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Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:53 pm
by Roosterbooster
As we now know today's results for us and SU, we also know what is needed to secure promotion
(Assuming our GD remains better than theirs)
Win v SU
Promoted
Draw v SU
Need 1 pt from final 2 games
Lose v SU
Need 4 pts from final 2 games
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:54 pm
by dougcollins
As many have said, I am concerned SP will go for the draw on Monday.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:06 pm
by gandhisflipflop
dougcollins wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:54 pm
As many have said, I am concerned SP will go for the draw on Monday.
I don’t care if he does. There’s absolutely no chance we do not get at least 1 point from the last 2 games.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:07 pm
by dougcollins
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:06 pm
I don’t care if he does. There’s absolutely no chance we do not get at least 1 point from the last 2 games.
Apart from the danger that we lose, I suppose.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:08 pm
by Roosterbooster
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:06 pm
I don’t care if he does. There’s absolutely no chance we do not get at least 1 point from the last 2 games.
Provided we actually do draw
I think DC's point is that we stand a bigger chance of losing if we go for a draw rather than a win
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:10 pm
by dougcollins
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:08 pm
Provided we actually do draw
I think DC's point is that we stand a bigger chance of losing if we go for a draw rather than a win
Yes.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:10 pm
by summitclaret
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:06 pm
I don’t care if he does. There’s absolutely no chance we do not get at least 1 point from the last 2 games.
If we were to lose on Monday we could need 4 points from the last 2 games, as SU could get to 95 points. It's far from over yet.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:12 pm
by Kgun5
dougcollins wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:54 pm
As many have said, I am concerned SP will go for the draw on Monday.
Agreed. It's about mentality. If we play our normal style and draw, no problem. If we try something abnormal, we won't be playing our best game. Seeing how 9-man Watford nearly pegged us back twice, I'll take my chances with the former.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:15 pm
by claretspice
I'm sure we'll be more cautious than gung ho on Monday. It suits us to play that way. But with Foster unavailable we lack a threat in behind on the front 3. We do look a better team when we squeeze higher up the pitch.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:17 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:08 pm
Provided we actually do draw
I think DC's point is that we stand a bigger chance of losing if we go for a draw rather than a win
Fair point.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:19 pm
by willsclarets
I don't think anyone would've dared dream we'd be 5 points clear of 3rd not long ago. But I'm nowhere near comfortable, 2 losses in a row isn't likely but certainly possible. I would really love for us to out sheff united to the sword on Monday. We're more than capable.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:50 pm
by Woodleyclaret
No issues we will put Sheffield United to the sword on Monday
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:10 pm
by Row x
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:08 pm
Provided we actually do draw
I think DC's point is that we stand a bigger chance of losing if we go for a draw rather than a win
We must not have gone out for a draw many times in the last 30 games then
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:17 pm
by box_of_frogs
claretspice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:15 pm
I'm sure we'll be more cautious than gung ho on Monday. It suits us to play that way. But with Foster unavailable we lack a threat in behind on the front 3. We do look a better team when we squeeze higher up the pitch.
It doesn’t suit us though. Look at today. Tried to see out a win v 9 men, and very nearly threw it away. We’re better at attacking and forcing them back, than arsing about / flailing around looking for fouls / looking for a draw for 90 mins.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:22 pm
by AndrewJB
Is it really a thing of playing for a draw, or just playing a stronger defensive team that will be less likely to concede? Sheffield United have to win, and this is an advantage for us. Leeds and Sunderland have been to the Turf without scoring, though I'm sure we still played to win those games, but perhaps with a line-up that nullified their threat.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:25 pm
by The Shire Claret
Also need to remember in order for us to need 4 points if we lose … that’s on the understanding that Sheffield United win their 2 remaining games
Permutation city
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:26 pm
by Kgun5
AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:22 pm
Is it really a thing of playing for a draw, or just playing a stronger defensive team that will be less likely to concede? Sheffield United have to win, and this is an advantage for us. Leeds and Sunderland have been to the Turf without scoring, though I'm sure we still played to win those games, but perhaps with a line-up that nullified their threat.
I'd take that drab draw at home against Leeds again, but Sheff Utd won't act like Leeds did.
