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Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 7:26 pm
by Quickenthetempo
After watching today's episode of the Overlap with Ruud Gullit, he speaks of being at a UEFA cup draw or similar. He went over to meet the new Chelsea owners, who hadn't a clue who he was or that he played and managed Chelsea.
He spoke of Graeme Souness being furious at Liverpool's owners for not knowing who he was.
Do you think our owners are clued up on our history and ex players?
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 7:49 pm
by ClaretTony
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 7:26 pm
After watching today's episode of the Overlap with Ruud Gullit, he speaks of being at a UEFA cup draw or similar. He went over to meet the new Chelsea owners, who hadn't a clue who he was or that he played and managed Chelsea.
He spoke of Graeme Souness being furious at Liverpool's owners for not knowing who he was.
Do you think our owners are clued up on our history and ex players?
No is the answer to that
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:02 pm
by Row x
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 7:26 pm
After watching today's episode of the Overlap with Ruud Gullit, he speaks of being at a UEFA cup draw or similar. He went over to meet the new Chelsea owners, who hadn't a clue who he was or that he played and managed Chelsea.
He spoke of Graeme Souness being furious at Liverpool's owners for not knowing who he was.
Do you think our owners are clued up on our history and ex players?
Perhaps not the encyclopedic knowledge some claim to have, but probably the same as the average fan
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:05 pm
by Venkys4eva
Row x wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:02 pm
Perhaps not the encyclopedic knowledge some claim to have, but probably the same as the average fan
This - and its enough
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:06 pm
by fidelcastro
Row x wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:02 pm
Perhaps not the encyclopedic knowledge some claim to have, but probably the same as the average fan
I doubt it's anywhere near the same as the average fan.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:10 pm
by ClaretTony
Row x wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:02 pm
Perhaps not the encyclopedic knowledge some claim to have, but probably the same as the average fan
Nothing like the average fan but you wouldn’t expect them to
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:12 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Mr Pace would probably know more than the average fan. He has a good relationship with most of the old players who still live in the area and/or still visit the Turf. Speaks regularly to a lot of them and they all seem to have a lot of time for him
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:14 pm
by The Shire Claret
He knows Glen Little and that’s good enough for me
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:23 pm
by Quickenthetempo
I wouldn't expect them to know more ex players than the average fan, maybe new fans from the same timeframe.
They must meet the half time guests and any matchday corporate speaker that played for us.
The directors box doesn't seem to host any ex players like yesteryear.
It takes some doing not knowing someone like Gullit though. He was the world's best player at one time.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:30 pm
by cblantfanclub
What a rubbish nit picking thread to start.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:34 pm
by k90bfc
Put the old players portraits back up all around Turf Moor,outside walls,they were removed to the disgust of all us older lifelong fans,with no notice,even today,past players familys attend the games,with their children who would love a photo showing their Grandad,the future is important,but so is the past,UTC.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:37 pm
by Venkys4eva
k90bfc wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:34 pm
Put the old players portraits back up all around Turf Moor,outside walls,they were removed to the disgust of all us older lifelong fans,with no notice,even today,past players familys attend the games,with their children who would love a photo showing their Grandad,the future is important,but so is the past,UTC.
Are you joking? They looked shite its much better now.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:37 pm
by Row x
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:06 pm
I doubt it's anywhere near the same as the average fan.
I've been a fan since the 60s, season ticket holder since 72.
I know the cups and titles we've won, which I'm sure Pace does
I can't name the line ups of those teams, even though I was there for many, I doubt Pace can either
I know the names of major players over the years, not sure I'd recognise them if I saw them now. But would from how they used to look.
What more does the average fan know? ( without reference to Google, or sites like this)
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:44 pm
by fidelcastro
Row x wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:37 pm
I've been a fan since the 60s, season ticket holder since 72.
I know the cups and titles we've won, which I'm sure Pace does
I can't name the line ups of those teams, even though I was there for many, I doubt Pace can either
I know the names of major players over the years, not sure I'd recognise them if I saw them now. But would from how they used to look.
