Someone sat close to PB said YFB at one point in time. He felt it was necessary to apologise for said comment (which I understand).

What made me laugh was that the only Claret in sight was Connor Roberts. Now, our Connor might be many things but he's certainly not obese.

ecc wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:55 pm

Someone sat close to PB said YFB at one point in time. He felt it was necessary to apologise for said comment (which I understand).

What made me laugh was that the only Claret in sight was Connor Roberts. Now, our Connor might be many things but he's certainly not obese.

It's bonkers, who says sorry to those at the game who hear it. Surprisingly you hear bad language at a football match

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:01 pm

It's bonkers, who says sorry to those at the game who hear it. Surprisingly you hear bad language at a football match

Probably a broadcasting requirement of some sort, like they do on Sky Sports.

Rugby commentators do it all the time as the refs have mikes that pick up all sorts of stuff.

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:01 pm

It's bonkers, who says sorry to those at the game who hear it. Surprisingly you hear bad language at a football match

Sky Sports Comms do it all the time ... I think it is a requirement of broadcasting to apologise for language they can't bleep out

ecc wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:55 pm

Someone sat close to PB said YFB at one point in time. He felt it was necessary to apologise for said comment (which I understand).

What made me laugh was that the only Claret in sight was Connor Roberts. Now, our Connor might be many things but he's certainly not obese.

I thought they made him commentate on away games from his bedroom these days.

On Sky I hear shite talked all the time by commentators and yet we never hear an apology

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:21 am

I thought they made him commentate on away games from his bedroom these days.

Wouldn’t matter if he’s doing it from his bedroom, Australia or the moon, unless they mute the stadium mics around the pitch side then you’d still hear the crowd noise

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:30 am

On Sky I hear shite talked all the time by commentators and yet we never hear an apology

Exactly

I find apologising for bad language a bit out dated. Everyone swears now, male, female, young and old. I remember the daft old days when guys used to threaten other blokes for ‘swearing in front of my wife’. The same wife who A: didn’t get a say in it and B: probably swore like a trooper when hubby wasn’t there. It’s just words.

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:41 am

Wouldn’t matter if he’s doing it from his bedroom, Australia or the moon, unless they mute the stadium mics around the pitch side then you’d still hear the crowd noise

It tends to be really noticeable for that exact reason. The crowd noise seems a lot quieter and distant. It sounds incredibly crap whenever I hear him on one of the streams for an away game.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:43 am

I find apologising for bad language a bit out dated. Everyone swears now, male, female, young and old. I remember the daft old days when guys used to threaten other blokes for ‘swearing in front of my wife’. The same wife who A: didn’t get a say in it and B: probably swore like a trooper when hubby wasn’t there. It’s just words.

In context time & a place. It's depends on the company & the severity of the bad language used. It's 1 thing swearing in a pub full of blokes & another in a tea room full of old ladies.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:43 am

I find apologising for bad language a bit out dated. Everyone swears now, male, female, young and old. I remember the daft old days when guys used to threaten other blokes for ‘swearing in front of my wife’. The same wife who A: didn’t get a say in it and B: probably swore like a trooper when hubby wasn’t there. It’s just words.

I do find the constant apologies on SKY a bit tedious. Put a warning out before each half perhaps, but not each time a single voice is heard bellowing an expletive. Half the songs are full of bad language, yet there is no apology for those.

To add to that, no, everyone doesn’t swear. I can think of plenty of people who I have never heard utter a single expletive. There’s a time and a place. It’s about being respectful of the situation and those around you.

Too many can’t read the room and don’t have a wide enough vocabulary to come up with an alternative. If swearing is simply allowed to become the norm, it dilutes its intended purpose.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:23 pm

I do find the constant apologies on SKY a bit tedious. Put a warning out before each half perhaps, but not each time a single voice is heard bellowing an expletive. Half the songs are full of bad language, yet there is no apology for those.

