Brownhill is playing behind them. And even at present, there ought to be plenty more goals in this team than it is currently managing, or threatening to manage.

It's probably not currently a team capable of scoring for fun like we did 2 years ago, but it should be a squad capable of scoring a perfectly healthy number of goals. Clearly, the fact that only Koleosho of what might be our first choice front line was available yesterday provides some mitigation and it looks as though the back up is a grade below what you'd ideally want in the wings (including Anthony), although I like the look of Sarmiento. I do though think it looks as though we focused too much on diligent workers and good characters, and not enough on replacing departing quality this summer.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:26 pm

Well, there's certainly currently a lot of quality on the treatment table - particularly if we include short term injuries like Foster.

I think it is fair to say we haven't done as well in replacing quality outgoing, or retaining quality, as we did 2 summers ago. But you don't mention Flemming, who has a proven record at this level. A front line of something like Koleosho, Flemming, Foster and Tresor, for example, looks to me to have plenty of goals in it, particularly if Brownhill is playing behind them. And even at present, there ought to be plenty more goals in this team than it is currently managing, or threatening to manage.

It's probably not currently a team capable of scoring for fun like we did 2 years ago, but it should be a squad capable of scoring a perfectly healthy number of goals.

It's difficult to believe that a different players change anything. The build up from the back will still be so slow that the opposition has time to get set and when we eventually pass to the wingers the ball will still be behind them, giving them nowhere to go but backwards.