What more does the average fan know? ( without reference to Google, or sites like this)
I think I can safely say I'd beat Alan Pace in a Burnley FC quiz on past/present players and games.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:45 pm
by fidelcastro
Venkys4eva wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:37 pm
Are you joking? They looked shite its much better now.
They didn't look shite at all.
Is black your favourite colour or something?
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:46 pm
by cblantfanclub
I've been going on the turf since 1961 and I'm sure you'd beat me Fidel.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:50 pm
by fidelcastro
cblantfanclub wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:46 pm
I've been going on the turf since 1961 and I'm sure you'd beat me Fidel.
I think you must mean because your memory isn't what it was. That's fair enough. It's not because you didn't attend or ever care about past players and matches like our owners won't.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:51 pm
by Enola Gay
Why would/should they?
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:52 pm
by Row x
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:44 pm
I think I can safely say I'd beat Alan Pace in a Burnley FC quiz on past/present players and games.
Perhaps you're not an average fan then
Or you could just be telling porkies
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:55 pm
by fidelcastro
Row x wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:52 pm
Perhaps you're not an average fan then
Or you could just be telling porkies
No. I'm not telling porkies.
Why are you so quick to defend everything about the owners?
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:58 pm
by Quickenthetempo
cblantfanclub wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:30 pm
What a rubbish nit picking thread to start.
Feel free to start a thread of your own, that's better than this one.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:04 pm
by GetIntoEm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:45 pm
They didn't look shite at all.
Is black your favourite colour or something?
From a aesthetics point of view they did look shite. Different styles, some colour, some black and white (obviously), different resolutions and aspect ratios.
The idea was good, the execution was poor. If they had all been stylised in the same way it could have looked mint
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:06 pm
by fidelcastro
GetIntoEm wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:04 pm
From a aesthetics point of view they did look shite. Different styles, some colour, some black and white (obviously), different resolutions and aspect ratios.
The idea was good, the execution was poor. If they had all been stylised in the same way it could have looked mint
Better than what we have now.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:18 pm
by giveusaB
Any update on a new location for the removed player pics?
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:19 pm
by cblantfanclub
"Feel free to start a thread of your own, that's better than this one."
Strange irrelevant answer that offers no further insight into your POV. I've no desire to start a thread just giving an opinion on yours which as you've put it up in public deserves some scrutiny and it's apparent pettiness is something I felt, rightly or wrongly.
On reflection I probably could.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:19 pm
by GetIntoEm
giveusaB wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:18 pm
Any update on a new location for the removed player pics?
Tony said they knew where they were and there was a plan about 6 months ago but quiet since
They won't go back up on the ground I wouldn't have thought
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:19 pm
by GetIntoEm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:06 pm
Better than what we have now.
Many would disagree.
The ground actually looks quite tidy, fresh and modern as it looks now. At least the best it can
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:20 pm
by aggi
I heard that Pace has all those player boards up at his house so that he can swot up on his past player knowledge.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:23 pm
by Row x
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 8:55 pm
No. I'm not telling porkies.
Why are you so quick to defend everything about the owners?
To have average fans, there has to be above average fans, who have a knowledge similar to what you're claiming, so don't be insulted or defensive
In answer to your question. Because I think they are doing a good job,.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:30 pm
by Venkys4eva
GetIntoEm wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:19 pm
Many would disagree.
The ground actually looks quite tidy, fresh and modern as it looks now. At least the best it can
I think it looks much better now.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:30 pm
by Devils_Advocate
One of the big problems with the player portraits was that that it was unclear whether the players were considered hero's or legends and thus caused a lot of confusion.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:38 pm
by JR1882
It’s not really a fair comparison, our owners won’t know previous League 1/2 players will they, clearly. However anyone taking over a top club should be aware of who Gullit is if he played for them.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:51 pm
by GetIntoEm
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:30 pm
One of the big problems with the player portraits was that that it was unclear whether the players were considered hero's or legends and thus caused a lot of confusion.
Probably the most sensible thing you've ever said
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:51 pm
by Jambounchained
Is that the sound of a barrel I can hear being scraped?