Still, I'm fine with a more defensive lineup, just not a defensive mindset, I suppose.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:32 pm
by Bacchus
It suited both Burnley and Leeds to play out a bore draw and it was pretty clear what was happening in that match from about 5 minutes in. Obviously that won't be the case on Monday. I'm sure we won't be taking any undue risks, but I'm equally sure that Parker is astute enough not to just sit back and hope Sheff Utd don't score
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:09 pm
by dvalley69
Need to go out all guns blazing and get in front. They're likely to try and frustrate us, keep it tight for most of the game, and gradually try and nick one 2nd half and defend like mad. The longer it's 0-0 the more nervous we'll become and be happy with the point.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:11 pm
by RVclaret
Parker was involved in a very similar game to this at Bournemouth when they clinched promotion. If I remember right Forest could have gone level with them if they’d won, but Bournemouth won 1-0 to seal it. Funny enough it was Kieffar Moore who scored the goal, and he’ll be on the pitch for the opposition this time.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:12 pm
by Vegas Claret
if you look at the gaps Sheff Utd left today I'm confident we can get in behind them. Stop Hamer stop Sheff Utd
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:03 pm
by Spike
The only permutation we need to worry about for Monday is which pubs we go to and in what order to Celebrate Promotion
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:29 pm
by GetIntoEm
People still doubting parkers tactics is embarrassing. Bugger off and go and support someone else. We don't need you
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:30 pm
by Burnleyareback2
My white electrical tape arrived today, I will have my 4 stripes on the sleeve for Monday out of respect for our great leader.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:34 pm
by dsr
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:12 pm
if you look at the gaps Sheff Utd left today I'm confident we can get in behind them. Stop Hamer stop Sheff Utd
That may be easier than we think - Hamer went off injured today. No idea whether it was just precautionary or whether it might keep him out.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:43 pm
by ISpeds00
Home
Big Atomosphere
A team that hardly concedes
A Sheff team that HAVE to attack
All points to promotion
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:54 pm
by mybloodisclaret
It tastes like Pro-MOTION!!!!
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:05 am
by martin_p
To be honest I’ll be surprised if it’s a draw on Monday. Sheffield United are going to have to come at us, it should make it an open game.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:13 am
by Vegas Claret
Laurent will surely play on Monday as we will need his height on set pieces, that should see Brownhill in the 10 which IMHO is his best position. Looking at Sheff Utd today he will find space for sure.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:34 am
by JR1882
martin_p wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:05 am
To be honest I’ll be surprised if it’s a draw on Monday. Sheffield United are going to have to come at us, it should make it an open game.
Agreed, a draw is no good for them, 5 behind with 6 to play for.
Win or bust for them so we should be in for a good game, and indeed a different kind of game too.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:52 am
by kaptin1
The odds are very much in our favour, but if Sheff U beat us and Stoke on Friday night then we will go into the final two matches a point behind them but with a game in hand. That could make for a very nervy end to the season.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:21 am
by NewClaret
kaptin1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:52 am
The odds are very much in our favour, but if Sheff U beat us and Stoke on Friday night then we will go into the final two matches a point behind them but with a game in hand. That could make for a very nervy end to the season.
Basically, Monday is a must not lose.
Laurent back in for me and try to stay resolute defensively.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:50 am
by Colburn_Claret
We've no need to go gung ho, but we need to start faster than yesterday. Take any momentum away from them, then settle down.
A win is all that matters, another permutation just leads to more nail biting .
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 11:55 am
by Fretters
I think privately Parker will be desperate to win the league, having gone up through the play offs and in second before. I think we'll go for it on Monday.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:03 pm
by SydneyClaret
We’ve played our best all season against teams that come out at us and give it a go. Sheffield United have no choice but to do that. They’re not good enough to beat us though so we’ll turn them over like every other team that’s has give it a go.
Our issue is we can’t break down teams that dig in.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:04 pm
by AfloatinClaret
How far off that 'clean-sheets in a season' record are we now? I think Monday would be a very good day to add another one to our tally, irrespective of whether we score ourselves.
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:04 pm
by Im_not_Robbie_Blake
claretspice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:15 pm
I'm sure we'll be more cautious than gung ho on Monday. It suits us to play that way. But with Foster unavailable we lack a threat in behind on the front 3. We do look a better team when we squeeze higher up the pitch.
We're never 'gung-ho'! We play sensible football!!
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:23 pm
by Firthy
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:53 pm
As we now know today's results for us and SU, we also know what is needed to secure promotion
(Assuming our GD remains better than theirs)
Win v SU
Promoted
Draw v SU
Need 1 pt from final 2 games
Lose v SU
Need 4 pts from final 2 games
And the last 2 are only if Sheffield win all 3
Re: Permutations for Promotion
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:32 pm
by Winstonswhite
Odds of 1/20 to gain automatic promotion- same as Leeds. Sheffield United 11/2