Sorry to be posting again but the Spurs player drags a man back and Dean says it’s not a second card because in effect the games done ,so how did Zaroury get sent off against City when we were 3 down with not long to go?

Another ridiculous comment from Mike Dean. No wonder our referees are so poor when they feel it is acceptable to make things up as they go along.

Also, the incident was nothing like Zaroury’s which was a straight red card.

I guess in the old fashioned terms, it is the equivalent of "applying common sense" which seems to have gone out of the window in the last 10-20 years.

As for the player, I've watched him twice in the last week and he could have walked quite easily in both games.

I'll not hear a word against Deano.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:27 pm

Also, the incident was nothing like Zaroury’s which was a straight red card.

It was that much a straight red that the ref didn’t give it but VAR picked it up.

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:28 pm

I guess in the old fashioned terms, it is the equivalent of "applying common sense" which seems to have gone out of the window in the last 10-20 years.

As for the player, I've watched him twice in the last week and he could have walked quite easily in both games.

Surely though, if a player commits a bookable offence it should be a yellow card regardless of the score or how long left in the game.

Just shows that refs really can’t win.

I dread to think of the comments on here if we’d have had a player sent off for what Bergvall did in the other half in added time when the game is already lost.

How many times are refs asked to use common sense? That’s what happened there and Mike Dean tried to articulate that, although rather badly.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:40 pm

Just shows that refs really can’t win.

I dread to think of the comments on here if we’d have had a player sent off for what Bergvall did in the other half in added time when the game is already lost.

How many times are refs asked to use common sense? That’s what happened there and Mike Dean tried to articulate that, although rather badly.

Totally agree with Mike Dean it’s a pity that things preached aren’t practiced ,can remember Inchy being sent off for time wasting for chipping the ball over Shaka Hislop when we were losing ,all we want is a common sense approach.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:40 pm

Just shows that refs really can’t win.

I dread to think of the comments on here if we’d have had a player sent off for what Bergvall did in the other half in added time when the game is already lost.

But what happens if a player doesn't get a second yelllow card at the end of a game "because the game is already lost" and then goes on to score the winning goal in the next match, when they should really be suspended?

Is that common sense, or even fair?

I don't think common sense should come into it. A bookable offence is a bookable offence, whatever minute of the game and whatever the score.

How would you feel if a key Leeds or Sheffield United player was "let off" and avoiding suspension in the game before we played them?

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:40 pm

Just shows that refs really can’t win.

I dread to think of the comments on here if we’d have had a player sent off for what Bergvall did in the other half in added time when the game is already lost.

How many times are refs asked to use common sense? That’s what happened there and Mike Dean tried to articulate that, although rather badly.

That’s inconsistently applying the laws of the game though. There was enough time in the game for Bergvall to score a goal which has an impact on the league table. He is also now available for their next match which not only gives Spurs an advantage they shouldn’t have had but gives their opponents a disadvantage

I think Dean’s last couple of controversial comments (the other being the daft comment about there being a different bar for a foul because a game was a local derby) are really quite concerning - if indeed the same views are held by the PGMOL, which they may not be.

If Hamer scores the winner on Wednesday, but it turned out he shouldn’t really have been playing because he kicked the ball out in added time in the previous game, I don’t think there would be much fuss, aside from a handful of nerds on the internet.

Common sense is fine.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:51 pm

If Hamer scores the winner on Wednesday, but it turned out he shouldn’t really have been playing because he kicked the ball out in added time in the previous game, I don’t think there would be much fuss, aside from a handful of nerds on the internet.

Common sense is fine.

What’s the common sense though?

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:52 pm

What’s the common sense though?

Let’s call it the context of the game. It’s not definable but we all know when we we’ve seen a daft decision that has applied the rules of the game to the letter when it really wasn’t necessary.

Anyway, it’s just my opinion that I prefer them to ref that way. No biggie.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:59 pm

Let’s call it the context of the game. It’s not definable but we all know when we we’ve seen a daft decision that has applied the rules of the game to the letter when it really wasn’t necessary.

Anyway, it’s just my opinion that I prefer them to ref that way. No biggie.

You may as well do away with rules and let refs make it up as they go along then.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:59 pm

Let’s call it the context of the game. It’s not definable but we all know when we we’ve seen a daft decision that has applied the rules of the game to the letter when it really wasn’t necessary.

Anyway, it’s just my opinion that I prefer them to ref that way. No biggie.

Yeah, not looking for an argument, I just feel the exact opposite. The referee should not be able to judge at what point they feel that a decision is necessary. Where do you draw the line? Should they not give a clear penalty to a team that is winning 3-0 in injury time? Should they let a player off for violent conduct after the final whistle?

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:01 pm

You may as well do away with rules and let refs make it up as they go along then.

Lol. This has got great “we might as well cancel Christmas” vibes when they don’t have the right cranberry sauce in Tesco.

The rules are the rules - the timing and circumstances ought to be irrelevant

Stonehouse wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:24 pm

Sorry to be posting again but the Spurs player drags a man back and Dean says it’s not a second card because in effect the games done ,so how did Zaroury get sent off against City when we were 3 down with not long to go?

Hardly comparable when one is a potential yellow and the other a straight red

Dean is actually a good ref, but still should be applying the rules properly right up to (and sometimes beyond) the final whistle. Sending someone off with the game virtually over might appear unnecessary in terms of that game, but the player will get a suspension etc which could affect the next game and beyond.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:38 pm

Hardly comparable when one is a potential yellow and the other a straight red

Unfortunately we don’t know what a straight red is ,as I said before the ref didn’t deem it so and if the current set of tv pundits looked at it today would they say that there was intent or enough force used if it was a City or Arsenal player and also they might say Zaroury was really good to his mother and hadn’t got a nasty bone in his body.

More sh1te from Mike Dean. A yellow card is a yellow card minute 1 or minute 99. It is not the refs decision whether a player should pick up a ban for two yellows or not, he/she is there to enforce the laws of the game irrelevant of consequences.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:01 pm

You may as well do away with rules and let refs make it up as they go along then.

Referees are allowed to make it up in the context of the game. Many times they will play advantage.

The laws also use to say “in the opinion of the referee”. But we’ve gone so far the other way now, refereeing is virtually an impossible job. People want 1mm toenails flagged offside! Because the attacking player with size 11 feet is obviously gaining an unfair advantage over the size 9 defender!

Football is just crazily boring now.

Is it actually a rule that the referee must book a player for pulling another man back? As far as I was aware, the referee had discretion in these matters.

I thought Mike Dean was a decent ref, but talks rubbish more often than not when he's asked to comment. Not sure if he believes what he says every time or just wants to support the ref.

The referee got that one right. It wasn't as if the player was heading in on goal... So a free kick and a quiet word from the referee was enough.