Hi everyone,

Not everyone’s cup of tea (Talksport), and I’ll likely only listen back if anyone catches any worthwhile nuggets, but Dyche is on the radio from 12-2 today. Might be worth a listen.

Isn’t he going to be co-host every Sunday from 12-2.

Hosting a show on Talkshite sounds like a terrible way to get back into top flight football.

Unless he’s decided going into the media is a good way to see him through to retirement without the stress that comes with football management.

He loves a few beers and going to gigs.

Same old stuff.

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:56 pm

He loves a few beers and going to gigs.

Same old stuff.

Are you saying it’s a bit repetitive, much like his tactics

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:57 pm

Are you saying it’s a bit repetitive, much like his tactics

Fair point - the repetition whilst he was here served us fantastically well.

It's fair to say his stock has fallen a bit. I love the fella for what he did here, but his inability to evolve or try new things has cost him I think. Both in terms of tactics and recruitment. Whether accurate or not there's a perceived arrogance in persisting with a formula that is working less and less and being so unapologetic about it.

Maybe it's a chance to rebrand himself a bit, but very likely it's much more straightforward and he just fancies a change. Regardless I think his next job is in the championshipand at that level with the right team he'll do well again.

The irony of Shaggy complaining about something being repetitive.

They make mugs of themselves these days.

If you ever want to get Shaggy to crawl out from under his stone - simply say 'Sean Dyche'. If that don't work, you can always try VK or Scott Parker.

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:22 pm

It's fair to say his stock has fallen a bit. I love the fella for what he did here, but his inability to evolve or try new things has cost him I think. Both in terms of tactics and recruitment. Whether accurate or not there's a perceived arrogance in persisting with a formula that is working less and less and being so unapologetic about it.

Maybe it's a chance to rebrand himself a bit, but very likely it's much more straightforward and he just fancies a change. Regardless I think his next job is in the championshipand at that level with the right team he'll do well again.

He had lost the recruitment side of it at Burnley and throughout his time at Everton, recruitment was in the hands of Kevin Thelwell.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:38 pm

He had lost the recruitment side of it at Burnley and throughout his time at Everton, recruitment was in the hands of Kevin Thelwell.

Perhaps he lost direct control, but the manager has input and/or influence via the way he plays and sets up. The recruitment team do their job according to those requirements.

Perhaps he didn't get the backing he deserved, but I think it's fair to say his approach to the game and to the type of players he wants is fairly rigid.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:38 pm

He had lost the recruitment side of it at Burnley and throughout his time at Everton, recruitment was in the hands of Kevin Thelwell.

That's the way of most football.clubs these days isn't it. I doubt he'll ever get control of a.club like he had for most of his spell here again

And by the way that's not a huge criticism. By and large rigidity has worked for him.

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:43 pm

Perhaps he lost direct control, but the manager has input and/or influence via the way he plays and sets up. The recruitment team do their job according to those requirements.

Perhaps he didn't get the backing he deserved, but I think it's fair to say his approach to the game and to the type of players he wants is fairly rigid.

He was getting players he didn't want - I think that tells you how far he'd been moved away from what he was doing when we were successful.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:44 pm

That's the way of most football.clubs these days isn't it. I doubt he'll ever get control of a.club like he had for most of his spell here again

I would hope they haven't gone that way, not to the extent it happened here in his last few years.

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:35 pm

If you ever want to get Shaggy to crawl out from under his stone - simply say 'Sean Dyche'. If that don't work, you can always try VK or Scott Parker.

or Lewis Hamilton

Someone who knew a thing or two about the club back then told me the last time Dyche got a player he’d specifically requested was Aaron Lennon, and he wasn’t talking about when he re-signed in 2021.

SD showed us what he could achieve with a decent group of his players as we can see from the 2017-18 and 2019-20 season. The failure to back him much in his last almost 2 seasons cost us I think.

mdd2 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:15 pm

SD showed us what he could achieve with a decent group of his players as we can see from the 2017-18 and 2019-20 season. The failure to back him much in his last almost 2 seasons cost us I think.

Such a lost opportunity to truly establish ourselves in the PL seemingly as the then chairman wished to sell up. There were rumours of a fall out between them, it was such a shame..

Dyche’s stints on the High Performance podcast went into a lot of detail about what had changed at the club and whether it was change for the better. What I recall is he was refusing to criticise it but said there were knock on effects to the way the whole culture operates that needed considering, e.g. a change in the analytical team or player support.

My own view is that as players get more powerful even at our level now, an old school man manager like Dyche finds their style “my way or the highway” doesn’t work as well. Parker seems a bit better at that but if he gets us up whether that works with better players also remains to be seen.

We can praise Sean’s past efforts while still observing that modern football is outgrowing him a bit at the highest level.

Tony Loughlan was Roy Keane's head coach at Sunderland when they won the EFL and did the same with Dyche. Loughlan played a huge part in the success of Dyche imho, a real shame for us he had to leave.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:23 pm

Dyche’s stints on the High Performance podcast went into a lot of detail about what had changed at the club and whether it was change for the better. What I recall is he was refusing to criticise it but said there were knock on effects to the way the whole culture operates that needed considering, e.g. a change in the analytical team or player support.

