• Koleosho

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:12 pm**

Did we actually turn down big bids for him in the Summer or was that just media talk?

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:14 pm**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:12 pm
Did we actually turn down big bids for him in the Summer or was that just media talk?

If it was anywhere near what we got for odobert I know which one I would’ve rather kept.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:16 pm**

Not sure but he’s very frustrating at times, he nearly cost us when trying to defend, at least twice and then going forward he has the opportunity to cross it and tries to beat his man again. At the moment I don’t think he offers enough but we haven’t a lot of choice in that position.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:18 pm**

He’s shot on confidence at the moment. I really feel for him. His body language after losing a ball and the crowd moaning a bit isn’t doing him any good. He needs sheltering from this and bringing on as an impact player.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:21 pm**

Thought he put in his best performance at Stoke last week especially second half. Not quite at it tonight but he’s showing more awareness.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:21 pm**

He should be played in the middle in the Tella position , he gets frustrated out wide as he runs out pf space because of the lines,andup the middle that won't be an issue

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:21 pm**

Koleosho is better suited for the prem, the high lines most prem teams play now, he will have much more space to run

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:25 pm**

First of all, let’s remember four things:

1) He’s still extremely young.

2) He has still only played about 30 (guess) games in English Premier League and Championship football.

3) Had a very serious and long-term injury in his breakthrough season.

4) Every man and his dog has hung their proverbial hat on him!

I think Luca might be one of those rare players who naturally performs better in a more difficult and technical league. We need to be far more patient with him! He deserves that from us.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:26 pm**

Does the hard work then hangs on to the ball too long. He’s going to be one hell of a player but I think I few games as an impact sub would help him.

His energy for the last 30 mins would make a big difference

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:26 pm**

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:21 pm
Koleosho is better suited for the prem, the high lines most prem teams play now, he will have much more space to run

Literally feel the same.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:28 pm**

He must have lost the ball a record number of times tonight.

Twice on the edge of our own box which is unforgivable.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:32 pm**

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:26 pm
Literally feel the same.

His lack of technical ability and close ball control doesn’t suit when playing in the championship. Put Sarmiento back on the left and Flemming behind Jay on Tuesday

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:32 pm**

He's hardly played football, he's been injured. Ideal world he would be put in and out of the team, come on as a sub etc. We need some of our injured wingers back to take the pressure off him.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:34 pm**

The worry for me is his total lack of footballing awareness. The best way to use his pace a lot of the time is just to make quick sharp passes and movements, along with diagonal runs from out to in to get into goalscoring positions.

He does neither and I'm not sure if the intelligence side is something that can be coached. He's grown up using his pace to beat opponents and has possibly lost a yard of that pace with his injury.

I ask the question about the bids because It'd be interesting to see if they are still there in January. If we got offered 20 Mill for example, there's probably some big squad improvements we could make with that money because there's some obvious weaknesses at present.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:34 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:32 pm
He's hardly played football, he's been injured. Ideal world he would be put in and out of the team, come on as a sub etc. We need some of our injured wingers back to take the pressure off him.

It’s ok, Mike will be along shortly.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:43 pm**

He's a young chap. very frustrating end product from many exciting runs he ends up in a tangle. He's probably only on about 25k which is more than I earn in a month. He will improve.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:44 pm**

He reminds me of Winston white

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 pm**

He wasn't so bad tonight. Double marked throughout because he's identified as a threat and hasn't quite adapted to it. Some of his decision making can improve but he's really inexperienced so that will happen.

Other players had more space, and more runners on their flank diverting defenders, and did less with it.

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:53 pm**

Biggest disappointment of the season so far and it's really clear why he was let go by an established LaLiga side, coz Spain clearly know a thing or two about young talent. He has no brain and to me has clearly been coached from a young age because he's got pace. As we are sadly seeing it isn't enough at the professional level: he offered pace last season but in all honesty that was all he offered, and this season he's grabbed 2 goals and literally can't think of any other contribution. If any sort of bid comes in in Jan from a Prem club or foreign league then it's a no-brainer really. He really doesn't deserve a place in the team if we're being really honest. His stats as an attacking player are awful: 2 goals (Cardiff & Leeds) & 0 assists in 17 games in the Champ is really really poor, and it's a really crap division this year if we're being honest. I hope our coaching staff are really honest with themselves; does he have anything other than just a bit of pace going forward?

