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Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:50 pm
by Vegas Claret
Gavin Ward once again proving to be an absolutely horrific ref. Hopefully we appeal the CJ red, just looked like a trip and certainly not violent which is what he was sent off for.
Parker sent off for no doubt telling Ward he was an absolute dick all night
Crap night
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:52 pm
by Vegas Claret
and I'll add, Parkers last few subs were horrific
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:55 pm
by ElectroClaret
Really crap night, yeah.
Only bright spot was Bristol pegging the Blades back to 1-1 FT.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:56 pm
by Vegas Claret
lets hope we can get that over turned because Steve and Worral at PNE were dreadful
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:56 pm
by Vegas Claret
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:55 pm
Really crap night, yeah.
Only bright spot was Bristol pegging the Blades back to 1-1 FT.
hadn't seen that, that helps
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:56 pm
by jedi_master
Assuming CJ is out for three games - it’s Worrall having to play that concerns me. He needs to step up.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:59 pm
by MDWat
Never a red card in a month of Sunday’s. Surely gets overturned.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:02 pm
by RVclaret
Reading Sheff U fans reactions to their performance and seems they were very poor tonight, they don’t seem to be looking forward to the derby.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:02 pm
by Vegas Claret
MDWat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:59 pm
Never a red card in a month of Sunday’s. Surely gets overturned.
you concur it was just a trip ? I've only seen it once
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:03 pm
by summitclaret
Absolute joke of a red. Get that appeal in.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:04 pm
by MDWat
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:02 pm
you concur it was just a trip ? I've only seen it once
Looked like nothing to me
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:05 pm
by Stonehouse
MDWat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:59 pm
Never a red card in a month of Sunday’s. Surely gets overturned.
No way will that be overturned,it’s classed as retaliation so a straight red.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:07 pm
by Burnley1989
Played a side in the top 6, played fairly well, certainly weren't bad tonight, first 20 wasn't great but we got back into it.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:08 pm
by billyhamilton82
good side
good game
good point
sorry missed out...very poor ref
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:08 pm
by Beagle
Stonehouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:05 pm
No way will that be overturned,it’s classed as retaliation so a straight red.
Where’s that in the laws of the game?
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:09 pm
by billyhamilton82
Beagle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:08 pm
Where’s that in the laws of the game?
it isn't
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:09 pm
by Claretforever
No way I’m having that’s a red card. Surely that gets overturned on appeal? I can understand a booking at best but he wasn’t violent at all.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:10 pm
by TsarBomba
Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:07 pm
Played a side in the top 6, played fairly well, certainly weren't bad tonight, first 20 wasn't great but we got back into it.
First 20 was very poor, we started like we thought we could just turn up and go through the motions.
It certainly wasn’t a performance to suggest our foot was flat to the floor, far from it.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:10 pm
by warksclaret
Is it not a 4 game ban if we lose the appeal. The commentator was right-our discipline at the end was very poor. Could prove costly for our club
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:11 pm
by Vegas Claret
Stonehouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:05 pm
No way will that be overturned,it’s classed as retaliation so a straight red.
He was sent off for violent conduct - is a trip violent conduct ? I don't know, just asking btw
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:11 pm
by dvalley69
TBF, it was stupid from CJ and no need to follow him. But it's his 1st mistake all season, albeit a potentially very costly one.
Very poor tonight and not one to criticise SP but agree with Vegas in that the subs and the way we tried to change the game was poor. WBA had sussed us out; it needed something different to win it and we didn't deserve anything other than a draw.
Thankfully, Sheff U stumbled and we're still as we were. A good win at Swansea and put the pressure on Sheff U in what is an important match for both sides of Sheffield on Sunday.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:13 pm
by Andreshotboots
Never a red but does anybody really think the way the refs club works that the powers that be will go against him and overturn it?
I'd say there's more chance of Tresor starting at centre half on Saturday than that happening...
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:13 pm
by FCBurnley
Could be injuries for Foster Esteve on top of ludicrous red
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:15 pm
by Vegas Claret
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:13 pm
Never a red but does anybody really think the way the refs club works that the powers that be will go against him and overturn it?
I'd say there's more chance of Tresor starting at centre half on Saturday than that happening...
appeals go to a panel with some ex pro's on it I think. I doubt you'll find anyone who's played the game thinking that it was worthy of a red
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:17 pm
by Spijed
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:10 pm
Is it not a 4 game ban if we lose the appeal. The commentator was right-our discipline at the end was very poor. Could prove costly for our club
I think that's only when clubs appeal when pretty pointless to do so
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:20 pm
by jojomk1
Always the ref's fault
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:24 pm
by Vegas Claret
jojomk1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:20 pm
Always the ref's fault
if you don't know about Gavin Ward and his well earned reputation then you probably don't watch many games other than ours. He regularly gets supporters singing "Gavin Ward it's all about you" sung to him
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:26 pm
by RickyBobby
So a yellow card challenge half a second after the final whistle is a red card? They make the rules up as they go along. Clearly CJ didn‘t hear the whistle. It is a yellow card trip. See it every game all the time. A trip to stop an attack. Yellow card. I have no idea what the rules are anymore. It changes literally from second to second. The inconsistently in decision is astounding.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:26 pm
by Andreshotboots
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:15 pm
appeals go to a panel with some ex pro's on it I think. I doubt you'll find anyone who's played the game thinking that it was worthy of a red
I'd agree but is it a red when a player puts his head gently into another player's but they're given. ER has gone after him and kicked/tripped him..it was an act of frustration from a young man who's been fabulous, but I think it will stand..
