• VAR next season, how do you feel?

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 4:45 pm**

I personally have no idea why any fan would want VAR involved in any game they are at. I can only see negatives.

As long as referees aren't corrupt, there is no need for it.

It just kills live football.

...change my mind please

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 4:52 pm**

Imagine it disallowing last nights goal in playoffs.

That's why the limbs will never be as good in prem, cant proper celebrate anymore. I would bin it off completely

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 4:52 pm**

We'd have won the Championship had VAR been available this/last season.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:00 pm**

I was all for it, thought it would be a good thing. It's the complete opposite. I'm delighted for the club that we got promoted and that should go without saying but as a fan though I really don't enjoy the PL one bit and VAR has made it worse. We've just left the best league around.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:01 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 5:00 pm
I was all for it, thought it would be a good thing. It's the complete opposite. I'm delighted for the club that we got promoted and that should go without saying but as a fan though I really don't enjoy the PL one bit and VAR has made it worse. We've just left the best league around.

See you then.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:27 pm**

Firstly nothing we say here will change the fact we will have VAR next season, how do you feel? I hate the heartache of celebrating a goal only to find out someones big toe was offside some 4 minutes after scoring. I hate the injustice of poor consistency from VAR officials when a "big" team get a penalty in their game for a shirt pull and in another game an "unpopular" team get a player booked for complaining his shirt was pulled and nothing was given.

I definitely preferred this season as when the ball went in the net a quick look at the linesman and we were safe to celebrate. VAR just increases the chances of mistakes being made and lord knows there have been plenty in the PL this season.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:36 pm**

Uneasy.
I remember thinking VAR the best thing since sliced bread.
Seeming at first to pick up on stuff the referees missed so readily , like being awarded our first penalty in three and half years.
Yet even VAR gets things wrong meaning it’s value has been diminished. I say scrap it.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:41 pm**

Goal line technology is brilliant
It's instant and players trust it.

But VAR is for people who don't go to games. It's a TV addition

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:46 pm**

Dreading it.

In its current format (there will be others - no way does this EVER get binned now) it’s an absolute cluster ****.

What they “sold” us isn’t what we have. It’s a mess, and every time they develop it, it’s ALWAYS to its detriment - and that’s a hard thing to achieve.

Happy to not be champions this year if having it meant we would’ve won the league…

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:47 pm**

I have watched 8 PL teams play at Leicester this season. The seats are behind the linesmen, about 40 yards from one of the goals, and almost at ground level. You get a great view of the back three or four of the team defending .Its a challenge for the linesman to keep up with these pros, but just about do-able. However when one team regains possession and counter attacks at lightning speed from deep in its own half I have often seen the linesman fail to keep up with the last defender , at times it can be be up to 10 yards behind. I can give you arguments for and against VAR but I think its here to stay in the PL , particularly with all the holding going on in the box, the diving, and the handball when both the ref and linesman are unsighted. The PL is too quick and there's too much money at stake to rely on individual interpretation and judgement. Many areas need to be improved but we have the basis of a fair resolution for both sides with the use of VAR

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:48 pm**

Resigned to not enjoying being at matches as much. Seems weird that we've deliberately made a sport far less enjoyable but here we are.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:49 pm**

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 5:41 pm

But VAR is for people who don't go to games. It's a TV addition

Most of the posters on this forum don't attend games and to a man hate it, I attend and I'm pro VAR.

Your post is typical of the medieval attitude to anything 'new' on this messageboard.

Edit: *new* anything different from the 60's

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:50 pm**

I was hopeful that it would get rid of the big club bias and would only be used sparingly unless there was a glaring error or the referee missed a key incident. I never expected the system to be used on nearly every incident and referees to stop making bog decisions because they would become so dependent on it. I also didn’t think it would take 5 minutes or more just to check an offside. If it was used properly it would have been a welcome addition but it’s not and sadly probably never will be.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 5:53 pm**

Foshiznik wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 5:50 pm
I was hopeful that it would get rid of the big club bias and would only be used sparingly unless there was a glaring error or the referee missed a key incident. I never expected the system to be used on nearly every incident and referees to stop making bog decisions because they would become so dependent on it. I also didn’t think it would take 5 minutes or more just to check an offside. If it was used properly it would have been a welcome addition but it’s not and sadly probably never will be.

