7.45 - Maxime Estève
7.42 - CJ Egan-Riley
7.16 - Josh Cullen
7.05 - James Trafford
7.00 - Connor Roberts
6.73 - Bashir Humphreys
6.71 - Hannibal
6.70 - Jaidon Anthony
6.68 - Josh Brownhill
6.56 - Josh Laurent
6.29 - Lucas Pires
6.28 - Zian Flemming
6.25 - Jeremy Sarmiento
5.99 - Lyle Foster
5.97 - Luca Koleosho

Brownhill seems incredibly low on that list. Flemming too

That looks a pretty fair assessment.

The top 4 in particular hardly had a bad game between them all season.

Trafford’s score is probably lower because a lot of weeks people were commenting that he had so little to do and scoring him accordingly - rather than possibly scoring him for great positioning, his distribution or coming to collect the ball from crosses (which he did far more confidently this season).

Even though fans expect keepers to come out and catch a cross as standard not many keepers in the EPL these days actually do it !

Seems fair. Maybe Browny a tad low. The process means the cream correctly rises to the top.

What's the qualification? Of those not on it Edwards made more starts than Sarmiento but fewer minutes due to never playing 90, and Jay made the pitch 20 times but only started 8.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 10:12 am

Seems fair. Maybe Browny a tad low. The process means the cream correctly rises to the top.

What's the qualification? Of those not on it Edwards made more starts than Sarmiento but fewer minutes due to never playing 90, and Jay made the pitch 20 times but only started 8.

I set it at 20 qualifying games - Sarmiento was on 21 games but Edwards and Jay Rod were 14 and 12 respectively.

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 9:59 am

Trafford’s score is probably lower because a lot of weeks people were commenting that he had so little to do and scoring him accordingly - rather than possibly scoring him for great positioning, his distribution or coming to collect the ball from crosses (which he did far more confidently this season).

Even though fans expect keepers to come out and catch a cross as standard not many keepers in the EPL these days actually do it !

Trafford picked up a number of 6 out of 10 performances last Saturday which highlights that. But it seems he has to make a lot of saves sometimes to get better ratings.

Brownhill's rating is low to the point of suggesting he's under appreciated. He's the players player of the season and got 19 goals from midfield. He's had a season which is closer to very good than average.

There are two other players under valued - Anthony and Pires. Two of our outstanding players in the last 3 months but they'd both been very solid performers before that.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 10:43 am

Brownhill's rating is low to the point of suggesting he's under appreciated. He's the players player of the season and got 19 goals from midfield. He's had a season which is closer to very good than average.

There are two other players under valued - Anthony and Pires. Two of our outstanding players in the last 3 months but they'd both been very solid performers before that.

Anthony is hard to judge. He only really stepped up around February. Before that his numbers were really poor and it was hard to work out whether that was due to his role tactically or because he wasn't making the right runs to get himself in goalscoring positions. It seems to have been a bit of both to me, he was definitely playing deeper earlier in the season to the point where he was almost a wing back at times but he also wasn't sniffing out the positions to get goals.

Most of the attacking players are undervalued because of the 0-0 effect, where defenders score higher by virtue of keeping clean sheets but attackers suffer by not scoring or assisting. We had a lot of 0-0's.

You can't reasonably suggest that Bashir Humphreys had a better season than Anthony, Brownhill or Flemming.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 9:51 am

7.45 - Maxime Estève
7.42 - CJ Egan-Riley
7.16 - Josh Cullen
7.05 - James Trafford
7.00 - Connor Roberts
6.73 - Bashir Humphreys
6.71 - Hannibal
6.70 - Jaidon Anthony
6.68 - Josh Brownhill
6.56 - Josh Laurent
6.29 - Lucas Pires
6.28 - Zian Flemming
6.25 - Jeremy Sarmiento
5.99 - Lyle Foster
5.97 - Luca Koleosho

A multi record breaking, 100 point season, with players nominated for awards left right and centre, and us Burnley fans rate them mostly between average and good..... I reckon 7 is the new 9.

