Tuchel & the England Squad

[Rowls]

Interesting to hear him talk about the physicality of English football and how it sets us apart from other leagues Tuchel has experience of.

He's talking of plpaying to our strengths in a literal way.

Really hope he finds success with England but it'll be nice also if the football is enjoyable to watch.

[jrgbfc]

Some very strange choices. Henderson in ahead of Gallacher and Adam Wharton. Kyle Walker as well looked absolutely shot playing for City this season.

[ecc]

Gallagher looked strong for Atletico midweek. He fits into Simeone's defensive philosophy. Also popped up to score their early (28 seconds) goal.

[Colburn_Claret]

Delighted for Traff, obviously, and I think he deserves it, but that is such a weird squad. So many has beens selected, so many fresh talented players ignored.
The irony is it's Albania and Latvia, we'll win them both and he'll be regarded as a genius.
It's a massive, negative step backwards for England fc.

[beddie]

Delighted for Traff, obviously, and I think he deserves it, but that is such a weird squad. So many has beens selected, so many fresh talented players ignored.
The irony is it's Albania and Latvia, we'll win them both and he'll be regarded as a genius.


It's a massive, negative step backwards for England fc.

Can we give the guy a chance please before we start to criticise him and his selection.

[The Shire Claret]

Every 2 years we have a chance to win a tournament along with about 6 teams in the Euro's and about 10 teams in the World Cup

I never get the mentality that we 'should be winning things'

so should all the other teams with great players but only one can win in every 2 years

I enjoy watching England but the expectation and the 'We have the divine right to win things' mentality , does my head in

I hope he does fantastic but he has as much chance as all other top managers with the squad we have against the other brilliant squads...

[morninbob]

CJ called up to the u21s.

[warksclaret]

Tuchel starts with a clean sheet of paper-he has brought in some deserving cases ie Burn. The one that really puzzles me is Henderson who I saw at Leicester at least two seasons ago and he was well past it in everything he did. A great midfielder in his day and leader-but ahead of Gibbs White ?????

[IanMcL]

Aah. I thought it was Henderson the goalkeeper!

[Stonehouse]

Every 2 years we have a chance to win a tournament along with about 6 teams in the Euro's and about 10 teams in the World Cup

I never get the mentality that we 'should be winning things'

so should all the other teams with great players but only one can win in every 2 years

I enjoy watching England but the expectation and the 'We have the divine right to win things' mentality , does my head in

I hope he does fantastic but he has as much chance as all other top managers with the squad we have against the other brilliant squads...

If you go through the Premier League squads you’ll be lucky to find more than 3 players for each position ,

[whiffa]

Can we give the guy a chance please before we start to criticise him and his selection.

Personally he's the first England manager I've been optimistic about since Sven. I think he'll be great for England.

[Goliath]

It's an interesting one, there's always a clamour for young players etc. But we know how important experience can be. Maybe bringing In a few experienced pros will help getting them behind the scenes.

[warksclaret]

Aah. I thought it was Henderson the goalkeeper!

They both feature including Jordan

[Vegas Claret]

list here:
England squad in full
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Southampton), James Trafford (Burnley).

Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle United), Levi Colwill (Chelsea), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Reece James (Chelsea), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Tino Livramento (Newcastle United), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool), Kyle Walker (AC Milan, loan from Manchester City).

Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Jordan Henderson (Ajax), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa).

Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Marcus Rashford (Aston Villa, loan from Manchester United), Dominic Solanke (Tottenham Hotspur).

[bumba]

Very strange and boring squad

[The Shire Claret]

Very strange and boring squad

who would make it 'not' boring ?

[Pickles]

Find it hard to get excited about any England squad. Would rather Burnley win a throw-in than England win a World Cup.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Find it hard to get excited about any England squad. Would rather Burnley win a throw-in than England win a World Cup.

Only because you found one

[Enola Gay]

Saw this posted earlier about young players, and it’s an interesting point; Tuchel signed an 18-month contract which only takes him to next summer.

He’s not there to bring through the next generation, he’s there ti win a trophy with this one.

[Spijed]

Saw this posted earlier about young players, and it’s an interesting point; Tuchel signed an 18-month contract which only takes him to next summer.

He’s not there to bring through the next generation, he’s there ti win a trophy with this one.

And that's the point. No-one will care how old the squad is, or whether they play rubbish football if England win a major trophy.

Both Italy and Germany have turned pragmatic football into an art form. And it works time and again for them.

