Watching this game , neither team is a threat to our guys , Parkerball or not .

Leicester 1 up. Just listening to the manure fans booing at half time. Now THAT is self entitled fans.

They were better under eleven Hag

Long may they continue to push Ratcliffes money down the khazi.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:53 pm

They were better under eleven Hag

' The good old days ' as I believe that era is now referred to...

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:51 pm

Leicester 1 up. Just listening to the manure fans booing at half time. Now THAT is self entitled fans.

I think when you’ve won as much as they have and spend as much as they have the fans are not necessary entitled but are entitled to expect better from the team ,a slightly different meaning of entitled.

If it stays like this and their last two wins are Spurs away and ManUre away you could still say, “Well they haven’t beaten anybody yet”.

Great clearance off the line from Leicester.

Shoite 1-1

1-1

Well I jinxed that.

Cup shock alert…

Typical, it was never a handball in a million years, yet it won't get a mention

Never a handball and the scorer was offside from the free kick otherwise a perfectly good goal to win it for United.

Goal scored by header from FK awarded for this. His elbow couldn’t be tighter to his body.
Another ref using his ears and not his eyes. There are far too many of them.

That is why VAR is essential

Why is there no VAR?

No VAR in FA Cup as some teams haven’t got all the necessary camera angles

I may be in the minority but after the two penalties against us v Sunderland I stated I was pro VAR.Remain even more so-getting knocked out of the cup in the last minute from a blatant off side goal.Imagine how we would feel if it had been us

He was offside, so what. Football is better without VAR.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:55 pm

That is why VAR is essential

But but there is a linesman and referee. Mind, we have seen how competent these are this season.

It is all about opinions
In my honest opinion I think VAR is essential in all matches in all divisions

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:57 pm

No VAR in FA Cup as some teams haven’t got all the necessary camera angles

Previously (I think) they used it IF the game was being played at a ground that usually used it, but not if it didn't. I guess the idea is now that nobody using it and that's a change then? Don't get me wrong btw, I'm not in favour of it at any ground at any time!!

The ghost of Rocky must have been there, I definitely heard;

Attack!
Attack!
Attack, attack, attack!

on more than one occasion.

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:58 pm

I may be in the minority but after the two penalties against us v Sunderland I stated I was pro VAR.Remain even more so-getting knocked out of the cup in the last minute from a blatant off side goal.Imagine how we would feel if it had been us

It didn't do us any favours with Sander Berge's "handball" at Forest! So as has always been the case it's "swings and roundabouts". Nothing has changed!

I think the commentator said VAR is used from the 5th round onwards. I don't know if that includes lower league sides that make that far drawn at home though.
In this instance, Leicester are probably reasonably happy with a narrow defeat by the linesman rather than another game to distract from a survival push, but if this is the level of unfiltered refereeing then VAR clearly is needed lower down the footballing food chain.
Or abolishing from the top, but that seems less likely.

I’ve always been pro-VAR. Why should professional sportsmen train all week to be robbed by a dodgy call. Nobody complains in cricket, both rugbys or tennis about review but stick in the mud football fans can’t be done with it cos it slows the game down. BIG DEAL. A player takes a lie down every 15 minutes so his mates can trot over to the coach for a team talk.
I’d personally prefer a coaches challenge, as in American football. Two challenges per game, win the challenge you keep it.

The point of VAR is that, if applied correctly, it need take no time at all for offside. The Leicester goal could have been reviewed in 5 seconds to show he was level therefore it's a goal; the United second might have taken 10 seconds just to be sure. The reason offside VAR spoils the game as much as it does is because they take "level" to mean "the width of a toenail" when it was never intended to mean that.

The problem with VAR is that it'll never be agreed upon. As soon as there's a relaxation of the offside then someone'll say that a toenail or a knee is offsidebecause it's not right that a part of the body is in front of the opposition. In other sports it's more black & white. Football is too dynamic. Goal-line technology has worked perfectly and anything related to lines is where it should be used (penalties, corners, throw-ins). The rest is just subjective, unless we say offside is literally any part of the body that isn't in front of the last defender, but sadly it'll never be accepted by everyone, so because of that it should be scrapped in those situations.