Exaggerating every aspect, well done I hope your "likes' make your evening.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 6:08 pm**

VAR? Never heard of it!

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 6:08 pm**

VAR is ruining our national game and how it’s being allowed is beyond me. Well done to the EFL for resisting it.

The only flavour I would be supportive of VAR continuing is a very small number of VAR reviews being given to captains (1 per game, or one per half max) that are retained if a decision is overturned.

Other than that, no thanks.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 6:15 pm**

It was always going to be rubbish, they're trying to give objective decisions on something subjective matters. It's not even consistent in a game, never mind across games.

But regardless of that, however well you implement it it's always going to be after the fact and is going to take away from goal celebrations. Offsides they may (although they're failing miserably at the moment) be able to do instantaneously but unless they want to have matches refereed remotely then they're not going to manage that for other decisions.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 6:26 pm**

I hate VAR with a passion, it's totally ruined the game for the spectator, attending or otherwise. What happened to the 'clear and obvious error' mandate, offside by a toenail is 'clear and obvious', I think not. Unfortunately it's probably here to stay

Also the current handball rule is rubbish, how the hell can a defender maneuver as needed with his arms behind his back?

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 7:02 pm**

I hate VAR. it wrecks the experience for the attending fan in my opinion.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 7:09 pm**

Looking forward to this..
https://youtube.com/shorts/Qsgekf_SjlQ

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 7:22 pm**

I can’t stand VAR. You cannot cheer a goal anymore without the fear of VAR intervening. It’s killed the game.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 7:22 pm**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 5:47 pm
I have watched 8 PL teams play at Leicester this season. The seats are behind the linesmen, about 40 yards from one of the goals, and almost at ground level. You get a great view of the back three or four of the team defending .Its a challenge for the linesman to keep up with these pros, but just about do-able. However when one team regains possession and counter attacks at lightning speed from deep in its own half I have often seen the linesman fail to keep up with the last defender , at times it can be be up to 10 yards behind. I can give you arguments for and against VAR but I think its here to stay in the PL , particularly with all the holding going on in the box, the diving, and the handball when both the ref and linesman are unsighted. The PL is too quick and there's too much money at stake to rely on individual interpretation and judgement. Many areas need to be improved but we have the basis of a fair resolution for both sides with the use of VAR

If you've ever run the line, you know how challenging a real-time decision is, when the attacking play is anything other than a regular through ball.
Speed and positioning are very important then, naturally - but when you've got a goal mouth incident it can get really tricky.
For example (pretty much something I had to judge recently) an attacker shoots from the penalty spot, the ball hits the far post, strikes the knee of a defender and rebounds back to a player that was in a marginal offside position when the original shot was taken (but wasn't gaining an advantage through position when the original shot was taken)... offside - but the processing required to track each action is pretty difficult in real-time.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 8:09 pm**

Leon_C wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 7:22 pm
If you've ever run the line, you know how challenging a real-time decision is, when the attacking play is anything other than a regular through ball.
Speed and positioning are very important then, naturally - but when you've got a goal mouth incident it can get really tricky.
For example (pretty much something I had to judge recently) an attacker shoots from the penalty spot, the ball hits the far post, strikes the knee of a defender and rebounds back to a player that was in a marginal offside position when the original shot was taken (but wasn't gaining an advantage through position when the original shot was taken)... offside - but the processing required to track each action is pretty difficult in real-time.

Yes.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 8:18 pm**

equinox wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 5:49 pm
Most of the posters on this forum don't attend games and to a man hate it, I attend and I'm pro VAR.