To add to that, no, everyone doesn’t swear. I can think of plenty of people who I have never heard utter a single expletive. There’s a time and a place. It’s about being respectful of the situation and those around you.

Too many can’t read the room and don’t have a wide enough vocabulary to come up with an alternative. If swearing is simply allowed to become the norm, it dilutes its intended purpose.

Tedious as it is it's a short-lived interruption. what some people seem to forget is that kids are in earshot it's more expected & accepted as the norm when in actual attendance at the game & that choice is made by a responsible adult to allow a child to accompany you. It's no big deal to me sky apologising & trying to be respectful it's not as if you are dealing with minute interruptions it's seconds.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:21 am

I thought they made him commentate on away games from his bedroom these days.

Not quite his bedroom but for away games he does them from a studio in Preston

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:37 pm

Not quite his bedroom but for away games he does them from a studio in Preston

The cost saving must be absolutely minimal there after taking into account the price of hiring the studio and equipment for a few hours

houseboy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:43 am

I find apologising for bad language a bit out dated. Everyone swears now, male, female, young and old. I remember the daft old days when guys used to threaten other blokes for ‘swearing in front of my wife’. The same wife who A: didn’t get a say in it and B: probably swore like a trooper when hubby wasn’t there. It’s just words.

Your circles and mine are quite different, houseboy. Not everyone swears, and some of those who do recognise there's a time and a place. (And not everyone's wife can be judged in the same as wives of your acquaintance.)

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:56 am

In context time & a place. It's depends on the company & the severity of the bad language used. It's 1 thing swearing in a pub full of blokes & another in a tea room full of old ladies.

Brings to mind that great Billy Connolly song "That 4- letter word"

It shouldn't be heard
In polite company
Where aged old ladies are sipping their tea
But if those ladies' pasts
Were revealed, sure as hell
They've not only said it
They've done it as well

Swearing is everywhere today it doesn’t matter what age i was shopping in the supermarket the other week when i politely said excuse me to old lady (80ish) who was blocking the aisle talking to a friend she turned to me and told me F*** Off and wait it made everyone in hear shot smile one woman said to me that “told you”

**** is used on tv all the time and no one bothers anymore but it’s the dreaded C word that’s still quite taboo but for how long I don’t ******* know.

MVG called Littler a BAST ARD at about 11pm at night and they apologised
Sad world we live in

It seems a bit ‘snowflakey’ getting upset at broadcasters apologising for unintended bad language.

Folkestoneclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:13 pm

Brings to mind that great Billy Connolly song "That 4- letter word"

It shouldn't be heard
In polite company
Where aged old ladies are sipping their tea
But if those ladies' pasts
Were revealed, sure as hell
They've not only said it
They've done it as well

Yes of course that may be true but as experience draws if you want a easy comfortable life it's better not to offend & just go about your business in a quiet friendly way.

Iirc live sport is by default a U rating, and so any bad language needs to be apologised for reflecting that.

It does feel a bit weird though when you can have Usyk and Fury knocking 7 bells out of each other but you have to apologise for a bit of fruity language.

I despise foul language, but it’s all about context for me. People who cannot string two words together without including an expletive I try to give a wide birth too, people yelling the odd word in anger/frustration/ slip tend not to bother me.

I've watched a few matches with Phil Bird this season and he seems to be losing the plot. Saying the wrong names, giving wrong information.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:43 am

I find apologising for bad language a bit out dated. Everyone swears now, male, female, young and old.

Speak for yourself, I guess I mix in different circles to you.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:50 pm

The cost saving must be absolutely minimal there after taking into account the price of hiring the studio and equipment for a few hours

It isn’t a cost saving measure

deanothedino wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:29 pm

It isn’t a cost saving measure

Fair enough, what's the reason?

deanothedino wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:29 pm

It isn’t a cost saving measure

I was told it was because for some games it required overnight stays - think this is the second season where he's done it from a studio in Preston. First time I realised was last season's PL game at Luton when Sky virtually missed our winning goal so he didn't see it either.