My own view is that as players get more powerful even at our level now, an old school man manager like Dyche finds their style “my way or the highway” doesn’t work as well. Parker seems a bit better at that but if he gets us up whether that works with better players also remains to be seen.

We can praise Sean’s past efforts while still observing that modern football is outgrowing him a bit at the highest level.

It was mentioned on another thread recently, but my problem with it is that he chooses to let it outgrow him. He openly admitted that he wasn't making any attempts to go and see different managers in different leagues etc to see hoe they worked. On complete contrast to Eddie Howe.

I'm a huge fan of Dyche but it was either arrogance or laziness, or in my opinion a bit of both.

Instead of trying to grow and inherit bits from the modern managers, he has instead gone down the route of bitterness, suggesting foreign managers are no better and modern football terminology is a load of rubbish. He will probably end up on Big Sam's podcast where they both sit and laugh at modern football whilst simultaneously wondering why they are both unemployed

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:43 pm

Perhaps he lost direct control, but the manager has input and/or influence via the way he plays and sets up. The recruitment team do their job according to those requirements.

Perhaps he didn't get the backing he deserved, but I think it's fair to say his approach to the game and to the type of players he wants is fairly rigid.

Obviously, Everton have improved their results / points-per-game since Moyes came in.

But no more than statistically likely from an average "new manager bounce".

Moyes is a great manager and was a wise appointment.

Dyche is a great manager too and if there is a widespread view in football that he is "a dinosaur" or "can only play one style of football" then there's an opportunity for somebody to take by employing him.

Claretnick wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:21 pm

Such a lost opportunity to truly establish ourselves in the PL seemingly as the then chairman wished to sell up. There were rumours of a fall out between them, it was such a shame..

Both Leicester and Southampton were more established than us.....

Unless you have a wealthy owner with unlimited funds it's impossible to be established and even the likes of Brighton will go the way of Bolton if Tony Bloom pulls the plug.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:38 pm

He had lost the recruitment side of it at Burnley and throughout his time at Everton, recruitment was in the hands of Kevin Thelwell.

There's a few podcasts out there where he says he disliked the recruitment process under Garlick at the end, and was happy with the route the new owners were taking, so perhaps he prefers it that way.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:53 pm

Obviously, Everton have improved their results / points-per-game since Moyes came in.

But no more than statistically likely from an average "new manager bounce".

Moyes is a great manager and was a wise appointment.

Dyche is a great manager too and if there is a widespread view in football that he is "a dinosaur" or "can only play one style of football" then there's an opportunity for somebody to take by employing him.

There's also an opportunity for him to prove he isn't. But he needs to stop playing up to the stereotypes. It doesn't help him.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:53 pm

Obviously, Everton have improved their results / points-per-game since Moyes came in.

But no more than statistically likely from an average "new manager bounce".

Moyes is a great manager and was a wise appointment.

Dyche is a great manager too and if there is a widespread view in football that he is "a dinosaur" or "can only play one style of football" then there's an opportunity for somebody to take by employing him.

I remember watching an Everton game on TV maybe against United and the commentator said he'd spoke to several Everton players that week and everyone of them said the difference with Moyes was that he'd given them 'freedom', I think we can all agree Dyche was very structured in his coaching and style.
It worked for us and I think it'll work for another championship club if he goes back in to management at that level but I think most premier league clubs wouldn't improve with him in charge now

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:20 pm

I remember watching an Everton game on TV maybe against United and the commentator said he'd spoke to several Everton players that week and everyone of them said the difference with Moyes was that he'd given them 'freedom', I think we can all agree Dyche was very structured in his coaching and style.
It worked for us and I think it'll work for another championship club if he goes back in to management at that level but I think most premier league clubs wouldn't improve with him in charge now

That was the buzzword used in every interview by players after Dyche left here as well. I wonder if that came from Tarkowski or Mcneil

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:20 pm

I remember watching an Everton game on TV maybe against United and the commentator said he'd spoke to several Everton players that week and everyone of them said the difference with Moyes was that he'd given them 'freedom', I think we can all agree Dyche was very structured in his coaching and style.
It worked for us and I think it'll work for another championship club if he goes back in to management at that level but I think most premier league clubs wouldn't improve with him in charge now

Yup, giving players 'freedom' will only get you so far. Tim Sherwood, in a rare moment of clarity, admitted that it was the entirety of his managerial talent and that it only worked for a brief time when he first arrived at a club.

Many managers enjoy a brief spell of success. Very few enjoy prolonged periods of success and show they have what it takes to build more than one decent team.

Dyche arguably built three great teams (or maybe just 2 and a half) at Burnley. We certainly played a variety of different styles over his 11 year period.

Maybe he is "past it" and maybe he'll never enjoy success again but I'd back him.

Dyche was on a loser the minute Garlick decided the prem millions would be better in his bank account than being invested in the team.

It would be interesting to know how much 'freedom' the players are experiencing under SP.

Surely a manager just says "don't bother signing him, I won't play him".

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:02 pm

Hosting a show on Talkshite sounds like a terrible way to get back into top flight football.