Your post is typical of the medieval attitude to anything 'new' on this messageboard.

Edit: *new* anything different from the 60's

I would think fans that watch at home would like VAR more than one in the ground.
At home you are talked through every decision and have 6 replays to form your own view.
At the ground you are kept in the dark for 2/3 minutes and kept in the dark. Not being able to celebrate any goals properly.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 8:20 pm**

One thing I’d like to do away with is calling the ref to a screen to effectively rubber stamp the VAR review. It wastes even more time and it’s rare that the ref maintains their onfield decision.

Generally I’m against VAR in its current form. It’s too disruptive. You rarely get the kind of euphoria seen at Sunderland last night, because everyone is too worried about a VAR message popping up on the big screen.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 8:25 pm**

The biggest farce is when the on-field ref gives a yellow card, VAR says to check it and it gets upgraded to a red card, only for a panel to overturn it three days later.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 9:06 pm**

It’s damaged the game in my opinion. I could never understand how it could possibly work with subjective decisions and it doesn’t.

It won’t go away sadly but it would be good news for football if it did.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 9:32 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 9:06 pm
It’s damaged the game in my opinion. I could never understand how it could possibly work with subjective decisions and it doesn’t.

It won’t go away sadly but it would be good news for football if it did.

Why do you encourage this blinkered bilge?

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 9:35 pm**

distortiondave wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 8:25 pm
The biggest farce is when the on-field ref gives a yellow card, VAR says to check it and it gets upgraded to a red card, only for a panel to overturn it three days later.

How many times has this happened?

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 9:42 pm**

Dunno. More than once but less than a hundred.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 9:57 pm**

equinox wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 9:32 pm
Why do you encourage this blinkered bilge?

I didn’t encourage you at all

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 10:16 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 9:06 pm
It’s damaged the game in my opinion. I could never understand how it could possibly work with subjective decisions and it doesn’t.

It won’t go away sadly but it would be good news for football if it did.

I totally agree.
I blame TV and its continuous criticsm of referees.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 10:20 pm**

Was never in favour of it, and am certainly not in favour of it now. Football is a sport. It's about excitement and spontaneity. VAR kills that in so many ways.

In theory we get more technically 'correct' decisions, but at what cost? And for what purpose?

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 11:11 pm**

It’s the death of football. We all have a breaking point and a decade of that and we will give up.

Imagine scoring a goal and the 4 officials pull a little table into the middle, sit around it, and spend 3 minutes deciding if it should be allowed. That is what it feels like. Celebrating is a thing of the past.

Whoever dreamt it up should be ashamed. It’s really, really, really bad. Even worse than blatant cheating - at least that can be spotted.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 11:16 pm**

I’m okay with it. In one game, earlier in the season, an opponent handled the ball THREE times in the penalty area and got away with it every time. It was the same player and he looked worried on every occasion. In another game THREE players handled the ball incredibly at the same time and all of them got away with it. So many refereeing decisions have been that bad. We should have had umpteen penalties when we had hardly any.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 11:31 pm**

It is what it is. It's certainly not the perfect solution by any means but it's mindful to remember for years & years we all used to complain previously & never happy & now we have this replacing the old ways & still aren't happy. My personal opinion is whatever system is implemented it'll never please everybody people will always complain so just accept things the way their are & appreciate mistakes happen & sometimes that will be beneficial & other times not.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 11:31 pm**

Not looking forward to VAR at all.
It's one of the worst things to have happened to top level football.
I cannot think of one good thing about it, even when they get decisions right.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2025 11:48 pm**

If VAR was used for what we were told it would be used for then it’d be fine. Clear and obvious errors, the ‘how has the ref/linesman not seen that’ moments. But it’s used far too often, it seems officials use it to actively look for reasons to disallow goals.