Agreed it wasn’t even a free kick. When you see the position of the linesman (who’s only job at that stage is to look down the line) as the ball comes over he’s a clear view that Maguire is offside, it’s a shocking decision. Didn’t he even get a throw in wrong that was right next to him earlier in the game and the referee overruled him.

Just over 1300 Leicester fans there.

£52 a ticket for a Friday night FA Cup game on terrestrial TV. Absolutely disgusting from United.

I think like DRS in cricket VAR is making linesmen lazy ,the number of times in cricket a batter is short by a yard and the ump refers it and the number of the times the linesmen don’t bother flagging when it’s an obvious offside is getting just as bad.

burnmark wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:11 am

Just over 1300 Leicester fans there.

£52 a ticket for a Friday night FA Cup game on terrestrial TV. Absolutely disgusting from United.

Thats the problem with footy fans, some will always suck it up and pay it. Not that Man U would have bothered but a completely empty away end on TV might have sent a bit of a message.

Leicester threw this away by the usual back peddling and slowing down nonsense. Manure are poor and were there for the taking. The sooner they ditch RVN the better chance they have of surviving. Clueless tactics

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:58 pm

I may be in the minority but after the two penalties against us v Sunderland I stated I was pro VAR.Remain even more so-getting knocked out of the cup in the last minute from a blatant off side goal.Imagine how we would feel if it had been us

I would love a fit for purpose VAR. I strongly suspect that had it been used, at least one of the pens v Sunderland would’ve been upheld. Possibly both.

Sadly, the VAR abomination we have now means I am very firmly in the “I’d rather have to deal with incompetent refs making bad decisions” than put up with the incompetence displayed by people who have the ability to watch an incident over and over from many different angles and STILL get it spectacularly wrong.

I’m old school I suppose. I want the game reffed on the pitch by the referee. No ear piece in his ear, not being told what to do by someone watching on a screen in a darkened room somewhere - that’s what’s happening now even where there is no VAR.
How many times do we see the ref walking over to an incident, fingering (oooh err missus) his ear on the slow walk over, only for him to make a decision when he gets there, and then the pundits telling us all what good refereeing it was that he took his time and thought about it before reaching for his cards?. ********. He was listening to instructions from elsewhere.

The only tech that is fit for purpose at the moment is goal line technology. It crossed the line or it didn’t. Leave everything else to the ref and Lino’s.

Stonehouse wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:33 am

I think like DRS in cricket VAR is making linesmen lazy ,the number of times in cricket a batter is short by a yard and the ump refers it and the number of the times the linesmen don’t bother flagging when it’s an obvious offside is getting just as bad.

It’s going to take a career ender on someone like Mo Salah, or Haaland to change the rules. Lino’s are instructed NOT to flag in case it’s wrong and they deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Imagine the fall out if one of the two players I mentioned got seriously injured in a tackle in a phase of play that should’ve been stopped 20 yards back for an obvious offside! Sadly, that’s what it’ll take to get that flag raised like it used to be.
And while I’m at it, get rid of the “interfering with play” nonsense. Off is off, end of.

I'd get rid of offside completely. I can't see the point of it. Make the game more interesting.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:36 am

The point of VAR is that, if applied correctly, it need take no time at all for offside. The Leicester goal could have been reviewed in 5 seconds to show he was level therefore it's a goal; the United second might have taken 10 seconds just to be sure. The reason offside VAR spoils the game as much as it does is because they take "level" to mean "the width of a toenail" when it was never intended to mean that.

But how can VAR ever resolve offsides where players might or might not be interfering with play within a few seconds?

Go back to the second the ball is played forward then anyone in front of the last defender is offside ,it’s a bit unfair if someone isn’t interfering with play but it’s simple and same for everyone ,and as once said then if your not interfering with play then you shouldn’t be on the pitch,and if this was adopted then it can all be computerised.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:10 am

But how can VAR ever resolve offsides where players might or might not be interfering with play within a few seconds?

VAR still photos can assess whether the player is in an offside position, that's all. Whether he is interfering can only done with human judgement in real time, either live or on moving pictures.

