Sunderland have agreed a fee of €33m plus €5m add ons and a 15% sell on

insane price

Pants down.

He looked really quite decent sometimes but on many occasions he looked very average. Very large fee for him.

Won’t complain about Sunderland losing one of their better players though.

That will give Birmingham more to spend as I guess they will have a sell on of at least 10%.

He has a lot of the required attributes to be a top level player, but I can’t say he particularly impressed me last season.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:22 pm

He has a lot of the required attributes to be a top level player, but I can’t say he particularly impressed me last season.

Personally thought he was a standout player at the Turf. Dominated our midfield for large parts.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:26 pm

Personally thought he was a standout player at the Turf. Dominated our midfield for large parts.

I agree. Looked very assured and physically very mature for 18/19. Just under £28 million is a lot, and a risk, but I wouldn't go as far as saying its a pants down situation. If I had to guess, I'd say they'll get a good chunk more when he heads out the door from Dortmund.

Borussia Dortmund usually have a good idea of what they are doing in the transfer market

I think he's a very good player and the fee is about right in today's game. As someone says it certainly makes Sunderland weaker.

Spoken to a couple of Sunderland fans who have both said he was very impressive in the first half of the season but offered precious little in the second half.

Plenty of potential in the lad.

He needs to have more aggression in his game and work on his physicality. As has already been mentioned, he faded in the 2nd half of the season.

He's a big physical unit, what the modern game appears to require.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:26 pm

Personally thought he was a standout player at the Turf. Dominated our midfield for large parts.

Him and Dan Neil were really good in the middle of the park.- even more so given their ages

Dan Neil has been Sunderlands stand out performer for a few seasons. I think he might be the next big move.But it has set the bar for Championship players.Personally I think it's a massive gamble but good luck to Sunderland it was a great deal for them

Chance of the Mackems staying up has gone from zero to whatever is below zero.

Massive money for him , now not sure myself but hey football what do I know .

Trafford and Esteve are definitely worth £50m then.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:53 pm

Trafford and Esteve are definitely worth £50m then.

I suspect the market will prove otherwise. £50m or €59 (almost double the Bellingham fee), unless you meant that for both.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:53 pm

Trafford and Esteve are definitely worth £50m then.

What's the logic behind this?

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:32 pm

Chance of the Mackems staying up has gone from zero to whatever is below zero.

Why? Out of curiosity, will you be saying this if/when we lose CJ, Brownhill, Trafford and/or Esteve?

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:57 pm

What's the logic behind this?

I think they’re both twice the player(s) he is.

So £64m actually.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:03 pm

I think they’re both twice the player(s) he is.

So £64m actually.

Bonkers.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:48 pm

Spoken to a couple of Sunderland fans who have both said he was very impressive in the first half of the season but offered precious little in the second half.

To be fair, that’s what you get with young players - inconsistency. So he may come good, but I’ve never seen him have a good game.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:03 pm

I think they’re both twice the player(s) he is.

So £64m actually.

This is pie in the sky stuff, I'm afraid

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:05 pm

Bonkers.

Okay, what’s he done to justify being worth £32m?

Even Sunderland fans are delighted with this deal. They’ve had Dortmund’s pants down.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:07 pm

Okay, what’s he done to justify being worth £32m?

Even Sunderland fans are delighted with this deal. They’ve had Dortmund’s pants down.

I imagine the reason Dortmund think he's worth €33m is more to do with what they think he's going to do, rather than what he's done.

I would also be happy as a Sunderland fan because €33m is probably more useful to them achieving their objective next season than Jobe Bellingham.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:07 pm

Okay, what’s he done to justify being worth £32m?

Even Sunderland fans are delighted with this deal. They’ve had Dortmund’s pants down.

£27.8m upfront. Been one the the Championship’s best midfielders at the age of 19. Playing well with the England u21s. Has the physical profile for a high ceiling (which partly explains the fee, just like it does for most young players with potential eg Trafford when he signed for us).