I presume he didn’t go to Preston for the Blackburn game. Surely he only needs to commentate from Preston for the away games down south or over a certain distance.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:45 pm

I was told it was because for some games it required overnight stays - think this is the second season where he's done it from a studio in Preston. First time I realised was last season's PL game at Luton when Sky virtually missed our winning goal so he didn't see it either.

The coverage of JBLs goal in the Luton game was poor, kept showing replays of a Luton chance and then went back to the game as he was about to shoot so I get that is a give away that the commentators are not viewing it live.

Watched the Watford game the other week and the comms we had on the TV was 3 Counties radio which was amusing, they lost connection just before we scored 2nd and spent a couple of minutes listening to music and then the host of the show whilst still watching the game.

Get the feeling that the commentators on the games shown on Sky Sports + are not in the ground.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:51 pm

I despise foul language, but it’s all about context for me. People who cannot string two words together without including an expletive I try to give a wide birth too, people yelling the odd word in anger/frustration/ slip tend not to bother me.

The telly after 9pm has people using the F word frequently, whether that's in dramas, sitcoms, panel shows or whatever.

When did that become a thing? I remember when there were rules against foul language on the box, and Hollywood films even had profanities replaced with something less severe, which was hilarious at times.

I'm not sure which is better, but I guess it just shows that times and attitudes change.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:08 pm

The telly after 9pm has people using the F word frequently, whether that's in dramas, sitcoms, panel shows or whatever.

When did that become a thing? I remember when there were rules against foul language on the box, and Hollywood films even had profanities replaced with something less severe, which was hilarious at times.

I'm not sure which is better, but I guess it just shows that times and attitudes change.

Indeed, and not always for the better

NL Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:00 pm

Get the feeling that the commentators on the games shown on Sky Sports + are not in the ground.

Comes across like that

They’re not. The sky plus stuff is being produced by another company, essentially it’s what was the home club’s feed which is why it sometimes cuts to the local comms.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:23 pm

I do find the constant apologies on SKY a bit tedious. Put a warning out before each half perhaps, but not each time a single voice is heard bellowing an expletive. Half the songs are full of bad language, yet there is no apology for those.

To add to that, no, everyone doesn’t swear. I can think of plenty of people who I have never heard utter a single expletive. There’s a time and a place. It’s about being respectful of the situation and those around you.

Too many can’t read the room and don’t have a wide enough vocabulary to come up with an alternative. If swearing is simply allowed to become the norm, it dilutes its intended purpose.

I agree. I try not to swear too much but I do when angry. I also try not to swear when uncertain about ‘the room’. But I think it’s all down to hypocrisy sometimes. My dad was brought up in a rough family and spent about three years in the army during the war, and although he bloodied and damned a lot was 22 before I heard him utter a ‘serious’ swear word. But I wasn’t daft enough to think he didn’t use colourful language out of my hearing. My main gripe was these apemen years ago who felt they had to somehow protect the delicate ears of their wives without even asking them if they gave a damn.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:52 pm

Your circles and mine are quite different, houseboy. Not everyone swears, and some of those who do recognise there's a time and a place. (And not everyone's wife can be judged in the same as wives of your acquaintance.)

I associate with all kinds of people bud, many of whom are intelligent and quick witted (although some are not) but to be honest I don’t think swearers have ‘types’. I have a very good friend who is one of the nicest people I have ever known and he never swears, but he doesn’t get upset when people do. I’d be interested to know, genuinely, what your ‘circles’ are. I’m sure you didn’t mean it but your comment came across as ever so slightly elitist. Given that even Royalty swear (Phil the Greek was particularly good at it apparently) it would be interesting to know the kind of people you hang out with. As for the wives you refer to I was making a point that maybe those wives who were being ‘protected’ perhaps didn’t need the protection. It was just a male domination thing.

jos wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:20 pm

Speak for yourself, I guess I mix in different circles to you.