I thought we were supposed to be getting semi automated offside technology?

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:54 am

And while I’m at it, get rid of the “interfering with play” nonsense. Off is off, end of.

How many goals would be disallowed if we did that? Our game at Plymouth, for example, would have finished 1-0 because the second, third, fourth and fifth goals were all clearly "offside".

https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=m ... +burnley+5

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:08 pm

It didn't do us any favours with Sander Berge's "handball" at Forest! So as has always been the case it's "swings and roundabouts". Nothing has changed!

And there have been a number of games where we benefitted, where only a camera could have detected a handball or foul. We went on to win one or three points on a number of occasions. Yes there are still many subjective things with VAR.Linesmen for example have absolutely no way of keeping up with some of todays professional footballers and you often see them yards behind play. Last night was inexcusable-the linesmen should be struck off-he was absolutely in line with the 3 United players. VAR would have dismissed it within 10 seconds

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:54 am

And while I’m at it, get rid of the “interfering with play” nonsense. Off is off, end of.

Absolutely, the daftest rule-change ever.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:32 am

How many goals would be disallowed if we did that? Our game at Plymouth, for example, would have finished 1-0 because the second, third, fourth and fifth goals were all clearly "offside".

https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=m ... +burnley+5

Just rewatched the highlights, and I’m struggling to see how the four goals you highlight are offside? Be good to see what you see that I can’t see.

Rick_Muller wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:12 am

Just rewatched the highlights, and I’m struggling to see how the four goals you highlight are offside? Be good to see what you see that I can’t see.

Goal 2, Anthony got to the ball and pulled it back for Flemming. When Flemming hit his shot, Anthony was sitting on the goal line. The others are similar.

The comment about Burnley’s goals against Plymouth from dsr is largely correct.
For the second goal Anthony is in an offside position when the goal is scored, for the third Roberts is in an offside position, for the fifth it is Flemming, there may be some doubt about the fourth goal. No neutral would want those goals disallowed. In fact the 3rd. and 5 th show that any time a player gets to the line an pulls the ball back he is almost certainly going to end up in an off side position.

Even under the old rules players were often deemed to be ‘not interfering’ with play. Just go bak to England’s semifinal win over Portugal. For both goals Hunt was in an offside position when Charlton scored but the referee decided to ignore that. At least now it ismore consistent and not just down to what the referee decides.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:32 am

How many goals would be disallowed if we did that? Our game at Plymouth, for example, would have finished 1-0 because the second, third, fourth and fifth goals were all clearly "offside".

https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=m ... +burnley+5

Quite a few I’d imagine, but not as many as your point seems to suggest. if players know that by hanging around in an offside position, means they’ll be flagged as such like they used to be, then the players you rightly point out as being offside at Plymouth would have known that and worked to get back onside like they used to.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:36 am

The point of VAR is that, if applied correctly, it need take no time at all for offside. The Leicester goal could have been reviewed in 5 seconds to show he was level therefore it's a goal; the United second might have taken 10 seconds just to be sure. The reason offside VAR spoils the game as much as it does is because they take "level" to mean "the width of a toenail" when it was never intended to mean that.

Spot on.

The concept of "level" has been scrubbed entirely.

The daftest thing is that the TV cameras do not have the required definition to accurately judge these toenail decisions.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:12 am

Quite a few I’d imagine, but not as many as your point seems to suggest. if players know that by hanging around in an offside position, means they’ll be flagged as such like they used to be, then the players you rightly point out as being offside at Plymouth would have known that and worked to get back onside like they used to.

So Anthony, instead of letting his momentum carry him forward so he slid almost off the pitch, would move himself 10 yards back up the pitch in the time it took the ball to reach Flemming? I can't see it. You're right that we might have had a chance with goal 3, but goals 2, 4 and 5 would have definitely been disallowed because (for 2 and 4) the player who pulled it back was running (or sliding) forward and could never have got back, and for goal 5, Flemming who challenged the goalkeeper could not possibly have moved faster than the ball before Cullen hit it.

Do you genuinely believe that the game would be better if the winger driving to the goalline and pulling the ball back was effectively outlawed?