Promotion was the target when Scott was appointed and he has created a team from June capable of achieving that.Yes us older fans wanted a demolition of Leeds like we saw in the 70s at Elland Road .But it's about substance over style sometimes.Not entertaining but it gets you Promotion and that's the rub play well and loose
or get the average 2 points per game needed by any means no matter how boring. It's about the money as it always was.

SP has always displayed a pragmatic approach to games and I feel that he now has a team that can change styles as he requires. Away at Plymouth attack and destroy the opposition. At home to DL, play defensively and take the point. I think going forward we're going to see a lot of how we approach each game being dictated as to how strong or dangerous SP feels the opposition are. It's taken a while for SP to coach the team in the way that he thinks but I now detect a subtle change and feel we're all going to be pleasantly surprised at tactics going forward.

Not sure what peoples issue with last night is to be honest. Leeds were exactly the same as us - more scared of losing than going hard for the win. It was always going to be a 0-0 because it suited us both. I think Parker and Farke are confident that there is enough points in the remaining games to get automatic promotion without ceding ground to their direct rival. We are the two best squads in the division. I'd have bit your hand off for a point beforehand, so would both managers.

It is what it is. It’s not going to change much between now and May.

If we go up, he’ll have done an excellent job, but we’ll have been a bit bored at times along the way.

If we don’t go up we’ll all be asking whether we really did endure so many dull games for nought.

Whether his style was effective will ultimately be judged on which division we’re in next season.

Does anyone actually look forward to another 2 or 3 years of ParkerBall?

burnley007 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:47 am

Does anyone actually look forward to another 2 or 3 years of ParkerBall?

Yes. A team with a good defence.

burnley007 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:47 am

Does anyone actually look forward to another 2 or 3 years of ParkerBall?

Depends how it develops.

burnley007 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:47 am

Does anyone actually look forward to another 2 or 3 years of ParkerBall?

Yes - but I loved the Sean Dyche era too, peoples mileage can vary. I am more than happy for Parker to set us up with different mindsets/strategies depending on the opposition (which leads to games like last night). In fact, I think that will give us a far better platform to win points in the Premier League should we go up.

I loved 22/23 as much as anyone else, but the fallacy there was thinking we could play that way against anyone (which is why we lost 5-2 at Bramall Lane and then got absolutely destroyed in the Premier League). Parker seems far more risk averse, pragmatic and reserved than Kompany. That leads to a less exciting watch (absolutely no doubt) but may well suit us as a club better in terms of the limited level of success we could hope to have. It's an unfortunate reality that this club needs Premier League TV money due to our ownership - as a result, perhaps we have decided that a more defensive, experienced and defence-first setup may allow us to scrape 17th--^ next season.

My positive on SP so far is the amount of money I've made from betting on 0-0.

It's generally been around 5/1 each time. Free money.

jedi_master wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:41 am

Not sure what peoples issue with last night is to be honest. Leeds were exactly the same as us - more scared of losing than going hard for the win. It was always going to be a 0-0 because it suited us both. I think Parker and Farke are confident that there is enough points in the remaining games to get automatic promotion without ceding ground to their direct rival. We are the two best squads in the division. I'd have bit your hand off for a point beforehand, so would both managers.

It's because it's not the only home game that we have had to suffer this type of game
Solid at the back, clueless up top leading to a 0-0 bore draw.The point against Leeds is a good result,but unless we get more fire power in the front by Friday,we will see the same sort of game against the likes of Oxford and we will miss out on the top two places

A solid foundation for PL football is having a watertight defence.

We have got through our tough run now, time to take the shackles off and play like Plymouth away and rack up 4 or 5 wins in a row.

burnley007 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:47 am

Does anyone actually look forward to another 2 or 3 years of ParkerBall?

If we go up we might be the first team to never score a goal. If we don't there'll be plenty more 0-0s. Unsure how anyone who doesn't enjoy punishment could look forward to it.

SPs brief was obviously to steady the ship after the turbulent voyage of VK. He has done that remarkably well.
His hands have been tied over both transfer windows but with promotion, given a bit of money, I think SP will spend it well and establish Burnley as a solid but unattractive mid table PL team.
That's, probably, as much as we can expect.

Leeds fans are melting down over on X, very upset we didn’t come out and play. Do a search for ‘Burnley’ and it is meltdown after meltdown.

Got to mean Parker did something right last night. That’s his brief pure and simple.

To be honest, I’m more upset with how bad Flemming was, not laying that ball off to Anthony when he blazed it over the bar was criminal in a game of so few chance. That goes in, Leeds come out, the whole feel of the game changes.

p.s. Flemming done well overall in the last month, no complaints.

