This won't come as a surprise to a lot of people on here.
I am sure that some posters will crawl out from under their stones to start accusing other posters of being transphobes and bigots etc.
For most people it was plain to see that a man who identified as a woman beat females to a pulp in order to gain the greatest honour in 'sport'.
Not only was it ignored by many, it was actually celebrated and anyone who questioned the gender of this male boxer masquerading as a female were ridiculed and abused.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 37891.html

there was a deleted post on here i'm sure where people who knew the truth were called all sorts of names, glad to be vindicated.

One of the most bizarre and nauseating sporting spectacles was this bloke beating women up in the Olympics .I think even the most delusional “ blokes can be women if they say so “ types must have been appalled.

The lack of thought and respect 'progressives' have for women, in sport and more generally, has been pretty eye opening in last few years.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:24 am

The lack of thought and respect 'progressives' have for women, in sport and more generally, has been pretty eye opening in last few years.

this is the worry, in the endeavor to be inclusive to be "progressive" we are walking all over women who have trained at their sports for years. its not fair

I saw a very good interview, just after the Olympics, between a journalist (obviously not from BBC or Guardian) and a child development scientist (from Manchester university- a leader in the field) which explained the background of this very clearly for the layman whilst referring to the science.

She explained how a child can be born with XY chromosomes and undescended testicles with what looks more like female external organs (so very often registered as female). The (still internal) testes produce usual male amounts of testosterone during puberty which means the skeleton/muscles develop as per a normal male. Testosterone levels remain high after puberty. There is no uterus.

It 100% explained how Khelif could be registered as a female at birth but be a man, this leaked info (if real) seems to confirm this may be the case here.

I think most people will want to wait until a legitimate source confirms they've read this report, not just a dedicated trans-hate website.

Ahh yes, the well known website.... checks notes.... hindustantimes ?

When the BBC or Reuters post it I'll take it a bit more seriously, not some AI generated, Facebook feed pushing, no name news source I'll take with a pinch of salt. Funny seeing some our oldies getting wound up though.

criminalclaret wrote:

When the BBC or Reuters post it I'll take it a bit more seriously.

This is genuinely the funniest yet simultaneously scariest comment I have ever seen on social media!

criminalclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:22 pm

Ahh yes, the well known website.... checks notes.... hindustantimes ?

When the BBC or Reuters post it I'll take it a bit more seriously, not some AI generated, Facebook feed pushing, no name news source I'll take with a pinch of salt. Funny seeing some our oldies getting wound up though.

You want your news from the Woke establishment only.

BigChaCha wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:51 pm

This is genuinely the funniest yet simultaneously scariest comment I have ever seen on social media!

Not to get too political but why wouldn't I want to get my news sources from a multiple well known outlets to form my own opinion?

Some Bot from a random site Hindustantimes posts something which no other site is commenting about and other believe it as verbatim? Thats scary.

its being discussed all over the internet.

funny people clawing over twitter accounts with 3 followers about Links to Burnley players, but when its something that gives them opportunity to sport their woke ally badge they shut it down.

its fine, people are allowed different opinions. no need to get unnecessarily defensive over things

If it’s on the internet it must be true.

Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:01 am

This won't come as a surprise to a lot of people on here.
I am sure that some posters will crawl out from under their stones to start accusing other posters of being transphobes and bigots etc.
For most people it was plain to see that a man who identified as a woman beat females to a pulp in order to gain the greatest honour in 'sport'.
Not only was it ignored by many, it was actually celebrated and anyone who questioned the gender of this male boxer masquerading as a female were ridiculed and abused.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 37891.html

Agreed. Basic common sense though really isn’t it?

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:18 pm

Agreed. Basic common sense though really isn’t it?

True. But until some people see it being reported by the Gates funded BBC or read about it in the Gates funded Guardian they will refuse to believe it, even though a lot of them actually watched this man beat up women with their own eyes. If the propaganda machine tells them that he is a woman they will believe he is a woman. It's Orwellian.

It's not transphobic to not want transwoman involved in women's sport.

It is transphobic to wilfully mis-gender a transwoman when you know full well they identify as a woman.

In this case it's neither as the boxer in question has never had a sex change so isn't a transsexual. It appears medically they exist in a bit of a no man's land (no pun intended).

It's a man Derek

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:46 am

I think most people will want to wait until a legitimate source confirms they've read this report, not just a dedicated trans-hate website.

What has trannies got to do with this?

She’s not trans, she was born with a medical disorder.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:12 pm

What has trannies got to do with this?

She’s not trans, she was born with a medical disorder.

It's got to do with it that the only source for this is a trans-hate website, as I stated.