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:56 pm**

Is it really true 0 assists ??? Wow

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:00 am**

claretspice wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 pm
He wasn't so bad tonight. Double marked throughout because he's identified as a threat and hasn't quite adapted to it. Some of his decision making can improve but he's really inexperienced so that will happen.

Other players had more space, and more runners on their flank diverting defenders, and did less with it.

The common excuse for a winger who isn't producing in the modern game. He had plenty of the ball and had time to run at defenders, on the inside or outside, at times in one-on-one situations, but did nothing as usual. He can't even keep hold of possession and hardly ever passes to one of our players when in possession; to think of him making an assist has even become a miracle coz no one actually believes he can anymore.

No idea what the solution is, but he should be nowhere near a starting XI berth.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:01 am**

Winston White -

- brilliant - That’s EXACTLY who Koleosho is like!!

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:03 am**

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:56 pm
Is it really true 0 assists ??? Wow

You better believe it, Blatherwick!

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:03 am**

Georgiaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:01 am
Winston White - - brilliant - That’s EXACTLY who Koleosho is like!!

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:23 am**

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:44 pm
He reminds me of Winston white

He’s black hes white he plays down the right.Wash your mouth out Luca isn’t fit to lace Winston’s boots.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:34 am**

Yeah let’s all slag off a kid who’s just back from a year long ACL injury and committed to the club by signing a new deal. Let’s not give the kid time to develop and fully recover from his injury, let’s all pile on him instead.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:40 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:34 am
Yeah let’s all slag off a kid who’s just back from a year long ACL injury and committed to the club by signing a new deal. Let’s not give the kid time to develop and fully recover from his injury, let’s all pile on him instead.

Relax. It's a discussion about a Burnley player on a Burnley forum. It's not that deep.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:48 am**

I think that he is in need of a decent coach to get the best out of him. He clearly has loads of talent but seems nowhere near when it comes to applying this in a game. Dribbling at pace always one too many, trying to dribble out of defence and giving the ball away in dangerous areas. The lad has so much potential but it seems at times as though he over stretches when he needs to just play the easier options.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:49 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:34 am
Yeah let’s all slag off a kid who’s just back from a year long ACL injury and committed to the club by signing a new deal. Let’s not give the kid time to develop and fully recover from his injury, let’s all pile on him instead.

Doesn't look like he's got any injury issues or is suffering from those encountered previously. In fact, watching him last season and this season i wouldn't have known he'd had an injury! Certainly looks like he's fit and running all right, just not doing much with the ball. Where's the slagging? KRBFC has become Mr Positive...

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:50 am**

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:48 am
I think that he is in need of a decent coach to get the best out of him. He clearly has loads of talent but seems nowhere near when it comes to applying this in a game. Dribbling at pace always one too many, trying to dribble out of defence and giving the ball away in dangerous areas. The lad has so much potential but it seems at times as though he over stretches when he needs to just play the easier options.

Honestly, I think this is discussion: does he honestly have the potential and quality, or just a bit of pace?

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:56 am**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:40 am
Relax. It's a discussion about a Burnley player on a Burnley forum. It's not that deep.

I think there's a bit of mitigation here around the injury point, and that he has only just gone 20.

Perhaps due to the promise he very briefly showed in the PL when he first arrived, I think a lot of people have ended up placing a lot of unfair expectations on his shoulders.Marry that up with him being pretty much being one of the only options we've realistically got and he's in the firing line very week because he can't even have a breather

He needs looking after and protecting. If it were up to me, when everyone is fit he wouldn't be starting games at anywhere near the same frequency that he currently is.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:58 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:34 am
Yeah let’s all slag off a kid who’s just back from a year long ACL injury and committed to the club by signing a new deal. Let’s not give the kid time to develop and fully recover from his injury, let’s all pile on him instead.

Don’t cry

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:01 am**

BigGaz wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:56 am
I think there's a bit of mitigation here around the injury point, and that he has only just gone 20.