I’m not speaking for myself, I’m speaking generally. I’m guessing you move in the same ‘circles’ as DSR who commented something very similar. What are these circles where no-one swears? Is it some kind of secret society with a swear box in the corner? Although circles don’t have corners do they?
All joking part (for that is what I’m doing) I am 70 years old and had a varied life with all its ups and downs but I have never ever felt the need to defend any of my partners from swearing by others, neither have I ever needed to punch anyone for doing so. Oddly I have credited them with the independence and intelligence to decide for themselves if they are offended. That was my point.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:06 am

I’m not speaking for myself, I’m speaking generally. I’m guessing you move in the same ‘circles’ as DSR who commented something very similar. What are these circles where no-one swears? Is it some kind of secret society with a swear box in the corner? Although circles don’t have corners do they?
All joking part (for that is what I’m doing) I am 70 years old and had a varied life with all its ups and downs but I have never ever felt the need to defend any of my partners from swearing by others, neither have I ever needed to punch anyone for doing so. Oddly I have credited them with the independence and intelligence to decide for themselves if they are offended. That was my point.

It's quite simple, a lot of people find swearing to be rude and disrespectful. I don't swear around people unless I know they don't mind, out of respect for them. I don't think it's a difficult concept to understand that bad language is rude and disrespectful. People are free to do what they wish, it comes down to character. In certain situations like the pub or at a football game I think it's personally fair to expect swearing to be around you, and you shouldn't be upset or offended by it unless directly aimed at you.

Sat at home on the sofa watching tv/online streams in your own home however, is not a situation I personally feel it's acceptable to be disrespected - as a result, I think it's correct to apologise.

Respect is the key word. Age, experience etc etc is irrelevant. Sorry didn't mean to specifically reply to you houseboy, more a general response to the thread.

whiffa wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:11 am

It's quite simple, a lot of people find swearing to be rude and disrespectful. I don't swear around people unless I know they don't mind, out of respect for them. I don't think it's a difficult concept to understand that bad language is rude and disrespectful. People are free to do what they wish, it comes down to character. In certain situations like the pub or at a football game I think it's personally fair to expect swearing to be around you, and you shouldn't be upset or offended by it unless directly aimed at you.

Sat at home on the sofa watching tv/online streams in your own home however, is not a situation I personally feel it's acceptable to be disrespected - as a result, I think it's correct to apologise.

Respect is the key word. Age, experience etc etc is irrelevant. Sorry didn't mean to specifically reply to you houseboy, more a general response to the thread.

That’s a great response bud. I know what you mean. With TV maybe a simple ‘this programme may contain offensive language’ at the beginning should be enough. That would give the more sensitive the opportunity to make an informed decision as to whether they watch or not. As you rightly say
if you find swearing offensive maybe a football match is not the place for you.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:56 pm

I associate with all kinds of people bud, many of whom are intelligent and quick witted (although some are not) but to be honest I don’t think swearers have ‘types’. I have a very good friend who is one of the nicest people I have ever known and he never swears, but he doesn’t get upset when people do. I’d be interested to know, genuinely, what your ‘circles’ are. I’m sure you didn’t mean it but your comment came across as ever so slightly elitist. Given that even Royalty swear (Phil the Greek was particularly good at it apparently) it would be interesting to know the kind of people you hang out with. As for the wives you refer to I was making a point that maybe those wives who were being ‘protected’ perhaps didn’t need the protection. It was just a male domination thing.

The number of people I know like you describe, those who would swear in front of young and old and never see any need to apologise, are few. Frankly, when I hear conversations in the street from people who think every breath is wasted that doesn't contain one or both of the words "F***" or "S***", I don't want to know them. Maybe they are perfectly nice people apart from the fact that they believe themselves to have no need to consider others; or else, like you, they can hardly conceive of any person who might be offended.