It is here to stay, but they need to have a serious look at how it is used.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 12:00 am**

without VAR the game prospered for a hundred years, cups and leagues were won or lost without it.
Now its here, its as a hideously failed experiment. Absolutely kills stone dead any spontaneity, and relies on technology stretching the crazy rules to breaking point. scrap it ASAP.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 12:10 am**

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑
Thu May 15, 2025 12:00 am
without VAR the game prospered for a hundred years, cups and leagues were won or lost without it.
Now its here, its as a hideously failed experiment. Absolutely kills stone dead any spontaneity, and relies on technology stretching the crazy rules to breaking point. scrap it ASAP.

The game still prospers now with it commercially although some elements take away the excitement. If VAR got scrapped people would still complain about all the perceived incorrect decisions. Accepting human error & taking defeat on the chin & on occasions enjoying winning would go a long way. The acceptance that humans make mistakes cannot be understated.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 6:43 am**

Could it be that Billionaire owners have demanded some way to manipulate results hence VAR, the time taken to review decisions while they re pixelate someone’s leg & the new offside technology that resembles artist dummies rather than an actual football player.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 7:20 am**

Fact is with VAR you can’t celebrate a goal in the PL the same as you’re always looking for check etc ….

But ….

Like it or not it it is there to get things right and with it more right decisions are being made…

It deffo needs improvement but anyone thinking they are corrupt against Burnley etc … need to give their head a wobble

Opposition fans last season were saying that the championship was corrupt against them cause they want us back in the Prem when they felt aggrieved for getting beat

Please ….

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 7:35 am**

firstclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 15, 2025 6:43 am
Could it be that Billionaire owners have demanded some way to manipulate results hence VAR, the time taken to review decisions while they re pixelate someone’s leg & the new offside technology that resembles artist dummies rather than an actual football player.

Almost right.
Billionaire owners insisted upon a system that holds the game up to allow advertising slots on TV.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 9:00 am**

VAR as implemented by the EPL is putrid. The nose/toe/bum an inch further forward thing, is against the spirit of the game.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 9:07 am**

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 15, 2025 12:10 am
The game still prospers now with it commercially although some elements take away the excitement. If VAR got scrapped people would still complain about all the perceived incorrect decisions. Accepting human error & taking defeat on the chin & on occasions enjoying winning would go a long way. The acceptance that humans make mistakes cannot be understated.

People were much more willing to accept humans make mistakes when they’ve seen something once in real time. It’s much harder to accept those mistakes when an incident has been looked at several times, from several angles in slow motion.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 9:41 am**

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Thu May 15, 2025 9:00 am
VAR as implemented by the EPL is putrid. The nose/toe/bum an inch further forward thing, is against the spirit of the game.

Thats the rule though ... not VAR

I think Wenger has something with it needing to be daylight between the players in question.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 9:47 am**

vinrogue wrote: ↑
Wed May 14, 2025 5:27 pm
Firstly nothing we say here will change the fact we will have VAR next season, how do you feel? I hate the heartache of celebrating a goal only to find out someones big toe was offside some 4 minutes after scoring. I hate the injustice of poor consistency from VAR officials when a "big" team get a penalty in their game for a shirt pull and in another game an "unpopular" team get a player booked for complaining his shirt was pulled and nothing was given.

I definitely preferred this season as when the ball went in the net a quick look at the linesman and we were safe to celebrate. VAR just increases the chances of mistakes being made and lord knows there have been plenty in the PL this season.

Exactly how I feel, pretty much word for word

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 9:53 am**

I think its fair to say Equinox is a big VAR fan

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 11:04 am**

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Thu May 15, 2025 9:53 am
I think its fair to say Equinox is a big VAR fan

Does Equinox go by the name Howard by any chance?

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2025 11:23 am**

Var is good if it's used right but unfortunately it seems to favour the top teams, i watched a clip other day Warnock going on about a definite penalty at Old Trafford and when game was finished and he went to Fergies office and went on about it Sir Alex just said sit down and have a glass of wine and then Sir Alex smiled at him and said it's Old Trafford Neil...

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