Is it possible to show how many times each player earned an average rating of 7.0 or better and out of how many games?

distortiondave wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 11:05 am

Most of the attacking players are undervalued because of the 0-0 effect, where defenders score higher by virtue of keeping clean sheets but attackers suffer by not scoring or assisting. We had a lot of 0-0's.

You can't reasonably suggest that Bashir Humphreys had a better season than Anthony, Brownhill or Flemming.

Sorry I should also have highlighted Flemming. Well undervalued.

It’s an average and early season Flemming was not scoring so was possibly marked accordingly. He’s improved so many aspects of his game whilst getting used to a new role.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 11:11 am

A multi record breaking, 100 point season, with players nominated for awards left right and centre, and us Burnley fans rate them mostly between average and good..... I reckon 7 is the new 9.

To be fair I remember attending games and feeling so bored after a long drive that I wanted to award below the minimum ‘3’.

But I also remember handing out maybe half a dozen 10’s.

The averages seem fair because, mainly pre February, it was a very tough watch at times.

On a separate note - what would be interesting (not practical of course) is to see each of our personal averages, by player. That would dominate discussion for weeks. I bet a few with “agendas” against some players really drive the average down for that player. I never see many of these marks because I block so many silly posters but I know it happens.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 11:19 am

Sorry I should also have highlighted Flemming. Well undervalued.

He got 12 goals and 4 assists and isn't particularly good with his back to play in terms of linking or being a targetman.

I'm not sure he should be that high up the list.

Tried to see if the highest scoring players could be worked into a starting 11. Obviously strong at the back but disjointed and lacking up front.


--------------------------------- Trafford ---------------------------------

Roberts ----------- Egan-Riley --------- Esteve --------- Humphreys

------------------------------------ Cullen ---------------------------------

------- Brownhil ---------------- Laurent --------------- Pires ----------

--------------------- Hannibal ----------------- Anthony ------------------

Considering the volume of goals both Brownhill and Fleming got (not to mention the points this secured each game between them), its a bit surprising to see where these two finished

claretspice wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 10:43 am

Brownhill's rating is low to the point of suggesting he's under appreciated. He's the players player of the season and got 19 goals from midfield. He's had a season which is closer to very good than average.

There are two other players under valued - Anthony and Pires. Two of our outstanding players in the last 3 months but they'd both been very solid performers before that.

The ratings were always going to be skewed this season. We were a different team from the end of January. Prior to this there were a lot of average performances. However, there's good number far too low overall!

Brownhill has always divided opinion. I've stated previously that we're better with him in the team, but others seem to be of the opinion that games pass him by. 24 goal involvements this season suggests he's quite heavily involved, and he should be much higher up the list.

You're correct on Anthony and Pires too. Both received unfair criticism in the early part of the season. Pires struggled with the rotation with Humphreys, but he's gone from strength to strength since starting games regularly, and now looks like one who could step up. Anthony was sacrificed in the earlier part of the season to accommodate anyone else on the left wing. He was our only threat in a lot of 0-0's, but teams could double up on him easily. Signing Edwards has released Anthony and he's looked like an excellent player - another who should be able to step up.

I'd expect Brownhill and Anthony to be 7+, with Pires not far behind.

Lucas Pires is very low. I know a few didn't take to him early on, but by the end he was our best fullback for the season.
He had the most blocks/tackles from our squad despite not playing as much as others.

There were still people dishing out 3's in 2025, been a mixed season on the scoring.

Certainly for me there's players that should be higher. Brownhill and Antony for example.

But that's how these things go

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 12:43 pm

Lucas Pires is very low. I know a few didn't take to him early on, but by the end he was our best fullback for the season.
He had the most blocks/tackles from our squad despite not playing as much as others.

https://theanalyst.com/2025/05/champion ... ta-2024-25
Article that mentions Pires in the Cullen piece.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 11:53 am

To be fair I remember attending games and feeling so bored after a long drive that I wanted to award below the minimum ‘3’.

But I also remember handing out maybe half a dozen 10’s.

The averages seem fair because, mainly pre February, it was a very tough watch at times.

