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REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:17 pm
by ClaretTony
Millwall v Burnley report

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/millwall-mess

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:33 pm
by mdd2
"West Brom next and it has to be better than that. It must be better than that."
But will it be better than that? I have my doubts as that performance yesterday has been coming for sometime.
All the signs have been there at Hull and home to PNE and QPR as well as our struggles at home against Plymouth and Portsmouth.
Even if we are (I think) one point better after 13 games than under VK in this league we are not playing as fluently this time.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:41 pm
by CleggHall
Thanks Tony, a tough day that, travel difficulties on top of dross.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:08 pm
by Aclaret
Good report Tony, I think all that needs to be said has been said on this forum the past day, we all know it was another shocker. We need to move on, they owe us and themselves a good performance .....and 3 points would be nice

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:32 pm
by bfcjg
Good report, I got a real sense of your anger,let's face it,it's gone way beyond frustration.
I can forgive defeats, but losing with no effort shown is unacceptable and changes of attitude and perhaps personel is urgently required.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:42 pm
by FCBurnley
Great following of 1270 Clarets. Well done

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:11 pm
by beddie
Enjoyed reading your report. “ West Brom next and it has to be better than that. It must be better than that.” Agree with that 100% but our style of play at present fills me with doubt.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:35 pm
by claretburns
A lot of comments made about how we're in a better position now, points wise, compared to the VK season. The massive difference is in the VK season with each game we got better and better and at the moment we're just glumly staggering from one game to the next.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:44 pm
by clive40golf
Nice report Tony, you summed it up perfectly. It seems that the most important thing you’ve learned on this trip was the state of the traffic.
It’s a tough task watching us at the moment. I can’t see us getting out of this division any time soon with this manager. We don’t seem to have any spark or threat about us, we only seem able to play at one pace and the back pass is our default position. For all our possession only having 1 shot on target is very embarrassing. To sum it up, we have a poor man’s Gareth Southgate in charge.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:12 pm
by Pearcey
Was great to be there but by god, it was a shocking performance.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:18 pm
by warksclaret
claretburns wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:35 pm
A lot of comments made about how we're in a better position now, points wise, compared to the VK season. The massive difference is in the VK season with each game we got better and better and at the moment we're just glumly staggering from one game to the next.
Just can't compare the two. Under VK we scored goals for fun-a massive amount, and a stretch of ten wins in a row. Never to be repeated

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:25 pm
by Stonehouse
After another dreadful performance when unusually this time there hasn’t been much of a major argument on this forum about whether it was a good or bad performance its good to read Tony’s usual balanced report but also worrying that he too thinks that at the moment that we’re pretty average.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:27 pm
by Ralphandwillie
Damaging podcast on iTube ref bfc

“Second tier-the championship”

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:40 am
by Vegas Claret
"Had we known what was to come, maybe we’d have opted for the lesser view."

Best line !

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:47 am
by fidelcastro
clive40golf wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:44 pm
For all our possession only having 1 shot on target is very embarrassing. To sum it up, we have a poor man’s Gareth Southgate in charge.
That's one more shot on target than I saw!

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:34 am
by Jamesy
Missed this match as currently in Australia, thankfully. Watched on TV though. We are a really difficult watch at present and cannot see it changing anytime soon.
It is unfair to heap all of the criticism on Parker, although he is responsible for a lot of our failings.
Quite simply we have recruited poorly after losing the spine of the team. We have got meh like players in Anthony, Hountondji, Laurent, Sarmiento et.al. who don’t appear to be anywhere near the standard required. With Koleosho he is like some annoying kid in the school yard who has loads of the ball and always wastes it. This guy runs up blind alleys for fun. And then we have got two seasoned pro’s like Roberts and Brownhill who should be leading by example but appear to have gone into their shells or just can’t be arsed.
Additionally, we have Cullen who is looking a shadow of his former self, probably due to playing with players of limited ability in midfield with him. We have got Hannibal who can put himself about a bit but in truth isn’t much of a footballer.
Of course we are lacking in the striker department and a fit Lyle Foster and the return of Flemming won’t make much difference with this powder puff midfield playing behind either of them if Parker persists with a lone striker.
I hope I am wrong but I cannot see for the life of me how Parker will get this team firing and competing in games. A slow slide down the division and mid table mediocrity beckons. It’s not that bad though, PNE and Blackburn have been doing this for years now.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:43 am
by RammyClaret61
Jamesy wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:34 am
Missed this match as currently in Australia, thankfully. Watched on TV though.
How you enjoying the kick off times here!