Perhaps due to the promise he very briefly showed in the PL when he first arrived, I think a lot of people have ended up placing a lot of unfair expectations on his shoulders.Marry that up with him being pretty much being one of the only options we've realistically got and he's in the firing line very week because he can't even have a breather

He needs looking after and protecting. If it were up to me, when everyone is fit he wouldn't be starting games at anywhere near the same frequency that he currently is.

Everybody knows this,nobody is unfairly slagging him just stating that his performances of late haven’t been brilliant.We all know how much potential he’s got.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:20 am**

dvalley69 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:50 am
Honestly, I think this is discussion: does he honestly have the potential and quality, or just a bit of pace?

I think we have seen enough of him to see that at least has potential. Last season he had Manchester Uniteds Luke Shaw on toast and there have been many other occasions where he has looked outstanding. I think he is badly in need of someone to show him when to stick or twist. He is still fairly young and I can't help feeling that he needs a bit of decent coaching to get the potential star player out of him.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:21 am**

dvalley69 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:50 am
Honestly, I think this is discussion: does he honestly have the potential and quality, or just a bit of pace?

I think we have seen enough of him to see that at least has potential. Last season he had Manchester Uniteds Luke Shaw on toast and there have been many other occasions where he has looked outstanding. I think he is badly in need of someone to show him when to stick or twist. He is still fairly young and I can't help feeling that he needs a bit of decent coaching to get the potential star player out of him.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:22 am**

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:25 pm
First of all, let’s remember four things:

1) He’s still extremely young.

2) He has still only played about 30 (guess) games in English Premier League and Championship football.

3) Had a very serious and long-term injury in his breakthrough season.

4) Every man and his dog has hung their proverbial hat on him!

I think Luca might be one of those rare players who naturally performs better in a more difficult and technical league. We need to be far more patient with him! He deserves that from us.

100% this.
He is a kid with blokes who would wish to have 10% of his talent telling him he is ****.
They need to get a grip.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:30 am**

A great talent who should never be asked to defend
Play to his strenths as an attacking forward
Our massive miss is Zaroury the most talented winger at Burnley for many a long while. Maybe our coaches should show Luca clips of the great man and explain how to integrate Annass's tricks into his game.At 20yr old he can still be coached to reach his full potential.Meanwhile lay off him.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:03 am**

This obsession in football to play players that are not at the level required is daft. He “might” be good doesn’t really work in the now. We are basically playing with a player that can’t beat a man, can’t cross and has great difficulty finding a teammate with a simple pass. But it’s okay he runs fast and might be good in 3 years. This isn’t just a dig at Luca but a lot of what generally goes on in football. It’s why Arsenal and Manchester Utd have had years in the wilderness.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:10 am**

Young lad. Lots of potential. Out of form.

He needs a bit of a break, partly to protect him from some of the abuse he’s getting.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:30 am**

Looks like an athlete that's been coached into how to play football. He lacks game intelligence and doesn't look like a natural player at all.

I think that rushing him into the starting lineup last season was daft. A more gradual approach, similar to what Dyche did with McNeil, gradually introducing him from the bench, would have allowed for proper development—and might have even prevented his injury

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:44 am**

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:30 am
Looks like an athlete that's been coached into how to play football. He lacks game intelligence and doesn't look like a natural player at all.

I think that rushing him into the starting lineup last season was daft. A more gradual approach, similar to what Dyche did with McNeil, gradually introducing him from the bench, would have allowed for proper development—and might have even prevented his injury

Be careful with having an opinion on one of our players on a message board. The super fans will be out to get you

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:46 am**

Getting reminiscent of the debate about McNeil in his last season with us, and Zaroury in the back end of the last promotion season, is this.

Koleosho wasn't especially good last night. He was a bit predictable and he lacks a bit of light and shade in his game. He's a young player who (a bit like Zaroury) made a very big initial impact because of a surprise factor and is now having to adapt to being a marked man. Once again tonight he was double marked (Barlaser got close to him to support Dijksteel) and the space for him to exploit was closed down with an invitation to go down the outside, onto his weaker foot and with a very quick full back having a yard head start. That is neutralising his strengths and forcing him to adapt.