What do you mean by "elitist"?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:37 pm

Not quite his bedroom but for away games he does them from a studio in Preston

And, given that circumstance, he does a bloody good job.

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:16 am

The number of people I know like you describe, those who would swear in front of young and old and never see any need to apologise, are few. Frankly, when I hear conversations in the street from people who think every breath is wasted that doesn't contain one or both of the words "F***" or "S***", I don't want to know them. Maybe they are perfectly nice people apart from the fact that they believe themselves to have no need to consider others; or else, like you, they can hardly conceive of any person who might be offended.

What do you mean by "elitist"?

My issue is that today all the world and his wife are ‘offended’ by something. I don’t ever intend to offend people and would not knowingly do so, but I’m getting increasingly short of patience with the ever growing number of people who use the term ‘you can’t say that’. Unfortunately it is getting worse.
Incidentally you have said twice in your post ‘people like you’. This is where my suspicion of elitism comes in. You don’t know me and wouldn’t recognise me in an empty room, why do you presume to know anything about me at all? I’m quite a nice bloke when you get to know me, as I am sure you are, so using phrases like that is, to me, just as bad as swearing.
By the way I do like a bit of interesting argument so please don’t think I am being aggressive or contentious, that is not my intention.

houseboy wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:06 am

I’m not speaking for myself, I’m speaking generally. I’m guessing you move in the same ‘circles’ as DSR who commented something very similar. What are these circles where no-one swears? Is it some kind of secret society with a swear box in the corner? Although circles don’t have corners do they?
All joking part (for that is what I’m doing) I am 70 years old and had a varied life with all its ups and downs but I have never ever felt the need to defend any of my partners from swearing by others, neither have I ever needed to punch anyone for doing so. Oddly I have credited them with the independence and intelligence to decide for themselves if they are offended. That was my point.

But you stated that “everyone swears” and that simply isn’t true, perhaps you should have phrased it differently. Let’s face it anyone can swear, but I like many of my friends and family chose not to.
I never heard any of my grandparents or my parents swear either.

People have different values, where I sit at the back of the longside there’s generally only one guy who shouts abuse using bad language (which is a bit of a shame as a young lad sits in front of me, who perhaps should be in he family section)

houseboy wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:51 am

My issue is that today all the world and his wife are ‘offended’ by something. I don’t ever intend to offend people and would not knowingly do so, but I’m getting increasingly short of patience with the ever growing number of people who use the term ‘you can’t say that’. Unfortunately it is getting worse.
Incidentally you have said twice in your post ‘people like you’. This is where my suspicion of elitism comes in. You don’t know me and wouldn’t recognise me in an empty room, why do you presume to know anything about me at all? I’m quite a nice bloke when you get to know me, as I am sure you are, so using phrases like that is, to me, just as bad as swearing.
By the way I do like a bit of interesting argument so please don’t think I am being aggressive or contentious, that is not my intention.

The first "like you" refers to the people you describe who swear all the time regardless of context. It doesn't refer to you personally.

The second "like you" does refer to you, and it refers specifically to the fact that you have stated that you don't expect people to be offended by swearing. I know that is so because you have said so. I know something about you because you have told me via this message board. I don't need to assume.

Isn't this all a bit pointless? I don't like swearing, you don't mind it, let's let it rest.

Over here therenisnt any watershed. You get full explicit versions on the radio at any time. Quite rhe culture shock at first but now it just feels like being treated like an adult

If they don't apologise they risk a hefty fine.

In today's world, unfortunately it's a case of go woke or go broke.

UTFC

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:11 pm

Over here therenisnt any watershed. You get full explicit versions on the radio at any time. Quite rhe culture shock at first but now it just feels like being treated like an adult

In Czech or English? We get full explicit versions of English songs here in Germany all day, however I assume that is because they aren't in German. Similarly, I imagine that a song talking about Scheiß would probably be good on Radio 1.