[NottsClaret]

I for one am excited about seeing a 36 year old Jordan Henderson bossing our midfield in 95°C heat in Texas or somewhere at the 2026 World Cup.

You all need to get on board.

[bumba]

who would make it 'not' boring ?

Gibbs-White and Hudson-Odoi should both be in the squad, Gittens is doing well at Dortmund.
Why no Tomori?
Mitchell or Chilwell should be in over Walker.
Is Henderson really worthy of an England place? We won't win a world cup next summer with him in the side.
Madueke did well last time out.
Solanke over Watkins, really?
Elliot Anderson has had a good season.

[Colburn_Claret]

Gibbs-White and Hudson-Odoi should both be in the squad, Gittens is doing well at Dortmund.
Why no Tomori?
Mitchell or Chilwell should be in over Walker.
Is Henderson really worthy of an England place? We won't win a world cup next summer with him in the side.
Madueke did well last time out.
Solanke over Watkins, really?
Elliot Anderson has had a good season.

Gomes from Lille was excellent in the Euros. He picked up an injury but is back playing again.
Henderson and Walker are both past their sell by date. I'm all for experience, but what do Pickford and Declan Rice offer if not experience, both have been around the scene for years.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[TheFamilyCat]

I for one am excited about seeing a 36 year old Jordan Henderson bossing our midfield in 95°C heat in Texas or somewhere at the 2026 World Cup.

You all need to get on board.

I hope he'll still be on the squad to defend the LGBTQ community at the Saudi world cup.

[bumba]

Gomes from Lille was excellent in the Euros. He picked up an injury but is back playing again.
Henderson and Walker are both past their sell by date. I'm all for experience, but what do Pickford and Declan Rice offer if not experience, both have been around the scene for years.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Gomes I forgot about him he's another one that could have been included over Henderson.
Wharton should be given an opportunity.
We've loads of young players knocking about and a lot better options than Jordan Henderson.
Pickford and Rice should 100% be in the squad imo

[dougcollins]

More physical and more direct.

Should have put Heginbotham in charge.

[jrgbfc]

Saw this posted earlier about young players, and it’s an interesting point; Tuchel signed an 18-month contract which only takes him to next summer.

He’s not there to bring through the next generation, he’s there ti win a trophy with this one.

Must admit thats what i thought. Give a manager an 18 month contract and you can't expect him to think long term.

[equinox]

He won't even make it to the World Cup, just watch the media absolutely rip him to pieces.

[Rileybobs]

Can't really see anything too controversial. Henderson and Rashford are the anomalies. Perhaps he's taking a look to see if Henderson still has anything to give, and obviously wants to give Rashford the clean slate that he has been given at club level.

[dougcollins]

I wouldn't be unhappy with Rashford, quality player.

[Ampth7]

Seems a strong squad to me to be fair. Henderson has obviously been brought in as an experienced head in a relatively young squad although Gallagher can certainly feel hard done by given his fine form for Atletico.

I also think Branthwaite deserves a chance ahead of Quansah although whether either will/would get a run out is up for debate.

Fantastic for Traff - he is destined to be England no 1 in the coming years it would seem.

[pauliopaulio]

We saw first hand last year the result of having a squad of talented youth players and limited numbers of old-hands to guide them.

If Henderson starts then I’ll be surprised and wrong but I view his selection in the same way as us signing Barnes - showing the future stars what it means to be an England/(Burnley) players.

In terms of the 18 month contract/short term view - I don’t care tbh. Win the World Cup is the only goal for me. The talent of future players is completely independent of the national team. so if the next incarnation of Pele is English it’s not going to do him much harm waiting a year and half to make his debut so what?

[Wile E Coyote]

unless you are a fan of lower league dross, you wont be shelling out on foreign trips.60 years since the one and only trophy.
meanwhile smaller european nations pick up silverware, on a global stage, we are nonentities.
conveyor belt of dud manager, captains, squads, all won nothing.
Italy, france , spain etc all glorying in recent victories, but england are reliant on black and white footage from 1966

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I for one am excited about seeing a 36 year old Jordan Henderson bossing our midfield in 95°C heat in Texas or somewhere at the 2026 World Cup.

You all need to get on board.

I mean to be fair I don’t live far away but even by our standards that’s pretty effing hot

[bumba]

This U21 squad is frighteningly good, definitely some players in there who should have been given a chance ready for the next world cup

[ArmchairDetective]

I haven't watched enough of the players in the squad to comment too much, but I find it strange that Henderson is back in ahead of Wharton. Only reason I can think is that he is an important influence in the dressing room.

