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Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:59 am
by fatboy47
....apparently...I've seen some big bottom lips in my time...but here's probably the best yet...
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Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:05 am
by jedi_master
Haha!
Maybe it didn't occur to them that the reason Esteve and Egan-Riley 'didn't get tested' (against arguably the best team in the division, who we have two clean sheets against) is because the entire team defends superbly as a unit and limits chances to an almost ridiculous level. The centre backs never look flustered or have to make last ditch tackles because their positioning, pace and strength is beyond this division. You don't earn our defensive record via luck.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:06 am
by BurnleyFC
Worth more than their entire team and decrepit stadium combined.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:07 am
by Woodleyclaret
Best partnership since Ben Mee and Tarks they seem to have a telepathic understanding of what each other will do in any situation
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:08 am
by BurnleyFC
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:06 am
Worth more than their entire team and decrepit stadium combined.
But only if we manage to tie CJ down.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:09 am
by Poulton-le-Claret
Joint best defensive record of all time so far, guess it's all just good luck
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:11 am
by jedi_master
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:08 am
But only if we manage to tie CJ down.
Yes - that is becoming a worry. He has earned the right to ask for parity with pretty much anyone else in the squad, give him it. He will make us it back in spades in a transfer fee.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:22 am
by NottsClaret
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:08 am
But only if we manage to tie CJ down.
Unfortunately, I don't see any reason for him to sign now. Whatever we offer, he can easily get elsewhere as a free agent in the summer. If we miss out on promotion, I'm sure one of the promoted sides would be delighted to take him on a free. If we do go up, then he can sign our deal anyway, if he doesn't get a better one.
We can't grumble, he was benched or sent out on loan for most of the time he's been here.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:25 am
by Goliath
NottsClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:22 am
Unfortunately, I don't see any reason for him to sign now. Whatever we offer, he can easily get elsewhere as a free agent in the summer. If we miss out on promotion, I'm sure one of the promoted sides would be delighted to take him on a free. If we do go up, then he can sign our deal anyway, if he doesn't get a better one.
We can't grumble, he was benched or sent out on loan for most of the time he's been here.
He's basically like a loan signing for us now this season. There will be about 20 teams sniffing around him already, if not more.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:25 am
by jedi_master
Maybe CJ has an agreement with the club on a contract, but he will only sign it if we go up.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:11 pm
by BurnleyFC
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:25 am
Maybe CJ has an agreement with the club on a contract, but he will only sign it if we go up.
No pressure then…
As you say, it’s gone worryingly quiet on his contract situation. I’d be gutted if we lost him for a pittance in the summer.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:36 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:09 am
Joint best defensive record of all time so far, guess it's all just good luck
I think a lot of the reason is down to system.
We are so compact and we slow the game down so much that very rarely do our CBs ever come up against players one on one.
The biggest test will be whether they can do the same in the premier league where the players are quicker and stronger than anything at this level.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:50 pm
by RVclaret
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:36 pm
I think a lot of the reason is down to system.
We are so compact and we slow the game down so much that very rarely do our CBs ever come up against players one on one.
The biggest test will be whether they can do the same in the premier league where the players are quicker and stronger than anything at this level.
In fairness Esteve has already shown he can compete physically with PL strikers. I remember him winning duels against Antonio and Nunez and thinking this lad has got it. What i like about Humphreys is he also has the physicality to match them, he’s a big lad and not slow. The question is Egan-Riley, he’s not the tallest for a cb and not as quick as Esteve, but he does read the game well and his ability on the ball is probably PL quality. Worth remembering all are still youngish and still have half a season, plus pre season, to develop.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:13 pm
by Yorkshirelad
NottsClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:22 am
Unfortunately, I don't see any reason for him to sign now. Whatever we offer, he can easily get elsewhere as a free agent in the summer. If we miss out on promotion, I'm sure one of the promoted sides would be delighted to take him on a free. If we do go up, then he can sign our deal anyway, if he doesn't get a better one.
We can't grumble, he was benched or sent out on loan for most of the time he's been here.
