Our appalling efforts at it are at best embarrassing.

Why do refs only book players for time wasting in the last 5 minutes when it happens all game. Especially goalkeepers taking so long.

Why? How would you do it?

Got us into Europe though once

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:54 pm

Why? How would you do it?

I wouldn’t against Cardiff. We’re better than that.

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:53 pm

Our appalling efforts at it are at best embarrassing.

I think it was top quality time wasting, especially drawing the ref into stopping the game to book you just as you’re about the restart, wasting more time!

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:57 pm

I wouldn’t against Cardiff. We’re better than that.

You wouldn’t waste time if you’re one goal up in the last few minutes? Have you ever seen a football match before?

Why do they only book Burnley players been much more time wasted at Turf Moor by opponents who have gone unpunished

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:53 pm

Our appalling efforts at it are at best embarrassing.

I thought it was fantastic.

Can’t moan about winning, so let’s moan about how we time waste

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:53 pm

Our appalling efforts at it are at best embarrassing.

Totally agree. We need to be a bit more subtle so we can waste even more time and kill the clock.

Some proper nutters on here. Anyone would think they didn't watch football

it was an odd performance from us tbh, in complete control, should have had a pen and could have conceded 4. Take the win, on to the next one

Was it that bad really, I don’t think either player deserved to be booked. Yet Linnington looks at Edwards getting dropped in the box, allows Cardiff players to foul our players on numerous occasions and doesn’t book them. I agree we didn’t need to do it but it was also down to an appalling man in the middle.

It annoys me that we had three bookings for time wasting in the last 10 mins, but then sides like Derby can rock up to the turf and waste time from the first minute without any recriminations

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:53 am

It annoys me that we had three bookings for time wasting in the last 10 mins, but then sides like Derby can rock up to the turf and waste time from the first minute without any recriminations

Absolutely infuriating. And I’m not sure where he’d got the five minutes from in the first place. Time wasting only seems to count in the last five minutes of a game these days.

Time wasting should be seen as cheating the supporters out of what they have paid good money to watch.

winsomeyen wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:58 am

Time wasting should be seen as cheating the supporters out of what they have paid good money to watch.

It's called game management and calling it 'cheating the supporters', give over! It's not something new and most, if not all, teams do it to one degree or another.

winsomeyen wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:58 am

Time wasting should be seen as cheating the supporters out of what they have paid good money to watch.

Timewasting has gone on for all the many, many years that I have been watching football.

Until more recent years there was no added on time either!

It really annoys me. I don't like it when other teams do it to us. I am not that hypocritical to think it is ok for us to time waste against other teams either.

It is not game management-it is cheating.

Fans who pay a lot of money are cheated out of watching 90 minutes of football due to the constant time wasting throughout the game. We are being ripped off. It is not acceptable by any team, including Burnley.

Really wish they would just stop the clock every time the ball goes out of play, even if it meant reducing the game to 80 mins.

It is bloody boring watching teams waste time, including when we do it, although we seem to be the only team that gets routinely punished with yellow cards for it.

Opposition teams don’t get bookings for wasting time against us because they don’t do it as they are usually losing.

TPClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:07 pm

Can’t moan about winning, so let’s moan about how we time waste

Must be grim, though. Just imagine going through your entire life only looking for negatives.

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:56 am

Really wish they would just stop the clock every time the ball goes out of play, even if it meant reducing the game to 80 mins.

I think you'd need to reduce games to around 50-60 minutes if you did that. I do actually like the idea, but it would be a bit chaotic for finishing times. So probably a non-starter for TV companies.

Sarmento's booking was not justified. Trafford's was yet again stupid. Is that 8 now? He's risking a 2 game ban at a crucial time.

Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:48 am

It is not game management-it is cheating.

Trouble is, there’s nothing in the rules of the game that defines how long a restart should take only that a player can be booked if it is ‘excessive’. The only stipulation of time is the ‘six second rule’ for keepers with the ball in their hands (and when was the last time you saw a keeper penalised for that). So it’s very difficult to say players are cheating as the rules are subjective.