We didn't help him by creating overloads to drag away that second man. Neither Sarmiento nor Brownhill worked the left to any great extent and whilst Humphrys tried to get forwards occasionally he didn't make the sorts of overlapping he underlapping runs that would have dragged a defender away (he did once and Koleosho played him in with a neat pass before Brownhill shot narrowly over).

He still contributed and was a big factor in getting us up the pitch, but hes clearly short on confidence, not helped by enormous expectations, and needs a bit of help. The bigger point for the team is that when he's drawing two men, that has to create space to be exploited elsewhere and we still don't do that with enough conviction.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:47 am**

He just needs to play to his strengths. Blistering pace attacking the byline. Hes got a bad habit of coming inside and losing it.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:51 am**

Is he getting abuse?

He isn't immune from criticism just because he's young, raw and had an injury.

He has been very poor in large parts and doesn't deserve to be in the starting line up in my opinion. Sadly we're not blessed with great options due to injuries.

There's no doubt he has potential and patience is needed to allow him to try and maximise his raw talent. My patience doesn't extend to him being in the team when he doesn't deserve to be.

The 3 times he was outmuscled on the edge of our box trying to be clever was pretty numb stuff. Once, ok try and show your skills but to keep repeating it isn't great team play or awareness.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:04 am**

Didn't win a single free kick last night, despite being fouled several times. Needs to be more aware and make better decisions.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:07 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:34 am
Yeah let’s all slag off a kid who’s just back from a year long ACL injury and committed to the club by signing a new deal. Let’s not give the kid time to develop and fully recover from his injury, let’s all pile on him instead.

Agreed , pity you don’t apply this new morality to other players, managers, fellow fans .

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:11 am**

Stays in the starting eleven for me. Even when he's not playing particularly well he remains a focus of attention for the opposition, which impacts on their shape and creates space for others. Young player so naturally has things to learn, and he needs supporters' backing him.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:12 am**

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:46 am
Getting reminiscent of the debate about McNeil in his last season with us, and Zaroury in the back end of the last promotion season, is this.

Koleosho wasn't especially good last night. He was a bit predictable and he lacks a bit of light and shade in his game. He's a young player who (a bit like Zaroury) made a very big initial impact because of a surprise factor and is now having to adapt to being a marked man. Once again tonight he was double marked (Barlaser got close to him to support Dijksteel) and the space for him to exploit was closed down with an invitation to go down the outside, onto his weaker foot and with a very quick full back having a yard head start. That is neutralising his strengths and forcing him to adapt.

We didn't help him by creating overloads to drag away that second man. Neither Sarmiento nor Brownhill worked the left to any great extent and whilst Humphrys tried to get forwards occasionally he didn't make the sorts of overlapping he underlapping runs that would have dragged a defender away (he did once and Koleosho played him in with a neat pass before Brownhill shot narrowly over).

He still contributed and was a big factor in getting us up the pitch, but hes clearly short on confidence, not helped by enormous expectations, and needs a bit of help. The bigger point for the team is that when he's drawing two men, that has to create space to be exploited elsewhere and we still don't do that with enough conviction.

Really not sure about this being doubled up on argument. Even if it was true, which I don't think it is, then he has to find a way to escape it. However there were numerous times when he had the full back 1 v 1 and he doesn't seem to know what to do.
Last season he had absolute no fear in going down the outside on the left and he would beat players for fun in doing so, which made him unpredictable because he could go either way.

This season he's really reluctant to try and just outrun players down the left and I suspect he isn't quite as quick as he was and it's damaged his confidence because he isn't just sprinting past opponents in the same manner as he was.

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:14 am**

Goliath wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:12 am

Really not sure about this being doubled up on argument. Even if it was true, which I don't think it is, then he has to find a way to escape it. However there were numerous times when he had the full back 1 v 1 and he doesn't seem to know what to do.
Last season he had absolute no fear in going down the outside on the left and he would beat players for fun in doing so, which made him unpredictable because he could go either way.

This season he's really reluctant to try and just outrun players down the left and I suspect he isn't quite as quick as he was and it's damaged his confidence because he isn't just sprinting past opponents in the same manner as he was.

Exactly this

Posted: **Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:17 am**

Well marked by the opposition which we don’t exploit
Not many wingers are good defenders some parts of the game can’t be coached awareness being one

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