A top young talent who’s vastly underrated because his brother is a superstar.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:05 pm

This is pie in the sky stuff, I'm afraid

We’ll see. He might kick on. I think it’s telling he’s gone to the Bundesliga instead of playing in the premier league. Dortmund are a good club in a lesser league, so with a dominant team he might do well like Sancho did, but he’ll need get a lot better to become premier league standard in my view.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:10 pm

I imagine the reason Dortmund think he's worth €33m is more to do with what they think he's going to do, rather than what he's done.

I would also be happy as a Sunderland fan because €33m is probably more useful to them achieving their objective next season than Jobe Bellingham.

Completely agree on your last paragraph. Them having an extra £30-odd million to spend after signing Le Fee for an inflated price is bad news for us, assuming they spend it wisely.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:12 pm

£27.8m upfront. Been one the the Championship’s best midfielders at the age of 19. Playing well with the England u21s. Has the physical profile for a high ceiling (which partly explains the fee, just like it does for most young players with potential eg Trafford when he signed for us).

Do you mean paid in one go, or guaranteed fee?

I’m not convinced he’s been one of the best Championship midfielders. Whenever I’ve watched Sunderland I barely noticed he was on the pitch, including the playoffs.

I agree about the physicality element of your post, but if we’d spent £20m on him I’d have been disappointed. Big old risk by Dortmund but maybe one they can afford to take.

He is good but not sure he is worth that fee. Possibly some thoughts from Dortmund that he will be as good as his brother.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:20 pm

We’ll see. He might kick on. I think it’s telling he’s gone to the Bundesliga instead of playing in the premier league. Dortmund are a good club in a lesser league, so with a dominant team he might do well like Sancho did, but he’ll need get a lot better to become premier league standard in my view.

He probably recognises that playing in the Bundesliga has served so many players well before moving on to even bigger things, including his own brother. So I'm not sure why you think it's telling. I think it's good a young English player is prepared to go abroad to develop.

That money will allow them to buy a very good PL experienced player who can help the lads around him. Good business for me.

Ridiculous fee. I can’t help thinking that the Dortmund fans will be bitterly disappointed after the success of his brother.

Having said that he’s only a teenager and played well in both of the games vs the clarets this season, absolutely nullified Josh brownhill.

He's got potential, but they've paid the Bellingham tax. £15m if his last name was Smith.

That being said, Dortmund don't make too many mistakes when it comes to buying young players.

Good signing for Dortmund. Will bump this thread in 2 years time.

Talk when all the hype started about Jude was that they believed Jobe was going to be the better player of the two.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:47 pm

That money will allow them to buy a very good PL experienced player who can help the lads around him. Good business for me.

The only very good PL experienced players who are available to newly promoted clubs, are PL players that none of the other 17 clubs want. If Mr. J. Smith is wanted by Burnley and by (say) West Ham, then the only way he comes to Burnley is if we pay significantly more than his market worth.

Same for Sunderland and Sheffield. Players who are in demand, won't come.

Commy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 09, 2025 12:30 am

Talk when all the hype started about Jude was that they believed Jobe was going to be the better player of the two.

People almost always say that about footballing siblings.

Isn’t there a third Ramsey brother?

The lad Gray at Leeds?

They’re always going to be even better than the brother who has already done well.

A real head shaker of a call.
The lads ok, but not a patch on his brother, and definitely not worth that fee.
Sunderland must be dancing with delight, good luck to them.

Reminds me of his brother - albeit a few levels below - in that he looks awesome at times when he’s on the ball. But then, as with Jude for England last summer - 30 minutes will pass by and you haven’t noticed him at all.

As for value, there’s no guidebook defining prices for each player. All you have to do to be worth £30m is have just one club willing to pay it.