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:29 pm
by Vegas Claret
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:33 pm
by Taffy on the wing
jedi_master wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:56 pm
Assuming CJ is out for three games - it’s Worrall having to play that concerns me. He needs to step up.
If he does ....he'll do it very s_l_o_w_l_y
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:33 pm
by Row Z
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:26 pm
I'd agree but is it a red when a player puts his head gently into another player's but they're given. ER has gone after him and kicked/tripped him..it was an act of frustration from a young man who's been fabulous, but I think it will stand..
Lewis-Skelly’s got overturned and that was a trip?
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:35 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Stonehouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:05 pm
No way will that be overturned,it’s classed as retaliation so a straight red.
I thought he tripped him due to being clear on goal but too far out for a red, not hearing the whistle. The whistle had gone so red card cannot be given if not violent.
At least, that’s what I would put in the appeal
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:38 pm
by Vegas Claret
Row Z wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:33 pm
Lewis-Skelly’s got overturned and that was a trip?
it was way worse
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K-BygnoIGLc
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:44 pm
by Stonehouse
Could have been worse but Blades drew and Scousers out of Europe .
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:45 pm
by dvalley69
RickyBobby wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:26 pm
So a yellow card challenge half a second after the final whistle is a red card? They make the rules up as they go along. Clearly CJ didn‘t hear the whistle. It is a yellow card trip. See it every game all the time. A trip to stop an attack. Yellow card. I have no idea what the rules are anymore. It changes literally from second to second. The inconsistently in decision is astounding.
The player was clean through, which would be a red coz he's gonna eventually deny a goalscoring opportunity. Regardless if he heard the final whistle or not he went after him to stop him, and that's probably what's done it to him.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:47 pm
by boyyanno
Personally felt it was a red card. The narrative around what is considered violent conduct is below:
"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made."
There's two ways to view this imo, either he made a cynical tackle/didn’t know the whistle had gone, or its a young lad who has lost control and is "kicking out". If you look at his reaction as soon as he does it then I think it's the second.
For me that would constitute using excessive force when not challenging for the ball which is a red card according to the rules. Appreciate some may disagree.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:47 pm
by StuWestMidsClaret
He wasn't even the last man......
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:48 pm
by dermotdermot
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:13 pm
Could be injuries for Foster Esteve on top of ludicrous red
Esteve's knock on the head surely won't keep him out but Foster just might miss the next nine games. If he does we might just make it over the line.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:48 pm
by LincsWoldsClaret
We should just come out and say that we will not accept Ward as an official at any future games.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:49 pm
by Stonehouse
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:49 pm
by Wile E Coyote
its going to be a hard pill to swallow if we end up with baggies in play off and lose out.
20 points ahead almost, but that wasnt evident tonight.
back in 09, we finished 5th to sheff utd's 3rd and came out on top, but the gulf in points wasnt anything like as bad.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:50 pm
by StuWestMidsClaret
Stonehouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:49 pm
The game was over.
I was replying to dvalley69...
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:50 pm
by dvalley69
Yeah, looking at it again there was another player there. But I think Boyanno has highlighted it well - CJER certainly goes looking to cause harm and that's why it's a red. And his reaction afterwards kind of says that, too.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:50 pm
by Stonehouse
dermotdermot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:48 pm
Esteve's knock on the head surely won't keep him out but Foster just might miss the next nine games. If he does we might just make it over the line.
What when Flemming’s not allowed to play against Millwall?
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:55 pm
by Spijed
boyyanno wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:47 pm
Personally felt it was a red card. The narrative around what is considered violent conduct is below:
"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made."
There's two ways to view this imo, either he made a cynical tackle/didn’t know the whistle had gone, or its a young lad who has lost control and is "kicking out". If you look at his reaction as soon as he does it then I think it's the second.
For me that would constitute using excessive force when not challenging for the ball which is a red card according to the rules. Appreciate some may disagree.
When you see highlights of the Sheffield United game amazing how no one was sent off in that game
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:55 pm
by Stonehouse
How many times does a guy commit a foul but the opponent retaliates the fouler gets a yellow ,retaliating gets a red.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:56 pm
by dermotdermot
Stonehouse wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:50 pm
What when Flemming’s not allowed to play against Millwall?
Ashley Barnes will fill the slot. A far better option.
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:57 pm
by BigGaz
dvalley69 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:11 pm
TBF, it was stupid from CJ and no need to follow him. But it's his 1st mistake all season, albeit a potentially very costly one.
Very poor tonight and not one to criticise SP but agree with Vegas in that the subs and the way we tried to change the game was poor. WBA had sussed us out; it needed something different to win it and we didn't deserve anything other than a draw.
Thankfully, Sheff U stumbled and we're still as we were. A good win at Swansea and put the pressure on Sheff U in what is an important match for both sides of Sheffield on Sunday.
What would you have done differently?
Re: Dropped points and 2 red cards
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:59 pm
by FCBurnley
Surprised that nobody has mentioned Swift moving the free kick back two yards so effectively making it a 12 yard wall. Of course the ref didn’t spot it. Even birdie saw it before he scored