Utterly ridiculous thread.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:53 pm
by Boss Hogg
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 7:26 pm
After watching today's episode of the Overlap with Ruud Gullit, he speaks of being at a UEFA cup draw or similar. He went over to meet the new Chelsea owners, who hadn't a clue who he was or that he played and managed Chelsea.
He spoke of Graeme Souness being furious at Liverpool's owners for not knowing who he was.
Do you think our owners are clued up on our history and ex players?
Doesn’t surprise me that Souness was annoyed that someone didn’t know who he was.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:54 pm
by Rowls
As long as the club is well run, we should probably make allowances if Alan Pace doesn't recognise Mark Ford or Neil Wood.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 9:58 pm
by fidelcastro
Row x wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:23 pm
To have average fans, there has to be above average fans, who have a knowledge similar to what you're claiming, so don't be insulted or defensive
In answer to your question. Because I think they are doing a good job,.
Yes, I know plenty of fans with above knowledge. They're not hard to find.
As for the owners. I'm guessing you're okay with the recent accounts and the level of debt?
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:00 pm
by Quickenthetempo
Jambounchained wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:51 pm
Is that the sound of a barrel I can hear being scraped?
Utterly ridiculous thread.
Another pointless poster.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:03 pm
by fidelcastro
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:54 pm
As long as the club is well run, we should probably make allowances if Alan Pace doesn't recognise Mark Ford or Neil Wood.
That's kind of the point though. The owners won't have heard of players like that, therefore their "knowledge" on the history of our club can't be on a par with the average fan, can it?
At the time the players you mentioned played for us, I doubt the owners will have heard of Burnley Football Club either.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:08 pm
by Rowls
We clearly need to draw up a 'name the player' quiz for the directors.
And it MUST include Neil Wood and Mark Ford. Nobody tell them which one is which.
This is vital.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:12 pm
by fidelcastro
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 10:08 pm
We clearly need to draw up a 'name the player' quiz for the directors.
And it MUST include Neil Wood and Mark Ford. Nobody tell them which one is which.
This is vital.
Or we could just accept that when it comes to historical players (good or bad) the fans will have better and longer memories, as they were here and the owners weren't.
Let's just move on.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:16 pm
by Poulton-le-Claret
Probably no different for most owners I would imagine.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:17 pm
by GetIntoEm
I'm not sure Garlick and co would have had a clue either.
Waiting for someone to tell me he was in a WhatsApp group with Jean Louis Valois and Rune Vindheim
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:20 pm
by Burnleyareback2
Probably more essential is preparing the future than the past. Would they even know the last 40 years of owners?
I think they have a good grasp of our heritage, importance in the town etc I’d rather their energy was spent plotting the next season than knowing that we once had Leon Cort.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:52 pm
by Vegas Claret
I wouldn't expect owners to know a bunch of players who used to play for the club, it's a business not a pub quiz
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 10:59 pm
by SlidingTackle
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:53 pm
Doesn’t surprise me that Souness was annoyed that someone didn’t know who he was.
Even Yosser Hughes knew who Graeme Souness was....
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 6:15 am
by Row x
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 9:58 pm
Yes, I know plenty of fans with above knowledge. They're not hard to find.
As for the owners. I'm guessing you're okay with the recent accounts and the level of debt?
The Maquire chap, who is normally very negative about Burnley, is actually positive about the latest accounts, so must be looking ok
You're obviously a clever chap, so simple question.
At the time the present owners acquired the club.....what was the alternative?....sensible answers only please.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 6:49 am
by NottsClaret
Worth pointing out that Gullit was fine about the Chelsea owner not knowing who he was and told the Souness tale as a funny story.
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 7:38 am
by Goalkeeper
Our local has a new owner, and he didn't know Maisy, who was a really popular landlady in the 90s. Hard to believe isn't it....
Re: Would our owners know past players?
Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 7:42 am
by claretonthecoast1882
The spirit of Royston Vasey lives on.
You start to wonder when those with a dislike borderline hatred for the owners will start to bore themselves as well as others with their little snipes and constant bitching