Burnley link - where are the English managers?
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oswyclaret
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Re: Burnley link - where are the English managers?
You can say that about the players too!
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Hipper
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Re: Burnley link - where are the English managers?
In part I like to think it's because we in the UK are more open minded. We appoint a good manager whatever his nationality.
I bought a Peugeot bicycle years ago. Everything on it - brakes, saddle, gears, tyres etc. was French made. Compare that to a Raleigh bike at the time - Swiss brakes, Japanese gears.. One was probably no better then the other.
I bought a Peugeot bicycle years ago. Everything on it - brakes, saddle, gears, tyres etc. was French made. Compare that to a Raleigh bike at the time - Swiss brakes, Japanese gears.. One was probably no better then the other.
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Re: Burnley link - where are the English managers?
Plenty of factors here but there is genuine discrimination against English managers these days. They're unfairly castigated as being 'dinosaurs'.
Sean Dyche is the current best example but Sam Allardyce got it too. Both these managers improved and over-achieved whereever they went. Both were exponents of sports science, data analysis and improving the cutting edge margins that are vital in the modern game.
Another factor was that far too many of the old boys club were appointed into jobs they had no real qualifications for. This is still going on, to a lesser but still significant extent.
There simply isn't a good meritcratic ladder for successful coaches and managers to progress along. People are put into boxes and assigned labels that restrict progress or allow them to unfairly start higher up the ladder.
It's still going on with the chances and opportunities afforded to the likes of Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard. These two are said to, "know the elite game".
Compare these two to the manager of Tamworth FC. Tamworth are in the lower half of the National League but the truth is they're at least a league above the "natural" level their budget would suggest they ought to belong.
Their manager, Andy Peaks, has worked miracles. Any team in the lower leagues in search of a manager should doing all the can to tempt managers like Peaks, yet they aren't. They're all appointing ex-players or trying to look sophisticated by appointing somebody with a foreign name.
Andy Peaks is said be, "only good at his level" - even though he hasn't ever been given a chance to repeat his work at a higher level.
In short, too many clubs aren't appointing based on merit. They're following fashions and trends rather than appointing on ability.
Sean Dyche is the current best example but Sam Allardyce got it too. Both these managers improved and over-achieved whereever they went. Both were exponents of sports science, data analysis and improving the cutting edge margins that are vital in the modern game.
Another factor was that far too many of the old boys club were appointed into jobs they had no real qualifications for. This is still going on, to a lesser but still significant extent.
There simply isn't a good meritcratic ladder for successful coaches and managers to progress along. People are put into boxes and assigned labels that restrict progress or allow them to unfairly start higher up the ladder.
It's still going on with the chances and opportunities afforded to the likes of Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard. These two are said to, "know the elite game".
Compare these two to the manager of Tamworth FC. Tamworth are in the lower half of the National League but the truth is they're at least a league above the "natural" level their budget would suggest they ought to belong.
Their manager, Andy Peaks, has worked miracles. Any team in the lower leagues in search of a manager should doing all the can to tempt managers like Peaks, yet they aren't. They're all appointing ex-players or trying to look sophisticated by appointing somebody with a foreign name.
Andy Peaks is said be, "only good at his level" - even though he hasn't ever been given a chance to repeat his work at a higher level.
In short, too many clubs aren't appointing based on merit. They're following fashions and trends rather than appointing on ability.
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Superjohnnyfrancis
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Re: Burnley link - where are the English managers?
£41000 or something to get a pro license with no guarantee of a job at the end of it.
Even the lowest cert is about 100 hours of laborious box ticking.
Could be solved if the FA has anything about them, up to them to sort it.
Even the lowest cert is about 100 hours of laborious box ticking.
Could be solved if the FA has anything about them, up to them to sort it.