I think the ball is in play for less than an hour a game on average. The only reason I can see for games not being timed independently, with the clock stopped when the ball is not in play, is that TV companies would lose some certainty as to when breaks will occur. Two halves of 30 minutes, with the ball in play at all times and the stop clock clearly visible would improve the current lottery. Apparently there is concern that games might go on for too long but I suspect that what would happen is that refs would stop running 50 yards to have a chat with a player who has sat down, allow him time to get up, walk back into position and restart the game etc etc. At Preston, it might have been Brady’s substitution, the sub was ready to come on but Brady just sat down and the ref stopped the game. The Preston players had a drinks break and then Brady walked off and the sub who had been ready for at least 3 minutes came on. This is just the latest example from this season but can be seen in every game. We have never been subtle about it but Pope when he was here and Trafford now both have incredibly slow natural routines before every goal kick anyway so they don’t have to do too much to attract attention. Stopping the flow of a game to break the opposition’s rhythm is part of the game but a decent referee should keep the game flowing and prevent abuse. It’s just a pity they are few and far between.

What’s the current rule (time allowed) from when the keeper gets hold of the ball and releases it.

beddie wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:00 pm

What’s the current rule (time allowed) from when the keeper gets hold of the ball and releases it.

Still 6 seconds. It’s probably the most cut and dry of all the football laws as it isn’t open to any interpretation annd therefore it’s the easiest to enforce but it never is.

How can you trust any referee’s competence when they can’t apply the simplest law there is?

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:34 pm

Still 6 seconds. It’s probably the most cut and dry of all the football laws as it isn’t open to any interpretation annd therefore it’s the easiest to enforce but it never is.

How can you trust any referee’s competence when they can’t apply the simplest law there is?

I’ve never understood why the crowd don’t start counting in unison whenever a keeper picks up the ball, give the ref a nudge.

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:34 pm

Still 6 seconds. It’s probably the most cut and dry of all the football laws as it isn’t open to any interpretation annd therefore it’s the easiest to enforce but it never is.

How can you trust any referee’s competence when they can’t apply the simplest law there is?

Not 100% sure but I thought the 6 second rule got scrapped a few years back

Regarding players getting booked, that doesn’t really help the opposing team. It would be better if they got the advantage ie they get the throw in, or goal kicks change to corners.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:48 pm

I’ve never understood why the crowd don’t start counting in unison whenever a keeper picks up the ball, give the ref a nudge.

Thought this myself many times Martin, Ive heard other fans count.

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:14 am

Trafford's was yet again stupid. Is that 8 now? He's risking a 2 game ban at a crucial time.

Exactly. And I didn’t realise he has 8 (or so) bookings. All he has to do is leather the ball upfield if we want to waste time.

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:14 am

Sarmento's booking was not justified. Trafford's was yet again stupid. Is that 8 now? He's risking a 2 game ban at a crucial time.

It’s 7 and he’s risking nothing in terms of a ban. The two game ban comes in if you receive 10 yellows in the first 32 games and we’ve already played 35. For a three game ban you have to hit 15 yellows in 38 games.

Whatever happened last night with the time wasting you have to ask why cards were not shown for fouls when they were clear yellow card offences yet he starts waving them around like there’s no tomorrow in stoppage time.

Shappie wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:02 pm

Not 100% sure but I thought the 6 second rule got scrapped a few years back

You’d think so given the length of time keepers hold onto the ball without the ref blowing for an indirect free kick, but I’ve checked and the rule is still there in the latest published ‘Laws of the game’.

That rule is ignored. The new rule comes in this summer. It's up to 8 seconds, but instead of a free kick it will be a corner given. They want it strictly enforcing, though in trials it's only resulted in a corner being given 4 times. Much the same though has been said of the new rule. It will be a big deal in August, but by the following August refs will likely have forgotten all about it.

The corner 'penalty' will result in even more time wasting against us, as we useless from corners. Great tactic against the Clarets

Parker should have nipped Trafford’s time wasting antics in the bud some time ago
I can see him picking up a ban and missing crucial matches
Just imagine if he ended up having to sit out a playoff game that went to a penalty shootout.
I’m afraid our 2nd choice doesn’t fill me with confidence

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 2:29 pm

Parker should have nipped Trafford’s time wasting antics in the bud some time ago
I can see him picking up a ban and missing crucial matches
Just imagine if he ended up having to sit out a playoff game that went to a penalty shootout.
I’m afraid our 2nd choice doesn’t fill me with confidence