It's great we have so many options that we can complain when some are left out.

Delighted for Trafford and CJ.

[Darnhill Claret]

Branthwaite, Rico Lewis, Wharton and Nwaneri will all be starters in the Under 21's and therefore will have more game time to be judged on, than if they were squad players in the first team.

[ecc]

Is he not experimenting?

[ecc]

On Charlie Cresswell, ex-DL.

Saw him play for Toulouse away to Auxerre a few weeks back. He's solid but isn't the quickest. Toulouse play with three at the back with Cresswell in the middle. The other defenders are faster than him. He's certainly slower than CJER.

[bumba]

On Charlie Cresswell, ex-DL.

Saw him play for Toulouse away to Auxerre a few weeks back. He's solid but isn't the quickest. Toulouse play with three at the back with Cresswell in the middle. The other defenders are faster than him. He's certainly slower than CJER.

I don't think CJER is classed as slow to be honest, if we can keep Esteve next year I'd like to see three at the back for us with Esteve, CJER, Beyer as the three or even Humphreys in there is an option

[ecc]

I don't think CJER is classed as slow to be honest, if we can keep Esteve next year I'd like to see three at the back for us with Esteve, CJER, Beyer as the three or even Humphreys in there is an option

I wasn't implying CJER is slow. On the contrary, I doubt whether there are any quicker CBs in the division. However, there are in the PL.

[bumba]

I wasn't implying CJER is slow. On the contrary, I doubt whether there are any quicker CBs in the division. However, there are in the PL.

There's one even quicker at our club
Sorry couldn't resist stating the obvious, no offence

[ecc]

Estève? Not sure about that.

[Ampth7]

unless you are a fan of lower league dross, you wont be shelling out on foreign trips.60 years since the one and only trophy.
meanwhile smaller european nations pick up silverware, on a global stage, we are nonentities.
conveyor belt of dud manager, captains, squads, all won nothing.
Italy, france , spain etc all glorying in recent victories, but england are reliant on black and white footage from 1966

No doubt England’s national team has flattered to deceive or just been outright bad! However, I think it’s fair to say we have been competitive on the world stage for the past 10 years under Southgate’s leadership although I thought we were a poor show at the last Euro’s despite somehow getting to the final.

Getting over the line in a major tournament is bloody hard though and I think we really missed our chance against Italy whereas Spain were much the better side in the last final.

I also think that we have lost our identity a bit too much with trying to be more like Spain in the way we play. I think our players are much more suited to a more aggressive and direct style of play that brings the best out of our physicality alongside our more skilful players in attack.

I suspect Tuchel’s squad selection suggests he may feel the same way and here’s hoping we can finally get this monkey of our back by winning the World Cup.

[Rowls]

BBC are reporting Tuchel wants an "emotional and hungry team."

This is a complete revolution from what Southgate used to prioritize.

[Vegas Claret]

They've posted some really good stuff over the last few days, Dan Burns story is pretty bonkers. Lewis-Kelley will make you feel old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fDPK9pD98Y

[TheFamilyCat]

BBC are reporting Tuchel wants an "emotional and hungry team."

This is a complete revolution from what Southgate used to prioritize.

Buzzwords. What does that actually mean?

[bobinho]

I wouldn't be unhappy with Rashford, quality player.

I’d be more than happy with the rashford that broke thru at Utd… he was first class.
I’d be very UNHAPPY with the 3 or 4 other versions of Rashford that I’ve seen since.

[Rowls]

Buzzwords. What does that actually mean?

These things are keystones in how his England side are going to play.

Southgate spoke about football like it was a game of chess and his side played as it really were.

Stan spoke about passion, commitment, fitness, will-to-win and his sides (largely) embodied these virtues. They got their ears bashed when they didn't.

Coyle spoke about flair, attacking and going toe-to-toe with teams - his side played like they were a cavalry charge.

These are not mere "buzzwords". They give us clues as to what might happen.

[TheFamilyCat]

These things are keystones in how his England side are going to play.

Southgate spoke about football like it was a game of chess and his side played as it really were.

Stan spoke about passion, commitment, fitness, will-to-win and his sides (largely) embodied these virtues. They got their ears bashed when they didn't.

Coyle spoke about flair, attacking and going toe-to-toe with teams - his side played like they were a cavalry charge.

These are not mere "buzzwords". They give us clues as to what might happen.

Ignoring the irrelevance of the Stan and Coyle comparisons, how do emotion and hunger act as keystones? And what clues do they give? Do you even know which emotions to expect?