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:17 am
by yosserhughes
Thanks for the report Tony, the interview that SP gave after the match he looked a beaten man.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:04 am
by Jamesy
RammyClaret61 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:43 am
How you enjoying the kick off times here!
Hard work pal! Although Friday’s game will be a lot easier, I’m usually out of bed by then. I’m in Bendigo by the way. UTC.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:39 am
by RammyClaret61
Jamesy wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:04 am
Hard work pal! Although Friday’s game will be a lot easier, I’m usually out of bed by then. I’m in Bendigo by the way. UTC.
And you obviously survived the “earthquake”this morning?

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:09 am
by Jamesy
RammyClaret61 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:39 am
And you obviously survived the “earthquake”this morning?
I did! I was doing 32 laps at the local pool, Eaglehawk.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:11 am
by Jamesy
Jamesy wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:09 am
I did! I was doing 32 laps at the local pool, Eaglehawk.
Correction. My wife said it was hours before my swim. Obviously didn’t trouble me. :lol:

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:07 pm
by Herts Clarets
fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:47 am
That's one more shot on target than I saw!
Out of interest, which was our shot on target? I can remember the Koleosho one against the post plus the 2 Houtondji efforts that went wide in the first half, a couple of nothing headers from Jay and Brownhill in the second half that both went over the bar plus an effort that was blazed a long way over, possibly by Koleosho. I can't remember one single shot on target.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:11 pm
by fidelcastro
Herts Clarets wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:07 pm
Out of interest, which was our shot on target? I can remember the Koleosho one against the post plus the 2 Houtondji efforts that went wide in the first half, a couple of nothing headers from Jay and Brownhill in the second half that both went over the bar plus an effort that was blazed a long way over, possibly by Koleosho. I can't remember one single shot on target.
That was my point!

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:20 pm
by KRBFC
Why was our lone striker marking in his own penalty box for their goal?

Is it any wonder we can’t score for toffee. Obviously it’s understandable if it’s from a set piece and you bring the striker back to defend but as far as I can remember it wasn’t after a set piece?

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:18 pm
by morninbob
KRBFC wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:20 pm
Why was our lone striker marking in his own penalty box for their goal?

Is it any wonder we can’t score for toffee. Obviously it’s understandable if it’s from a set piece and you bring the striker back to defend but as far as I can remember it wasn’t after a set piece?
It was a set piece, recycled, hountondji was marking him all game, stupid zonal marking.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:22 pm
by ClaretTony
KRBFC wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:20 pm
Why was our lone striker marking in his own penalty box for their goal?

Is it any wonder we can’t score for toffee. Obviously it’s understandable if it’s from a set piece and you bring the striker back to defend but as far as I can remember it wasn’t after a set piece?
It was a set piece

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:48 pm
by Herts Clarets
morninbob wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:18 pm
It was a set piece, recycled, hountondji was marking him all game, stupid zonal marking.
We used to hear this argument under VK, why is a short player marking their biggest aerial threat. Major weakness of zonal marking is you can look for the weak areas covered by shorter players and stick your biggest player up against them. As happened on Sunday. That Cooper is a bit of a beast isn't he. And who was the sub they brought on who looked a similar height to Cooper?

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:58 pm
by ecc
You've summed it up frankly, no punches pulled, Tony.

Sadly, you're right.

Re: REPORT: Millwall Mess

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:26 pm
by IanMcL
We have plenty of skill. Unfortunately, we have no forward going play pattern, which ends up with players in the box wanting and waiting to score.

In the Championship, 442 works. Get it forward, lay it off, cross it, head or knock it in.

So many errors in the Championship.

The teams DETERMINED to win, rain in crosses and shots, until something gives.

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