He’s nowhere near a ban. I’m pretty sure he’s be encouraged to do it by Parker anyway, it’s part of running down the clock.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 2:29 pm

Parker should have nipped Trafford’s time wasting antics in the bud some time ago
I can see him picking up a ban and missing crucial matches
Just imagine if he ended up having to sit out a playoff game that went to a penalty shootout.
I’m afraid our 2nd choice doesn’t fill me with confidence

Assuming he didn’t get a red he’d need to be booked in 9 more games to get a ban.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 2:29 pm

Parker should have nipped Trafford’s time wasting antics in the bud some time ago
I can see him picking up a ban and missing crucial matches
Just imagine if he ended up having to sit out a playoff game that went to a penalty shootout.
I’m afraid our 2nd choice doesn’t fill me with confidence

I’ve posted above, unless he gets sent off in a game he cannot pick up a ban this season.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 2:38 pm

Assuming he didn’t get a red he’d need to be booked in 9 more games to get a ban.

Actually scrap that, even that wouldn’t get a ban.

Time wasting is something that appears to be getting worse and worse. The last Euros showed how obscene the problem is when they began adding on a true reflection of wasted time - 10, 15 minutes became normal. The time wasting tactics duly diminished.

The FA enforced a 'clampdown' and kept it going ... for a week or two. Then they quietly dropped it entirely, with predictable results.

Unless the FA has the stomach to ignore malingering players, the only way to deal with it is to bring in off the pitch time keeping and stop watches.

It won't stop the game being deliberately broken up to prevent sides gaining momentum and it will make the end time of games ludicrously difficult to predict.

But is there any alternative?

Shappie wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:02 pm

Not 100% sure but I thought the 6 second rule got scrapped a few years back

Nah, still there; Law 12.

They’re changing it to 8 seconds so keepers will be able to hold on to the ball for 40 seconds from next season.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:22 am

Trouble is, there’s nothing in the rules of the game that defines how long a restart should take only that a player can be booked if it is ‘excessive’. The only stipulation of time is the ‘six second rule’ for keepers with the ball in their hands (and when was the last time you saw a keeper penalised for that). So it’s very difficult to say players are cheating as the rules are subjective.

The 6 second rule isn't subjective. How can it be?

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 3:21 pm

The 6 second rule isn't subjective. How can it be?

But if referees told the keepers before the game they will be timed for 6 seconds as soon as they handle the ball wouldnt that help the game. The refs only need to use their quick stop watch on their alternative wrist and away we go, plus even If the ref makes a gesture with one hand towards his stop watch but doesn’t actually set it off some keepers will assume he has and get on with kicking it.

I mean it worked so i'm not sure you could describe it as appalling.

Embarrassing, I would agree with you to a certain extent.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 3:21 pm

The 6 second rule isn't subjective. How can it be?

It shouldn't be but as Martin and other posters mention when was the last time you can remember a keeper being punished for holding onto the ball for longer than 6 seconds?

What is subjective and seems to change game by game, ref by ref is how long players take for a goal kick, free kick or throw in etc.

beddie wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 05, 2025 3:37 pm

But if referees told the keepers before the game they will be timed for 6 seconds as soon as they handle the ball wouldnt that help the game. The refs only need to use their quick stop watch on their alternative wrist and away we go, plus even If the ref makes a gesture with one hand towards his stop watch but doesn’t actually set it off some keepers will assume he has and get on with kicking it.

We're in agreement, I think. If the law/ rule about 6 seconds is still legitimate then it cannot be considered as subjective.

Time wasting is part and parcel of the modern game.

Sean O’Driscoll had it down to an art. Recall a game at Doncaster where Neil Sullivan would blast a free kick down the pitch only to be made to retake it as he’d taken it about 30 yards from where it should have been taken from. I’m sure he instructed his players to be caught offside late in a game just to stop the game from flowing.

I don’t see the point in booking a goalkeeper, just add the time on. Have we ever seen a keeper receive a 2nd yellow for time wasting?

Used to run a vets team in the Manchester League playing against young teams, we would get a lead in the first half and then play the second at a snails pace, always worked and our players rarely were booked for time wasting. If we were about to sub a player he would be instructed to go and play for a couple of minutes as far away as possible from the dugout and then stroll off.