The lad has played really well for us this year and I hope he signs a new contract but my fear is he won’t. I don’t know if the circumstances were the same but he did it when he was at Man City I think.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:27 pm
by fatboy47
You'd think that if CJ had any intention of extending he'd have done it by now....you can bet we've done our dammnedest to tempt him..
....up to him I guess, but atm he's always one tackle away from a career threatening injury (see Beyer).. if that happens (god forbid) he's only getting paid till May.
If I were his dad I'd be having words with him.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:31 pm
by boatshed bill
fatboy47 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:27 pm
You'd think that if CJ had any intention of extending he'd have done it by now....you can bet we've done our dammnedest to tempt him..
....up to him I guess, but atm he's always one tackle away from a career threatening injury (see Beyer).. if that happens (god forbid) he's only getting paid till May.
If I were his dad I'd be having words with him.
I guess he could be waiting to see which division we will be playing in next season.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:36 pm
by fatboy47
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:31 pm
I guess he could be waiting to see which division we will be playing in next season.
Massive risk, given that he could have a contract that included both scenarios and a sensible release fee clause.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:38 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
Had a Leeds mate txt me saying Esteve is head and shoulders over any defender he’s seen at this level
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:40 pm
by Spijed
I can't see us keeping Esteve, even if we get promoted.
Certainly get a very good fee though.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:43 pm
by boatshed bill
fatboy47 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:36 pm
Massive risk, given that he could have a contract that included both scenarios and a sensible release fee clause.
Also, would it surprise you if his agent has already got him fixed up?
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:45 pm
by RVclaret
Esteve needs to improve his passing if he wants to make it at a top club / internationally, I think. Even last night he tried switching it 5/6 times and 0 found the man. Contract to CJ who zips them across with real venom and accuracy.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:49 pm
by fatboy47
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:43 pm
Also, would it surprise you if his agent has already got him fixed up?
Yep, because he's sure not playing like he's headed elsewhere, and nobody's giving him a 4 year gig if he does an acl next week.
His choice....he'll know what's on offer, for sure though.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:58 pm
by jedi_master
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:45 pm
Esteve needs to improve his passing if he wants to make it at a top club / internationally, I think. Even last night he tried switching it 5/6 times and 0 found the man. Contract to CJ who zips them across with real venom and accuracy.
This was why I posted a 'comparative' thread a month or so ago (not to denigrate one or the other as such). Imagine the player you'd have with Esteves physical attributes and CJ's distribution...
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:00 pm
by colne-claret
I rekon CJ will sign a new contract but it will have an attractive release clause within it.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:17 pm
by burnmark
Reminds me of the time one of their lot was on a fan forum either on Sky or You Tube or the ilk just after the Kompany Promotion season. He declared that we’d not been as good as what the general consensus was and had been quite lucky at times with last minute winners etc. A Millwall fan wiped the floor with him together with getting short shrift from the presenters and other supporters.
Bitter.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:36 pm
by fatboy47
burnmark wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:17 pm
Reminds me of the time one of their lot was on a fan forum either on Sky or You Tube or the ilk just after the Kompany Promotion season. He declared that we’d not been as good as what the general consensus was and had been quite lucky at times with last minute winners etc. A Millwall fan wiped the floor with him together with getting short shrift from the presenters and other supporters.
Bitter.
Right now, clinging to the hope that Burnley fail is the only thing keeping many of them from sticking their heads in the oven.
Re: Esteve and CJER....not all that.
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:18 pm
by BurnleyFC
RVclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:50 pm
In fairness Esteve has already shown he can compete physically with PL strikers. I remember him winning duels against Antonio and Nunez and thinking this lad has got it. What i like about Humphreys is he also has the physicality to match them, he’s a big lad and not slow. The question is Egan-Riley, he’s not the tallest for a cb and not as quick as Esteve, but he does read the game well and his ability on the ball is probably PL quality. Worth remembering all are still youngish and still have half a season, plus pre season, to develop.
In the second half last night Egan-Riley chased one out over our byline which their right winger (might’ve been Solomon) was going for.
He was rapid.