Some people are getting carried away with the Plymouth game
They were awful in the first half continually giving the ball away and yes, we took advantage
In the second half they changed their style and we could not score and it was not because we took our foot off the gas
This is negative football, playing square pegs in round holes, and I fear we may just miss out on promotion unless something changes in our attacking line up/style
Problem is this won't happen with the current players under SP

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:04 am

Some people are getting carried away with the Plymouth game
They were awful in the first half continually giving the ball away and yes, we took advantage
In the second half they changed their style and we could not score and it was not because we took our foot off the gas
This is negative football, playing square pegs in round holes, and I fear we may just miss out on promotion unless something changes in our attacking line up/style
Problem is this won't happen with the current players under SP

hmmm...

How come we are by far the best team away from home in the Championship if we are so negative in our matches away?

Wouldn’t it be great if a manager could just come into a difficult situation and in just a few months engender a great team spirit and set up one of the most successful defences ever.

It’s a shame we’d never be lucky enough to find anyone like that - if they even exist.

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:04 am

Some people are getting carried away with the Plymouth game
They were awful in the first half continually giving the ball away and yes, we took advantage
In the second half they changed their style and we could not score and it was not because we took our foot off the gas
This is negative football, playing square pegs in round holes, and I fear we may just miss out on promotion unless something changes in our attacking line up/style
Problem is this won't happen with the current players under SP

Our away form suggests different

You may not enjoy it but you can guarantee that if we do go up, we will look a hell of a lot less embarrassing in the Premier League than last time.

How many 0-0 draws? Too many and yes a point at home to Leeds may be satisfactory to some but not having a shot in goal is poor by any standard.

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:04 am

Some people are getting carried away with the Plymouth game
They were awful in the first half continually giving the ball away and yes, we took advantage
In the second half they changed their style and we could not score and it was not because we took our foot off the gas
This is negative football, playing square pegs in round holes, and I fear we may just miss out on promotion unless something changes in our attacking line up/style
Problem is this won't happen with the current players under SP

You don't genuinely think that we kept our foot on the gas in the second half at Plymouth do you?

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:24 am

Our away form suggests different

I was talking about our game in general (home and away)

Our home form shows only 15 goals scored in 14 games - nobody with less, and only Hull with the same number

If people think that is good then ok

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:53 am

I was talking about our game in general (home and away)

Our home form shows only 15 goals scored in 14 games - nobody with less, and only Hull with the same number

If people think that is good then ok

When you say playing square pegs in round holes who are you referring to? Flemming?

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:12 am

When you say playing square pegs in round holes who are you referring to? Flemming?

I think trying to play the number 9 role in this current stifling Burnley set up is more like a pit of despair than a round hole

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:12 am

When you say playing square pegs in round holes who are you referring to? Flemming?

Foster, Humphries.

Fosters played out wide before, in fact he's done it under Kompany.

Humpries can absolutely play that position, when we setup defensive like we did last night without the need to push forward much. Hence why he swaps in and out for pires.

Flemming is the only one for me, who's shown he can do it, but not consistently.

Not beating Derby and Stoke at home isn't great whatever way you try and spin it.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:14 pm

Not beating Derby and Stoke at home isn't great whatever way you try and spin it.

I can take not winning, but setting out to not lose against those kind of teams is what I struggle with. It is boring and uninspiring and I'm sick of it.

It's an interesting one this, isn't it, bringing together lots of different issues including that perennial question of means justifying the ends.

Ultimately success for the manager depends on going up this season; i think we're sacrificing a lot in the current approach and I don't agree with it quite often (especially last night where it did not look like we were trying to win let alone remembering football is supposed to be entertaining).

I do think it's fair to say that if we don't go up automatically, given all the financial advantages we've had squad-wise, then there'll be some very serious questions for the manager to answer about approach. Suspect failure while "going for it" would be viewed a lot more kindly than "pragmatism" that ultimately ends in failure.

Lancashire Evening Post have published an article showing Opta’s predicted final Championship table

https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/pr ... ke-4963038

They make the top 4 :
Leeds United - 93
Burnley - 89
Sheffield United - 87
Sunderland - 82

I'd be surprised if we don't get more points than that but that would be my top two. We've come through a tough set of fixtures since boxing day with 3 wins and 4 draws playing all three of the teams in that top 4 and that lot down the road.

At the start of the season I felt that we didn't have a great set of available attacking options. For me Anthony and Flemming are the only two who have really come out of this season with any kind of credit, the others have shown very little. All credit to Scott Parker for getting them to keep on producing the results. Hopefully some of the returning players will get a chance to show their class towards the end of the season. Hopefully Shelvey can show us some of the quality he had back in the day.

Robbie Blakes and his brief.

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:24 am

Our away form suggests different

This table shows exactly why the approach against Leeds was bizarre. They are not a great side away from home