On a separate note - what would be interesting (not practical of course) is to see each of our personal averages, by player. That would dominate discussion for weeks. I bet a few with “agendas” against some players really drive the average down for that player. I never see many of these marks because I block so many silly posters but I know it happens.

I think our expectations might be out of kilter if 100 points represents fair marks of average to good. I think that the rating system on the post each week is 6 average, 7 good, 8 very good, 9 excellent 10 - world class or whatever it is.

Brownhill 18 goals in the season - fans player ratings mark 6.68 - just short of good.

I raise it regularly, there's huge swings for lows but very rarely huge swings for highs.

Ask yourself how you would rate the players out of 10 for the season, and then check it against the scores below - mine look silly - I have Trafford and Esteve as 10's - I don't know what more could have been expected of them for their season's work - CJ, Brownhill, Cullen, Anthony as 9's, Hannibal, Laurent, Pires, Roberts as 8's - do you disagree with any of them? For their seasons work?

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 2:02 pm

I think our expectations might be out of kilter if 100 points represents fair marks of average to good. I think that the rating system on the post each week is 6 average, 7 good, 8 very good, 9 excellent 10 - world class or whatever it is.

Brownhill 18 goals in the season - fans player ratings mark 6.68 - just short of good.

I raise it regularly, there's huge swings for lows but very rarely huge swings for highs.

Ask yourself how you would rate the players out of 10 for the season, and then check it against the scores below - mine look silly - I have Trafford and Esteve as 10's - I don't know what more could have been expected of them for their season's work - CJ, Brownhill, Cullen, Anthony as 9's, Hannibal, Laurent, Pires, Roberts as 8's - do you disagree with any of them? For their seasons work?

No way Anthony would be a 9. Any of our attackers should rate down for that period where we couldn’t create let alone score (excusing Edwards since we have only dropped 4 points since starting him so I would give him an 8). 7 at best for these attackers. But for February to May it may be a 9.5 in my head for Jaydon and well done him.

Hannibal anonymous on lots of occasions but also has risen to the fore in April and May.

Whereas Trafford, CJER, Esteve I would give 9 over the season, Cullen, Brownhill, Roberts and Pires an 8. Much is correlated to how far up the pitch their position is, it has been a weird season.

I think we have to be careful not to suffer from “recency bias” when pondering it, which is why this ratings feature is so good. I think Scott accepts that.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 12:56 pm

https://theanalyst.com/2025/05/champion ... ta-2024-25
Article that mentions Pires in the Cullen piece.

Hayden Hackney gets in the side here, he would be a good signing. Always stands out when I watch Boro and we need a midfielder.

I wouldn't be against us just signing him and Freddie Potts as our only midfield signings

This isn't a rating against how people think the players have performed across a full season but is an average of their 46 individual performances and to try and compare the two is either a a bit disingenuous or a bit thick.

dandeclaret says he has Esteve and Trafford as a 10 yet based on his own player ratings for last season Esteve averages 7.6 and Trafford averages 6.2 with Trafford only getting above a 7 once. Think he needs to maybe have a word with himself

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 2:21 pm

This isn't a rating against how people think the players have performed across a full season but is an average of their 46 individual performances and to try and compare the two is either a a bit disingenuous or a bit thick.

dandeclaret says he has Esteve and Trafford as a 10 yet based on his own player ratings for last season Esteve averages 7.6 and Trafford averages 6.2 with Trafford only getting above a 7 once. Think he needs to maybe have a word with himself

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 2:21 pm

This isn't a rating against how people think the players have performed across a full season but is an average of their 46 individual performances and to try and compare the two is either a a bit disingenuous or a bit thick.

dandeclaret says he has Esteve and Trafford as a 10 yet based on his own player ratings for last season Esteve averages 7.6 and Trafford averages 6.2 with Trafford only getting above a 7 once. Think he needs to maybe have a word with himself

I think anyone bothering to look back and work it out is the one who should be having a word with themselves

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 3:36 pm

I think anyone bothering to look back and work it out is the one who should be having a word with themselves

Took me less than 10 mins to pull that info together and I think it was time well spent thanks. Not sure why you bothered replying to me giving how precious your time is.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 3:42 pm

Took me less than 10 mins to pull that info together and I think it was time well spent thanks. Not sure why you bothered replying to me giving how precious your time is.