Sunderland have done well with recent sales Clarke last year whose been anonymous at Ipswich and now getting a high fee for a player some pundits speak highly of.Jobe will have lot to live up to and perform far more consistently than he did for Sunderland.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:43 pm

He probably recognises that playing in the Bundesliga has served so many players well before moving on to even bigger things, including his own brother. So I'm not sure why you think it's telling. I think it's good a young English player is prepared to go abroad to develop.

I think what’s telling about it is that he has decided a move to the Bundesliga is better for his development than a season in the Premier League, which I would say is a much tougher division.

There’s a few factors there, not least that he’s going to an established and competitive team in Germany. Maybe he’d have stayed in the Premier League if he’d had an offer from an established club. Perhaps he also thinks that being out of the English media spotlight will be good for his development, which is hard to disagree about.

But overall, he’s won a promotion to the Premier League with Sunderland and then left to a division I’d say is somewhere inbetween, instead giving it a shot. I think that says he knows he’s not ready and he needs a stepping stone, which is actually a very smart and demonstrates real self awareness. I think that’s good, I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it. Also commented that Sancho thrived there, so potentially a very good move. Like Sancho though, there’s no guarantees doing well in Germany will translate back to the English game. Maybe he is looking to make a career in Europe like his brother, and nothing wrong with that either.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:23 am

I think what’s telling about it is that he has decided a move to the Bundesliga is better for his development than a season in the Premier League, which I would say is a much tougher division.

There’s a few factors there, not least that he’s going to an established and competitive team in Germany. Maybe he’d have stayed in the Premier League if he’d had an offer from an established club. Perhaps he also thinks that being out of the English media spotlight will be good for his development, which is hard to disagree about.

But overall, he’s won a promotion to the Premier League with Sunderland and then left to a division I’d say is somewhere inbetween, instead giving it a shot. I think that says he knows he’s not ready and he needs a stepping stone, which is actually a very smart and demonstrates real self awareness. I think that’s good, I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it. Also commented that Sancho thrived there, so potentially a very good move. Like Sancho though, there’s no guarantees doing well in Germany will translate back to the English game. Maybe he is looking to make a career in Europe like his brother, and nothing wrong with that either.

None of this means that Trafford and Esteve are worth twice as much as him.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:23 am

I think what’s telling about it is that he has decided a move to the Bundesliga is better for his development than a season in the Premier League, which I would say is a much tougher division.

There’s a few factors there, not least that he’s going to an established and competitive team in Germany. Maybe he’d have stayed in the Premier League if he’d had an offer from an established club. Perhaps he also thinks that being out of the English media spotlight will be good for his development, which is hard to disagree about.

But overall, he’s won a promotion to the Premier League with Sunderland and then left to a division I’d say is somewhere inbetween, instead giving it a shot. I think that says he knows he’s not ready and he needs a stepping stone, which is actually a very smart and demonstrates real self awareness. I think that’s good, I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it. Also commented that Sancho thrived there, so potentially a very good move. Like Sancho though, there’s no guarantees doing well in Germany will translate back to the English game. Maybe he is looking to make a career in Europe like his brother, and nothing wrong with that either.

At the end of the day he’s moved from Sunderland to Borussia Dortmund, relegation battle to Champions League football, which is a massive step up. And he’s following a route that has proven successful for a number of young, emerging, players. Not least his own brother.

You’re right, there are no guarantees in life, but he’d be daft to turn that down.

Are people really criticising a 19 year old, playing in a team of other young lads, for being inconsistent?

taio wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:28 am

None of this means that Trafford and Esteve are worth twice as much as him.

No it doesn’t. I was responding to a completely different question.

If you’d asked me why I thought they were worth double, I’d have said because I think they’re twice as good as him or certainly are at the moment. He’s been very average this season while they have been outstanding.

Walton wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 09, 2025 10:01 am

Are people really criticising a 19 year old, playing in a team of other young lads, for being inconsistent?

If you’re referring to me, I’m not at all. My posts above note that all young players are inconsistent.

Although our two prized assets, Esteve and Traff, have been very consistent all season and they’re still very young themselves (albeit a couple of years older than Bellingham).