This is a basic issue of media literacy with lots of people believing something that doesn't seem to be true just because they want it to be.

criminalclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:57 pm

Not to get too political but why wouldn't I want to get my news sources from a multiple well known outlets to form my own opinion?

Some Bot from a random site Hindustantimes posts something which no other site is commenting about and other believe it as verbatim? Thats scary.

I subscribe to Ground News which looks across world news sites for stories and lumps them together with links - it also indicates whether it sees the sources as left/centre/right leaning (not sure how accurate it is but it sees BBC as centrist )

Currently showing 57 articles about this leaked document (mostly from right leaning sources but also some centrist and left-leaning). The Hindustan Times piece (linked in the original post) seems to be one of the earliest. The Hindustan Times has a circulation of around 750,000 and is seen as centrist. Another Indian source (seen as left leaning) The Indian Times (1.8 million readers) is also reporting this story.
In Germany, Bild (the popular German newspaper) is reporting this story as is Welt; Marca (the leading Spanish sports paper) is also reporting.
The story has legs whether the BBC and Guardian devotees like it or not.

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:21 pm

I subscribe to Ground News which looks across world news sites for stories and lumps them together with links - it also indicates whether it sees the sources as left/centre/right leaning (not sure how accurate it is but it sees BBC as centrist )

Currently showing 57 articles about this leaked document (mostly from right leaning sources but also some centrist and left-leaning). The Hindustan Times piece (linked in the original post) seems to be one of the earliest. The Hindustan Times has a circulation of around 750,000 and is seen as centrist. Another Indian source (seen as left leaning) The Indian Times (1.8 million readers) is also reporting this story.
In Germany, Bild (the popular German newspaper) is reporting this story as is Welt; Marca (the leading Spanish sports paper) is also reporting.
The story has legs whether the BBC and Guardian devotees like it or not.

Not believing it until theres a write up in the Burnley express sorry

Lots of people clearly don’t understand what Orwellian means.

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:46 pm

Lots of people clearly don’t understand what Orwellian means.

For those that may not understand, here is a quote from 1984.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

The party is telling you through their propaganda machine that Imane Khelif is a woman. It makes no difference whether it is the blue side or the red side of the Uniparty that tells you.

Stevie Wonder could tell it was a contest between a man and a woman.

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:40 am

I saw a very good interview, just after the Olympics, between a journalist (obviously not from BBC or Guardian) and a child development scientist (from Manchester university- a leader in the field) which explained the background of this very clearly for the layman whilst referring to the science.

She explained how a child can be born with XY chromosomes and undescended testicles with what looks more like female external organs (so very often registered as female). The (still internal) testes produce usual male amounts of testosterone during puberty which means the skeleton/muscles develop as per a normal male. Testosterone levels remain high after puberty. There is no uterus.

It 100% explained how Khelif could be registered as a female at birth but be a man, this leaked info (if real) seems to confirm this may be the case here.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on this and as a result have stayed out of the debate. However, if she has a pair of undescended testicles at birth, surely they would have been discovered by now?

It is mad how everyone could see it was a man beating up a woman. It was really wrong, shameful and damaging - to the women he beat up and to women and girl's sport generally.

Who'd have guessed.

I bet having their nuts shoved up their butt every fight and taped there was a bit uncomfortable

Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:29 pm

True. But until some people see it being reported by the Gates funded BBC or read about it in the Gates funded Guardian they will refuse to believe it, even though a lot of them actually watched this man beat up women with their own eyes. If the propaganda machine tells them that he is a woman they will believe he is a woman. It's Orwellian.

Looks like we've found bluelabrador's latest sockpuppet.

Enola Gay wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:24 pm

Looks like we've found bluelabrador's latest sockpuppet.

It's a known fact that Gates gives brib...., I mean DONATIONS to the BBC and The Guardian.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/c ... /inv017377
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

HahaYeah wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:36 pm

It's a known fact that Gates gives brib...., I mean DONATIONS to the BBC and The Guardian.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/c ... /inv017377
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

It's not difficult to find out is it? Takes about half a minute checking their website and searching the grants committed section.
Everytime there was some big pharma shill pushing the safe and effective vaccines during the lock down I would find out which teaching hospital or university they were employed by and see how much their employers had received in grants from the Gates Foundation. Every single time they had received hundreds of thousands if not millions.
The Gates Foundation even gave our medicine regulating body the MHRA nearly a million pounds..
And people like Enola Gay have neither checked this out or believe that there is nothing untoward in this behaviour.

HahaYeah wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:36 pm

It's a known fact that Gates gives brib...., I mean DONATIONS to the BBC and The Guardian.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/c ... /inv017377
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

That's not the BBC though. It's a separate charity.