Unless he’s decided going into the media is a good way to see him through to retirement without the stress that comes with football management.

Doesn't need to do either really… he’s made enough to see himself to retirement and beyond.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:53 pm

Obviously, Everton have improved their results / points-per-game since Moyes came in.

But no more than statistically likely from an average "new manager bounce".

Moyes is a great manager and was a wise appointment.

Dyche is a great manager too and if there is a widespread view in football that he is "a dinosaur" or "can only play one style of football" then there's an opportunity for somebody to take by employing him.

But on the flip side managers like Guardiola only seem to have one method of playing. And if that style doesn't work they struggle.

Fergie seems to be the only manager who's been able to adapt to different styles.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:23 pm

But on the flip side managers like Guardiola only seem to have one method of playing. And if that style doesn't work they struggle.

Fergie seems to be the only manager who's been able to adapt to different styles.

I was watching something on youtube this week and they were discussing Pep and his style, the player who commented on the show (I can't remember who it was, maybe Henry) said that one of the Barcelona players hit two long balls in the first half both of which created chances, a goal and a penalty - at half time he was subbed off and told 'that's not how we play'.

That's just nuts.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:33 pm

Yup, giving players 'freedom' will only get you so far. Tim Sherwood, in a rare moment of clarity, admitted that it was the entirety of his managerial talent and that it only worked for a brief time when he first arrived at a club.

Many managers enjoy a brief spell of success. Very few enjoy prolonged periods of success and show they have what it takes to build more than one decent team.

Dyche arguably built three great teams (or maybe just 2 and a half) at Burnley. We certainly played a variety of different styles over his 11 year period.

Maybe he is "past it" and maybe he'll never enjoy success again but I'd back him.

I don't believe he is past it he's a fantastic manager, I just think the premier league has progressed too much for him and his style now. I think given a half decent championship club with a good board behind him and he'd still walk the championship and have a good crack at keeping them up the same way he did with us. I just don't think his style is fluid enough for him to take it to the next level with how football currently is.

Row x wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:18 pm

There's a few podcasts out there where he says he disliked the recruitment process under Garlick at the end, and was happy with the route the new owners were taking, so perhaps he prefers it that way.

You mean the process where Garlick decided who we should buy. If he'd backed him rather than hive the money away then I believe we'd have continued to progress.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:13 pm

You mean the process where Garlick decided who we should buy. If he'd backed him rather than hive the money away then I believe we'd have continued to progress.

The summer after finishing in the Europa places was unforgivable. I'm not sure how much a club like Burnley can progress from there though, finishing top 7. Consolidation perhaps, but it's the cyclical nature of the premier league that at some point it was going to get tough again. He was the victim of his own success to a degree, but the process was sped up 10 fold when he wasn't backed that year.

I do think he'll struggle to adapt to bigger clubs with bigger ambitions due to his playing style and obvious preference for home based (expensive) players. He loves a good pro, a good character, and physical players. All well and good, especially in the championship and with teams looking to stay in the Premier league. Can he take a step further? Perhaps, but if not he'll still have a great career.

Sean was great for Burnley over the years no doubt, but since the start of 2021/22 season, his last at Burnley, to when he left Everton, he has won just 31 games in league and cup. That is simply not good enough. This season it took the much criticised and perceived dinosaur according to some David Moyes just six games to match his wins for the season with the exact same squad of players. His next job needs to be the right one and he needs to get back to winning football matches.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:13 pm

You mean the process where Garlick decided who we should buy. If he'd backed him rather than hive the money away then I believe we'd have continued to progress.

That is the top and bottom of it. Garlick got far too much of an easy ride at the time. That summer window in 2018 was diabolical.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:13 pm

You mean the process where Garlick decided who we should buy. If he'd backed him rather than hive the money away then I believe we'd have continued to progress.

He said he asked for money to buy a couple of players, but was told there was no money, which he said he knew to be untrue and that that didn't seem to be the case with the new owners as he said was shown with the Cornet signing and others that they tried for.
I agree 100% that if Dyche had been backed at important points, such as when we qualified for Europe, we would have flourished.

Can see him ending up at Leicester this summer.

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:35 pm

If you ever want to get Shaggy to crawl out from under his stone...

Why would anyone want Shaggy crawling out from under his stone?

Love Dyche, best thing that ever happened to our club imo

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:31 pm

Love Dyche, best thing that ever happened to our club imo

Best thing in years and years

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:13 pm

You mean the process where Garlick decided who we should buy. If he'd backed him rather than hive the money away then I believe we'd have continued to progress.

Life-Long Burnley fan Mike Garlick ?...Surely not...

He’s absolutely slated VK. Saying about 24 points and 127 million spent and still ended up at Bayern.

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:56 pm

He’s absolutely slated VK. Saying about 24 points and 127 million spent and still ended up at Bayern.

He's right too.

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:56 pm

He’s absolutely slated VK. Saying about 24 points and 127 million spent and still ended up at Bayern.

I saw some quotes earlier. Apparently he said VK left us “£127m in debt”, which is stretching the truth somewhat, but he was on Talkshite.

I'll have to see if I can find the clip