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Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:10 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
What’s the point ??? We play it to Trafford who then plays it to a full back who then plays it to Trafford who then kicks it 50 yards and we lose it.
We are wasting our own time doing this. It’s bizzare
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:15 pm
by wilks_bfc
It ups our pass completion percentage
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:19 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:15 pm
It ups our pass completion percentage
Makes sense. “Battering teams” how many crap sides have we drawn to at home this season ? Passing around the back
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:22 pm
by daveisaclaret
There are people who think passing completion percentage and good football are correlated. It's hard to watch for me.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:42 am
by agreenwood
All the clubs do this now. Parker’s nothing if not firmly textbook.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:41 am
by dandeclaret
Lim sure if Kompany’s team were doing it, coughing up possession and conceding goals nothing would be said, but cos it’s Parker, get him hammered.
Proper sense of entitlement creeping into the fan base.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:54 am
by Bordeauxclaret
It’s a general thing in football now.
I suspect it’s to try and “stretch” the pitch.
Half the sides just use it for time wasting.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:06 am
by blatherwickstattoos
Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:54 am
It’s a general thing in football now.
I suspect it’s to try and “stretch” the pitch.
Half the sides just use it for time wasting.
It’s utter gash.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:08 am
by maccclaret
Keeper kicks to a CH, lone forward closes space between CH and GK and forces play up the wing.
CH kicks to GK and the lone forward has to decide which out ball to block and play can still advance up the middle or inside channel.
Of course any benefit supposes that play does then advance up the pitch rather than just get recycled through the back four.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:10 am
by Bordeauxclaret
Certainly is. Needs binning off and going back to the old rule.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:15 am
by gandhisflipflop
They need to go back to the rule whereby no players are allowed inside the penalty area on goal kicks.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:52 am
by beddie
Even the long balls from Trafford did nothing. Their centre backs had Flemming just where they wanted him, did he actually win anything?
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:04 am
by mickleoverclaret
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:41 am
Lim sure if Kompany’s team were doing it, coughing up possession and conceding goals nothing would be said, but cos it’s Parker, get him hammered.
Proper sense of entitlement creeping into the fan base.
Yeah, don't remember anyone complaining when we were regularly giving up goals doing it last season.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:12 am
by BurnleyFC
The goal kicks themselves aren’t the problem, it’s the tempo in which the passes are made.
There’s no sense of urgency, no quick switches of play from one side of the pitch to the other and no quick breaks while the opposition are out of position.
Proper ponderous pass it about for the sake of it stuff.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:22 am
by Goliath
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:15 am
They need to go back to the rule whereby no players are allowed inside the penalty area on goal kicks.
This was the big change that meant so many teams started trying to play this way. It meant your defenders could get away with not being top class technically to attempt it.
When they had to wait for the ball to get to them outside the box players would be on them straight away.
I distinctly remember Harry Redknapps QPR trying it against us in Dyches first promotion season and we just ended up on top of them winning the ball back constantly.
I wonder if a longer term effect has and will continue to be been the decline of managers like Dyche etc because every new rules seems to be skewed against those older style coaches
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:43 am
by blatherwickstattoos
It’s getting to the point now where I don’t want to watch football. Champions league, internationals and us. Football in general is boring.
When he brought flemming off for a straight swap with Jay instead of taking one of the midfielders off was a sign that parker is more bothered about clean sheets than scoring goals. Horrible football, horrible tactics
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:40 am
by Poulton-le-Claret
blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:43 am
When he brought flemming off for a straight swap with Jay instead of taking one of the midfielders off was a sign that parker is more bothered about clean sheets than scoring goals. Horrible football, horrible tactics
Fully agree, got to wonder what Parker was watching last night to think that we needed to keep Laurent, Cullen and Brownhill all on the pitch at that stage.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:45 am
by Spijed
The likes of Russell Martin and VK are pathetic for playing that way in the prem when it leads to only one outcome.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:46 am
by cockneyclaret
Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:40 am
Fully agree, got to wonder what Parker was watching last night to think that we needed to keep Laurent, Cullen and Brownhill all on the pitch at that stage.
Was hoping to have at least 2 up front at that stage, leaving 3 at the back and going for it
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 1:15 pm
by Stproc
It’s the latest gimmicky trend that all clubs have to do. Its not just us, it’s a part of the ‘passing for the sake of it’ style that making football duller by the week.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:05 pm
by IanMcL
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:22 pm
There are people who think passing completion percentage and good football are correlated. It's hard to watch for me.
The worst football invention: totally misleading stats.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:12 pm
by DanH90
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:41 am
Lim sure if Kompany’s team were doing it, coughing up possession and conceding goals nothing would be said, but cos it’s Parker, get him hammered.
Proper sense of entitlement creeping into the fan base.
Is it entitlement or just ambition and increased expectation as we’ve spent so many years in the Premier League? Fans pay good money to watch something exciting, not the dross we are being served up currently.
Re: Esteve goal kicks
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:27 pm
by DanH90
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:41 am
Lim sure if Kompany’s team were doing it, coughing up possession and conceding goals nothing would be said, but cos it’s Parker, get him hammered.
Proper sense of entitlement creeping into the fan base.
Is it entitlement or just ambition and increased expectation as we’ve spent so many years in the Premier League? Fans pay good money to watch something exciting, not the dross we are being served up currently.