The women this bloke beat up in the ring could have been brain damaged such was his power despite the head guards. It's disgusting that his right to beat up women was supported and encouraged by associations, politicians and campaign groups who prefer to tick the latest PC cause box as opposed to protecting women.

It was only a matter of time before the likes of Daveisaclaret and Grrenmile were going to look really stupid for their comments on this subject

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76639&start=150

I really hope some of you get what you're wishing for. A completely subjective and commercial news market with zero accountability or objectivity. Social media platforms that are echo chambers for the elite and powerful. And "anti woke" agendas that completely disregard the rights of minorities.

We don't want any balance or debate, because there isn't a single person who is left leaning, but also doesn't think a biological man should step in a ring with a biological woman. We should jump on band wagons to prove a point that our tribe is right, and there is only right and wrong. Before facts are established. And they're only facts anyway right, who cares about those.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:37 pm

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on this and as a result have stayed out of the debate. However, if she has a pair of undescended testicles at birth, surely they would have been discovered by now?

The point is that this Russian boxing agency did discover that, and publicised it too. That's why she was banned from non-Olympic boxing.

I don't much care whether people call themselves he, she, or it, and the trans confusion is a complete red herring in this case because this person was genuinely believed to be a biological female from birth. However, the essential principle remains IMO - people with Y chromosomes, and people who have undergone male puberty, should not be eligible for female events. If society demands than male and female have new meanings, then so be it - but that does not negate the fact that there are two groups of people, those with Y chromosomes and those without. If men and women are redefined, we would have to remane sports "Type X" (women) and "Type Y" (men) to reclaim fairness.

"beat females to a pulp" - been beaten by 9 females. Not interested in getting involved just thought an interesting fact.

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:14 pm

I really hope some of you get what you're wishing for. A completely subjective and commercial news market with zero accountability or objectivity. Social media platforms that are echo chambers for the elite and powerful. And "anti woke" agendas that completely disregard the rights of minorities.

We don't want any balance or debate, because there isn't a single person who is left leaning, but also doesn't think a biological man should step in a ring with a biological woman. We should jump on band wagons to prove a point that our tribe is right, and there is only right and wrong. Before facts are established. And they're only facts anyway right, who cares about those.

The problem is, in the face of facts people still refuse to admit they had misjudged a situation. It boils down to can't trust the source, that's fascist, GAMMON, the Russians are to blame, the usual get out of jail cards that are used.

I couldn't give a hoot if she's got nuts and wants to live as a woman, fair play to her, she just shouldn't be allowed to belt biological women in the name of sport. It's science.

A minor point but if you enter a boxing match, whatever gender you are, surely you can expect to be 'belted' around the ring? That's what the sport is all about.

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:28 pm

Not believing it until theres a write up in the Burnley express sorry

But you must know from reading all these, that the leaks are not substantiated. I have also read in a few, including the independent, that a co author of said report feels like it's being misused for propaganda.

I am firmly in the camp that biologically male athletes should not get in a boxing ring with a female athlete. But let's not pretend this leak is proof of that, because most articles I've read do not make that claim at all.

A except from the mail, which I think we can all agree is right leaning.

"However, the issue over Khelif's credibility in winning women's gold at the Olympics has now been thrust back into the spotlight following an apparently leaked excerpt from a report, first reported by Bild, that claims Khelif is a 'biological male' - though it remains unclear whether the report is legitimate.

The report was initially put together in 2023 via collaboration between French and Algerian expert endocrinologists working at the Kremlin-Bicetre hospital in Paris, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers.

The unverified report alleges that Khelif has male characteristics.

But Jacques Young, an endocrinologist at Bicetre Hospital in Paris who reportedly co-authored the document, has told DW in Germany that he feels his name is being used to spread false information.

Young also hinted he had been used to disseminate an anti-trans agenda. 'I think your statement perfectly reflects reality,' when he was asked whether his name was being used for those purposes."

aggi wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:50 pm

That's not the BBC though. It's a separate charity.

Right.

cblantfanclub wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:34 pm

"beat females to a pulp" - been beaten by 9 females. Not interested in getting involved just thought an interesting fact.

I remember this at the time:



As always though, plenty of blokes who are willing to be outraged at this kind of thing but less willing to be outraged at the things that would actually make a difference to most women.

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:35 pm

I remember this at the time:



As always though, plenty of blokes who are willing to be outraged at this kind of thing but less willing to be outraged at the things that would actually make a difference to most women.

Good fighter was Andy Broadhurst.

"Bild" is the German equivalent of "The Sun" so that's a good starting point.

Deutsche Welle is a far more credible source however.

But we live in a world where no media is trusted by all of the people all of the time.