I’m good - I can spare 30 seconds to call out your sad post.

No need to be confrontational about it. Win a routine championship game 1-0 and you'll mostly get 7s and 8s. If you win 46 games 1-0, you'll get 138 points and everyone will still average around 7.5. You can't do this retrospectively.

Some people are getting increasingly precious about this season.

So does mean Esteve receives the "Beaky" award or is that something else?

You can't reasonably suggest that Bashir Humphreys had a better season than Anthony, Brownhill or Flemming.
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Precisely this.

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 7:29 pm

You can't reasonably suggest that Bashir Humphreys had a better season than Anthony, Brownhill or Flemming.

Precisely this.
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You could even argue that our improved performances largely started when Pires came in for Humphreys

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 4:59 pm

Some people are getting increasingly precious about this season.

Just wait until Parker goes to Spurs, then this season will purely have been down to luck.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 6:36 pm

So does mean Esteve receives the "Beaky" award or is that something else?

The Beaky Award was the trophy for the Supporters Groups Player of the Year, named in honour of Alan Beecroft. Sadly the club said no to us presenting it once things got back to normal after COVID.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 9:23 pm

The Beaky Award was the trophy for the Supporters Groups Player of the Year, named in honour of Alan Beecroft. Sadly the club said no to us presenting it once things got back to normal after COVID.

I thought I couldn't recall recent winners, but I do remember Nick Pope winning it and that it was a very handsome trophy too. Such a shame it's been sidelined and all rather unnecessary I would have thought.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 9:32 pm

I thought I couldn't recall recent winners, but I do remember Nick Pope winning it and that it was a very handsome trophy too. Such a shame it's been sidelined and all rather unnecessary I would have thought.

Alan's wife Georgina went to Gawthorpe during the pandemic to present it to Nick Pope and then the following year the winner was Chris Wood and Alan's son Simon went down to present it, but we never got the opportunity to present the Beaky at an event sadly, the pandemic coming around two months after he passed away.

They were, of course, two separate trophies with the winner keeping them, superbly created by John Ditchfield (Glasform) near Kirkham. They were expensive but very much worth it when you saw them.

It was still keeping a distance when the first one was presented.

24 direct goal contributions (18 league goals, 6 assists) and an average rating of 6.68.

If that doesn't make you laugh then I don't know what will.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 9:23 pm

The Beaky Award was the trophy for the Supporters Groups Player of the Year, named in honour of Alan Beecroft. Sadly the club said no to us presenting it once things got back to normal after COVID.

Ridiculous. What justifiable reason can they possible have for that

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 10:12 pm

24 direct goal contributions (18 league goals, 6 assists) and an average rating of 6.68.

If that doesn't make you laugh then I don't know what will.

Your average rating for him was 6.61

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Wed May 07, 2025 10:49 pm

Your average rating for him was 6.61

Four points:

1) Christ you're sad
2) I can also be a numpty (as evidenced and as we all can)
3) I didn't rate him in all of his appearances that he made this season (some of which he did score/contribute to goals) My median rating for JB is a 7 (a better/more accurate average I feel), and the '3' I rated him at Milwall away (obviously way ott, and daft of me) makes a pretty significant difference in the mean rating.
4) Christ I'm sad

DA has thrown a few from their horses here with his forensic research

I do like that it’s the main two “bumpers” as well

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Thu May 08, 2025 7:06 am

DA has thrown a few from their horses here with his forensic research

I do like that it’s the main two “bumpers” as well

It's fantastically petty

The replies got me thinking, did we have any own goals scored this season?

First goal against Cardiff at home was definitely an own goal

matttheclaret wrote: ↑

Thu May 08, 2025 2:16 pm

First goal against Cardiff at home was definitely an own goal

Oxford at home too

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Thu May 08, 2025 2:12 pm

The replies got me thinking, did we have any own goals scored this season?

Horvath (Cardiff)
Helik (Oxford)
McGuinness (Luton)

All at home.